Is it me? Or is there more anti vaping propaganda out there?
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Warming up for the new bill. The tobacco industry is all in arms bud!
I smked my first cigarette at the age of 14, bought my first packet at 17 and smoked 1 packet a day for more than 20 years with a few peaks of 2 to 3 packs a day! How would you want these guys to let go customers like me?
I smoked throughout my years at the school of medicine and more years as a practitioner. I was never able to quit even for 1 day and was carrying the shame of smelling the stinkies while I was witnessing the ravages of tobacco on other people’s health and worse, I was preaching that the cigarettes kill and had to sermon COPD patients because they were still smoking while on home oxygen (that’s an explosion waiting to happen by the way!). Now I’m trying to convert them to vaping
I smoked throughout my years at the school of medicine and more years as a practitioner. I was never able to quit even for 1 day and was carrying the shame of smelling the stinkies while I was witnessing the ravages of tobacco on other people’s health and worse, I was preaching that the cigarettes kill and had to sermon COPD patients because they were still smoking while on home oxygen (that’s an explosion waiting to happen by the way!). Now I’m trying to convert them to vaping
Thats fantastic @Grand Guru !
Could be warming up for the bill as @Grand Guru says
But what I have also noticed is that whenever some anti-vaping research comes out - there is a wave of newsflow in the media - and the anti-vaping articles flow strong. Then it subsides for a while.
In my case vaping lead to smoking just before the heart problems...!
Ignorance is bliss.I dont take note of them anymore.
Ignorance is bliss.I dont take note of them anymore.
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I have also noticed the media reports increasing. I also noticed the anti-vapers are doing more research. Which can be good and bad. Open line debates on radio got more substance now and slightly more constructive rather than arguing with "Vaping is bad mmkay". Personally I think there is still a long way to go.
@Silver that was a sentence gone wrong.
too late to edit now.
it was supposed to read smoking lead to vaping and to ignore the ignorant posts and anti vaping propaganda while taking note they exist before they rule us out.
Also noticed it. In my opinion the world revolves around money. Any person who smokes cigarettes has a high risk of developing some sort of issue which will require medical attention. This medical attention will cost money and the medical industry will benefit from your costs to treat whatever issue you've developed. If you decrease this risk, the medical industry, government and big tobacco lose your portion of income in their pockets. It's a multi billion rand industry who lines the pockets of the "illuminati".
They will rather fund research which finds and emphasizes harm caused than studies which find the good. It's the same with cannabis or any other "good" alternative to the expensive norm.
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They will rather fund research which finds and emphasizes harm caused than studies which find the good. It's the same with cannabis or any other "good" alternative to the expensive norm.
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I smked my first cigarette at the age of 14, bought my first packet at 17 and smoked 1 packet a day for more than 20 years with a few peaks of 2 to 3 packs a day! How would you want these guys to let go customers like me?
I smoked throughout my years at the school of medicine and more years as a practitioner. I was never able to quit even for 1 day and was carrying the shame of smelling the stinkies while I was witnessing the ravages of tobacco on other people’s health and worse, I was preaching that the cigarettes kill and had to sermon COPD patients because they were still smoking while on home oxygen (that’s an explosion waiting to happen by the way!). Now I’m trying to convert them to vaping
The best ambassador for vaping is one who used to be a heavy smoker but has managed to quit due to vaping. You've made a change for the better in your life and you're trying to convince others to do the same. Hats off to you @Grand Guru!
I've also been noticing more anti-vaping articles lately and what gets me is where are the pro-vaping articles? What is the VPA doing to counteract the negativity??? Ain't seen nothin' yet. Meanwhile the anti-vaping articles are sticking to people's brains even better than Sticks Like Shit and it's extremely difficult to get people to change their minds.
It’s all about lobbying and who is having the resources to mobilize mainstream media, model the public opinion and dictate his views to politicians... you don’t need to think too hard.
Yes, you're right. So we don't have a snowball's hope in hell.
Just to give you a small indication on the scale of monies at stake. Check the number of members on this forum and multiply it by R40/day (not sure how much the stinkies cost anymore!)
Sad but true.
Just the illuminati doing what they do best 
I was at a shop the other day and had to wait for the manager to serve me so I went outside for a vape. Saw a guy smoking and we had a quick chat.
I asked him how long he had been smoking and he said 20 years and wanted to stop but couldn’t easily. I asked him if he had tried vaping and he said something quite amazing and alarming:
He said one doesn’t know the dangers with vaping so he would rather smoke since at least the dangers of smoking are well known. How’s that for a reason. Lol
I explained to him that although not all the long term risks of vaping are known, the research points toward it being much safer than smoking. So if you can’t stop altogether, vaping is most likely going to be much less harmful than smoking. He also said it sounded quite complicated.
Told him about the forum and wrote down the web address for him, he sounded genuinely interested to give it a try.
The thing is, most people don’t like change so it’s quite easy to convince a smoker that vaping could be just as bad or even worse for you than smoking. My encounter with this guy illustrated that quite well.
I asked him how long he had been smoking and he said 20 years and wanted to stop but couldn’t easily. I asked him if he had tried vaping and he said something quite amazing and alarming:
He said one doesn’t know the dangers with vaping so he would rather smoke since at least the dangers of smoking are well known. How’s that for a reason. Lol
I explained to him that although not all the long term risks of vaping are known, the research points toward it being much safer than smoking. So if you can’t stop altogether, vaping is most likely going to be much less harmful than smoking. He also said it sounded quite complicated.
Told him about the forum and wrote down the web address for him, he sounded genuinely interested to give it a try.
The thing is, most people don’t like change so it’s quite easy to convince a smoker that vaping could be just as bad or even worse for you than smoking. My encounter with this guy illustrated that quite well.
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Silver it's up there with people sinking on the titanic because the life boats haven't been fully tested enough so they choose to remain on the ship that's going down anyway. I also don't understand that logic towards vaping...
Great one @Grand Guru , my story is quite similar, first skelm one at 13, first 20’s pack at 16, and 1 to 1.5 packs a day for years peaking at 3 packs per day for a long time and quit after 30 + years when I couldn’t climb 7 stairs without taking a breather on the landing. Now the rest of me can’t keep up with my lungs. I still get out of breath some days, but few and far in between and only when I’ve been trotting around. Great effort on converting patients at that stage allready, take my hat of to you.I smked my first cigarette at the age of 14, bought my first packet at 17 and smoked 1 packet a day for more than 20 years with a few peaks of 2 to 3 packs a day! How would you want these guys to let go customers like me?
I smoked throughout my years at the school of medicine and more years as a practitioner. I was never able to quit even for 1 day and was carrying the shame of smelling the stinkies while I was witnessing the ravages of tobacco on other people’s health and worse, I was preaching that the cigarettes kill and had to sermon COPD patients because they were still smoking while on home oxygen (that’s an explosion waiting to happen by the way!). Now I’m trying to convert them to vaping
I've also been told that smoking is better because you're inhaling tobacco, but with vaping you don't know what you're inhaling! Of course I explained everything about what's in juice, but quite honestly it doesn't help. Their minds are made up and that is that.
What really gets to me is that it's those who know nothing about vaping, who talk about how bad it is.
What anti-vaping research? i only see bios opinions not proper proven scientific studies. The UK government decided after the TPD came in to being to look at vaping properly along with Health England and would follow facts not opinions or scaremongering. The findings of Study after study based on facts has caused the UK government and Health England to come out strongly in favour of vaping.
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