Flavour MTL RTA's where are they?

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Good day fellow vapers.

I have been facing a dilemma for a while now and can no longer carry this struggle on my own and need help.

I enjoy my MTL vape during the day and at night bring out the drippers and dual coil RTA. I get great flavour from my entire night arsenal but of late I have been battaling with my MTL as I don't get nearly as close to flavour as I do with all the new dual RTA and single/dual coil drippers.

So I don't know if it's just me that doesn't have the right atty for flavour and coil when using MTL or am I just expecting too much from a restricted airflow point of view.

I hope someone can help and just say ok get this and do this and sorted or yes MTL is muted compared to DL so live with it or move on.

Atties (RTA) i have tried for MTL starting from top being my favourite to my least favourite.

Skyline
Sxk Doggystyle 2k16
Merlin Mini
Berserker 24mm
Hussar Single coil

My preferred wired for MTL is 26G SS.
And I vape 6 to 9mg nic and 20 to 25mg nic salts

My next step is trying out Dvarw MTL but I don't know if I'm just wasting my time.

Thanks
C4D
 
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I have the same problem of late. Since my return to vaping and the Zeus RTA I'm finding that even my Cyclones and OL16's suck. Watching with interest
 
I have no advice but you are not alone, i actually benched my mtl arsenal due to this a few days ago,

I used mostly plain kanthal around 8 wrap at about 0.9 ohm and vaped tobacco/red pill/twenty two by haywire and was happy until last week.

Tried SS(which did make a difference), fused/aliens etc but just couldn’t get to my happy place.


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jm10 said:
I have no advice but you are not alone, i actually benched my mtl arsenal due to this a few days ago,

I used mostly plain kanthal around 8 wrap at about 0.9 ohm and vaped tobacco/red pill/twenty two by haywire and was happy until last week.

Tried SS(which did make a difference), fused/aliens etc but just couldn’t get to my happy place.


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I feel a sense of satisfaction with my MTL with the throat hit but that's about it. Flavour is average and I find myself stuck between two places where I have to either fulfill my throat hit craving and loose flavour or get my flavour fix and loose my throat hit.

Maybe it's time I start sub ohming 9mg nic at 45watts :-D
 
Clouds4Days said:
I feel a sense of satisfaction with my MTL with the throat hit but that's about it. Flavour is average and I find myself stuck between two places where I have to either fulfill my throat hit craving and loose flavour or get my flavour fix and loose my throat hit.

Maybe it's time I start sub ohming 9mg nic at 45watts :-D
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Doing that with 6mg to good effect, lol
 
Viper_SA said:
Doing that with 6mg to good effect, lol
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I've also Vaped at 45w with 6mg it's not too bad. But I get a slight harshness than a throat hit but not at all bad.

I'm waiting eagerly on some of the MTL boffins to hopefully provide a solution.
 
The tanks isn't the problem. Juicemakers dont make juices specifically for mtl devices. Exceot nic salts. But those juices is also very dull. Mix your own juice. I started a thread last night eith mtl recipes. The % of flavors is much higher than normal recipes. That way u get great flavor
 
Clouds4Days said:
I've also Vaped at 45w with 6mg it's not too bad. But I get a slight harshness than a throat hit but not at all bad.

I'm waiting eagerly on some of the MTL boffins to hopefully provide a solution.
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Hi @Clouds4Days
I have tried many MTL setups. I do both MTL and direct lung
I understand your frustration fully.

What I have found is that the flavour on a MTL setup is different. Let me introduce two concepts here. "Flavour volume" and "flavour accuracy". I find that on most of the airier direct lung devices I get oodles of flavour volume and good flavour accuracy. On most MTL setups I get far less flavour volume (with far less vapour) and the flavour accuracy varies. On the MTL RTAs I've tried, the flavour accuracy is good to ok. Siren2 was good. But some of the others are just ok.

But for me the best MTL vape by quite a margin still is the RM2 on the REO. Flavour volume is decent. But the flavour accuracy is impeccable. It's direct and in your mouth, rich and dense - not "echoey" like I find it on some of the RTAs. I think one of the reasons for me not liking the MTL RTAs as much is that the airflow on some of them is still a touch too loose. I find the flavour improves dramatically when the airflow becomes tight. That's one of the reasons I think the RM2 is so good for me - with its stock tight airhole. Another one of course is that its not really a fair comparison - being a BF dripper - so the action is taking place so close to your mouth.

I would say perhaps give one of the good BF MTL RDAs a try. You've tried some good tanks so maybe try a BF RDA now.

There are other reasons that can contribute to this as well. The coil and the juice. I have found for me I generally like thinner gauge wires which have faster ramp times and lead to a crisper vape. That's just my preference. Lots of treble. I dont like a "boomy" MTL vape. As for the juice, I generally prefer it closer to 50/50 and with high nic - and if fruity, with lots of menthol.
 
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I have been a MTL vaper forever (almost 5 years now). Quite an airy MTL, but MTL nonetheless. Draw into mouth cavity, then into lungs. Have tried DL, but found that I lost a lot of the flavour. Reasoned to myself that most of one's taste receptors are in and around the mouth area, which is bypassed to a large extent with a DL inhale. I am also convinced that, from a health perspective, MTL with higher nicotine will do the least harm. Free base nicotine for me only. My body and taste buds immediately rejected nic salts nicotine.

Mostly squonking (regulated and unregulated) for me with OL16s and Chalice IVs. Also daily use of some BBs with various atties inside. For the last few years I have been coiling with basic Kanthal Clapton wire (26g core with two 32g wraps). Here and there with 26/27/28g plain round Kanthal. All with 2.5mm IDs, all single coil. My favourite RTA for MTL is the Dvarw MTL. Also good are the Rose V3, GEM and the Skyline. Occasional use of other atties like the Siren 2 and OBS Engine Nano.

Most of my juices are DIY at 40PG/60VG. I have no need to up the flavour percentage for MTL, to the contrary.

That is my story, which is quite the opposite to your experience at this time. Maybe you are correct in that you should stick to what works for you, which is DL vaping. Keep a MTL setup for those stealth times. All the best in your quest.
 
Just my personal observation: (1) 70% VG / 30% PG juices are not meant to give you a flavour burst in MTL RDA's/RTA's. Juices with a composition between 50/50 to maximum 60/40 VG/PG ratio is the best for MTL RDA's/RTA's regarding flavour (as well as throat hit). (2) Simple spaced coils with maximum 2.5mm ID work best for MTL RDA's/RTA's.
 
Thank you everyone so far for your response @bjorncoetsee , @Silver , @johan and @Andre .

So I think my next step is trying out some 50/50 ratio juice.
I did try this the other day but I think I need to try a different juice without menthol because the 50/50 I tried all I could taste was the menthol in the juice profile.
 
Clouds4Days said:
Thank you everyone so far for your response @bjorncoetsee , @Silver , @johan and @Andre .

So I think my next step is trying out some 50/50 ratio juice.
I did try this the other day but I think I need to try a different juice without menthol because the 50/50 I tried all I could taste was the menthol in the juice profile.
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Yeah try that If u dont mix yourself buy a bottle of twisp, they vey expensive, but u will get lots of flavor
 
bjorncoetsee said:
Yeah try that If u dont mix yourself buy a bottle of twisp, they vey expensive, but u will get lots of flavor
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I retired from mixing as it was costing me more to mix then to buy ready made (commercial) juice, first rule ×5 becomes costly :-D
 
bjorncoetsee said:
Mix the one shots up at double the recommended %
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I mixed up Rodeo Hardshots at recommended 13% and the taste if there in the Cyclone. Mixing that at 26% would simply be overkill IMHO
 
Flavour is not my big thing with vaping. I can barely relate to the "flavour chasers" as most flavors, except for 2 particular juices make me feel ill after a few days. For me, vaping is about enjoying a smooth, effective and economic nicotine delivery system, depending on my mood. Also, it's about having fun, hence the wide variety I have delved into. I try almost everything.

Personally MTL is for when you want to get a strong, quick nic hit while emulating a cigarette or cigar tight draw. Nic Salts are absorbed quicker into the bloodstream than free base nicotine found in sub ohm E-Liquid. MTL is also excellent for stealth or quiet vaping, especially around other people.

I find that flavour differs according to so many facets. Cotton, coils, atty structure, nicotine levels, PG levels etc. Also your body /chemical biorhythms and substance interaction plays a role. For example the same flavoured juice will differ after a meal or alcohol consumption. Have you ever wondered why a chilli tastes great on one day, but overbearing on another?

Some days a flavour tastes great, other days the same flavour tastes awful.

MTL is no exception.







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Great thread bru watching with interest as I also delved into MTL recently to see what the fuss is about. I'm waiting for my Berseker RDA to try as my RM2s one posts thread stripped :( but agree with uncle @Silver best MTL experience in my limited time with it was the RM2 just my 2c

Will be trying out a few others myself

Berseker Mini incoming
Merlin Mini currently quite good
Siren v2
Ammit RDA MTL
Strike RDA 18mm clone (closests to RM2)
OL16
Coppervape Spica
Dvarw MTL
 
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Daniel said:
Great thread bru watching with interest as I also delved into MTL recently to see what the fuss is about. I'm waiting for my Berseker RDA to try as my RM2s one posts thread stripped :( but agree with uncle @Silver best MTL experience in my limited time with it was the RM2 just my 2c

Will be trying out a few others myself

Berseker Mini incoming
Merlin Mini currently quite good
Siren v2
Ammit RDA MTL
Strike RDA 18mm clone (closests to RM2)
OL16
Coppervape Sicro
Dvarw MTL
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Please let us know your thoughts on those MTL options when you get a chance @Daniel
 
I have been delving into MTL and restricted lung hit more and more since about Feb and must be honest that I am finding it very interesting and flavourful. I am lucky to say that I have not been experiencing most of the things listed above.

I am obviously still experimenting with this and I have the following RTAs assisting me in my journey,
Siren 2
Skyline clones
Hussar clones
Fumytech Rose - new
Vapefly Galaxies - new
Nautilus Mini for e-pipe - new
3CVape Savour rta - this one is way too tight for me and will be joining the classifieds soon. Great rta, but not for my style

On the RDA front
Hellvape Aqueitas - new for the Furyan
Ammit MTL - 1 month
Berserker MTL - 1 month
Ol 16- one month

I will try to give feedback as and where I can regarding what I am using, as well as reasons why I may be getting rid of it. Let the good times roll and many happy clouds to all.
 
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daniel craig said:
Do you mean the Savour?
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The Aqueitas is the new one by reviewer AmbitiouzVaper , vertical coil RDA methinks .... interesting thought vertical coil for MTL hmmmmm ....
From recent reviews seems the Drop SOLO is also an option and you can close the airflow right down .....
 
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