Warning: Fake Aw Batteries

devdev · 16/4/14

Now that I think carefully about this, the claimed rating on my 2000mah fAW (fake AW) doesn't last nearly as long as the 1600mah rated Efest 18650 V2 that I use.

I wonder if the fAWs are actually low Mah 18650s? This cell seems more like a 1000mah compared to my 1600mah ones.

@johan what sort of rig would one need to monitor Mah output before there was significant enough voltage drop to confirm that the useable range of Mah had been exhausted? (If that makes sense?)

I remember back in the day when I used to race RC cars I had quite a fancy charger that had huge heat sinks on it to draw the current out of the cells and assess Mah rating. It's probably the kind of thing that (in my imagination) you would already have on your bench

johan · 16/4/14

devdev said:
Now that I think carefully about this, the claimed rating on my 2000mah fAW (fake AW) doesn't last nearly as long as the 1600mah rated Efest 18650 V2 that I use.

I wonder if the fAWs are actually low Mah 18650s? This cell seems more like a 1000mah compared to my 1600mah ones.

@johan what sort of rig would one need to monitor Mah output before there was significant enough voltage drop to confirm that the useable range of Mah had been exhausted? (If that makes sense?)

I remember back in the day when I used to race RC cars I had quite a fancy charger that had huge heat sinks on it to draw the current out of the cells and assess Mah rating. It's probably the kind of thing that (in my imagination) you would already have on your bench

The most accurate is to measure the internal resistance and weigh that up to the data sheet. The mAh measurement is done over set time with a variable electronic load and set voltage detector to cut out the load. I'm seriously thinking of measuring my fAW's.

vaalboy · 16/4/14

I must say that my fAW's 18490/18500's (1100's) generally last me a good 5 hours of heavy vaping and don't heat up. I have gone as low as 0.6 ohms with no issues, but will definitely not go lower until I have authentic AW's just in case.

devdev · 16/4/14

johan said:
The most accurate is to measure the internal resistance and weigh that up to the data sheet. The mAh measurement is done over set time with a variable electronic load and set voltage detector to cut out the load. I'm seriously thinking of measuring my fAW's.

Ok well that would answer the issue regarding capacity. There is unfortunately no way to determine amp draw though, so the fAW in my possession is destined for 1.2 ohms builds from now on. We are assuming that these fAWs are even IMR. For all we know they could be ICR cells, in which case there is likely no protection, and definitely are not safe for use in mech mods.

This has gotta suck for folks with tons of these cells. @johan if you feel so inclined I would love to see test results of your analysis

Silver · 16/4/14

The more we know about this the better for us all.

johan · 16/4/14

Will post results here, when I've done some tests.

BhavZ · 16/4/14

I think for now anyone who is in possession of the fAW batteries to rather use them in a digimod if they have one and keep the other batteries strictly for mech mods.

Silver · 16/4/14

Stroodlepuff said:
I am still waiting on a response from my supplier regarding the AW's however looking at the above I am sure they are not authentic and I will probably get the same response as CVS. I can however confirm that the Efests which we are bringing in are directly from Efest and we will not be buying anymore AW's for the time being until we can confirm.

Any news yet @Stroodlepuff ?

Sharrivz · 16/4/14

Nothing yet. Our internet is down as we got hit by lightning this afternoon. Will get a new router in the morning and let you knkw

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Kriban · 16/4/14

I don't comprise on safety when it comes to batteries that is I am willing to spend more on the best. Vendors need to research their suppliers before offering it to us.

Silver · 17/4/14

Couldnt agree with you more @Kriban - well said.

Doesnt help us vapers to spend a lot of time studying safety information as we have done - only to discover that our batteries are potentially not safe.

I for one have researched battery safety very carefully and have taken note of all the postings regarding different chemistries and battery model as well as how low one can go in ohms etc. i then carefully selected the AW IMR batts I got - specifically so I had the best for my application. I did not think I need to double check the vendors' suppliers as well or even doubt whether they were original.

johan · 17/4/14

My biggest concern is injuries to the unsuspected user, damage to equipment and of course the legal implications in such an unfortunate event, which I hope will never happen.

Silver · 17/4/14

@Stroodlepuff - we are still waiting to hear the feedback from your supplier on these AW IMR batts.

Gizmo · 17/4/14

My supplier claims they original, however you know how Chinese suppliers are and on looking at this thread they must be fake. Anyway, We will be doing a fire-sale on the remaining left and will focus on only Efest batteries as they are on a really high level for the future here on out.

Gizmo · 17/4/14

All Efests are purchased directly from Efest.

Silver · 17/4/14

Thanks for the feedback and update @Gizmo

devdev · 18/4/14

@Gizmo what is a fire-sale?

Rob Fisher · 19/4/14

devdev said:
@Gizmo what is a fire-sale?

It's when stock is reduced in a big way to clear out all the stock real fast!

BhavZ · 19/4/14

devdev said:
@Gizmo what is a fire-sale?

Were you thinking of the IT version of a fire-sale? Like in the latest Die Hard movie?

Gizmo · 19/4/14

Aws are R80 while stock lasts

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devdev · 19/4/14

Considering this thread is about dodgy batteries, 'fire' is definitely a term that could be taken way out of context

crack2483 · 19/4/14

Lol. Im aware of the need for safety but has anyone had any issues with these fakes? Maybe they high quality knock offs.

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Andre · 19/4/14

crack2483 said:
Lol. Im aware of the need for safety but has anyone had any issues with these fakes? Maybe they high quality knock offs.

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The issue is probably more that we had fakes sold to us as originals, which could be fraud if the vendors down the line were aware of the fact.

johan · 19/4/14

My main concern is still as per my previous post: "My biggest concern is injuries to the unsuspected user, damage to equipment and of course the legal implications in such an unfortunate event, which I hope will never happen".

The "new" vaper reads on the web that AW's are thee battery brand to use in sub-ohm applications, buy them not knowing the difference between original and fakes and .......?

Alex · 19/4/14

Well I feel pretty let down by this situation, the potential for something disastrous occurring is unacceptable as far as I'm concerned, I would never compromise on safety just to save a few bucks. That's crazy. I feel that the vendors need to accept responsibility for this and exchange any fake batteries for the correct ones. That in my opinion, is the right thing to do in terms of regaining my trust.

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