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Hey folks,

I need some help/advice please.

Just made a few bottles on liquid with a new batch of VG I got yesterday and all my mixes are coming out this red/orange colour immediately. I am used to seeing this with certain concentrates after a few days/weeks but never this before. I know the culprit is the VG as I used trial and error with some left over VG I had pre-new batch and the colour came out normal (translucent).

Has anyone experienced this before and is it something I should worry about?

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Larry said:
Hey folks,

I need some help/advice please.

Just made a few bottles on liquid with a new batch of VG I got yesterday and all my mixes are coming out this red/orange colour immediately. I am used to seeing this with certain concentrates after a few days/weeks but never this before. I know the culprit is the VG as I used trial and error with some left over VG I had pre-new batch and the colour came out normal (translucent).

Has anyone experienced this before and is it something I should worry about?

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Weird! I have no clue whatsoever, so I am sorry that I can provide nothing constructive. I am intrigued though and would like to see if I can find some info about this - Is the flavour and PG mix translucent and then this happens the very moment that you add the translucent VG?
 
I'll add all concentrates, pg and nic then shake and the product is translucent. Then I add the vg and shake and it transforms to this colour. It's totally beyond me. Trying looking for a similar issue on the Web and couldn't find anything.
 
Yeah I'm just gonna let it chill for now
 
I've had bad VG before.. didn't change colour but killed the flavours completely, you probably just got a bad batch of VG.
 
If that happens only when you add the VG, then it's obvious that there's something wrong with the VG. Maybe it's not pure VG? Where did you buy it from and did the label say BP and/or Kosher? I'd be a bit weary to vape it. Be careful bud.
 
Larry said:
Hey folks,

I need some help/advice please.

Just made a few bottles on liquid with a new batch of VG I got yesterday and all my mixes are coming out this red/orange colour immediately. I am used to seeing this with certain concentrates after a few days/weeks but never this before. I know the culprit is the VG as I used trial and error with some left over VG I had pre-new batch and the colour came out normal (translucent).

Has anyone experienced this before and is it something I should worry about?

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Hi @Larry
What VG were you using before and what VG are you using now?
Perhaps take a pic of the VG bottles and someone can better advise
 
zadiac said:
If that happens only when you add the VG, then it's obvious that there's something wrong with the VG. Maybe it's not pure VG? Where did you buy it from and did the label say BP and/or Kosher? I'd be a bit weary to vape it. Be careful bud.
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Err .. kosher?
 
I suspect it refers rather to the origin of the raw material for the glycerine, it being animal or plant matter. I mention this because the bakery supply shops I am sometimes forced to visit during the course of my husbandly duties does specifically sell kosher glycerine but nowhere does it state the actual purity of the glycerine.

PG is not a by product of natural origin so such an epitaph would not apply.
 
JakesSA said:
I suspect it refers rather to the origin of the raw material for the glycerine, it being animal or plant matter. I mention this because the bakery supply shops I am sometimes forced to visit during the course of my husbandly duties does specifically sell kosher glycerine but nowhere does it state the actual purity of the glycerine.

PG is not a by product of natural origin so such an epitaph would not apply.
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I stand corrected then :)
 
Hey guys,

The "new" and "old" batches of VG (Glycerine BP) was purchased from Geoff @ Clyrolinx. I've ordered numerous batches from him before and this has never happened. I am currently chatting to him to understand what the issue is as none of his other clients have experienced this issue. He has advised that the batch is from October 2015 so that would rule out any degradation of the liquid.

I did a few fresh tests this morning (TFA Grape Candy), thought maybe it was the bottle I decanted the VG into that could be causing the issue so tried it from the source (both containers I have) and from decanted bottle and here are the results:

"new" Decanted (bottle 1): Light pink/orange
"new" Source (bottle 1): Light pink/orange
"new" Source (bottle 2): Light pink/orange
"old" September VG: Clear

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Then I did another test with FW Skittles and this was the result:

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All clear! Extremely weird!

@Mike the batch yesterday was all 3mg Nic. I thought that it was the Nic causing this discolouration aswell but I've tried this morning without Nic and getting the same results (besides the Skittles ofc)
 
If you're getting that colour in 0mg mixes, something is very, very wrong.

The orange colour is usually oxidation of the nicotine, sometimes additional reactions take place which can cause juices to change from an orange amber to a bright red hinting on pink. However if there's no nicotine present, that can't happen.

High temperatures can increase the rate of this reaction as well as exposure to uv.

If none of this is relevant and you are really getting orange coloured juice with no nic, I'd considering not using any of the vg / pg / concentrates that caused it as it suggests they've been contaminated with nic or worse.
 
Thanks @Mike, I agree there must be something very, very wrong with the VG. Will try grabbing some Glycerine from dis-chem today and conduct further tests tonight.

It's funny how when just mixing for myself and trying new stuff out I experience no issues like this but when trying to finalize flavours for my juice line so other people can test, this happens! Oh the joys!
 
Larry said:
Thanks @Mike, I agree there must be something very, very wrong with the VG. Will try grabbing some Glycerine from dis-chem today and conduct further tests tonight.

It's funny how when just mixing for myself and trying new stuff out I experience no issues like this but when trying to finalize flavours for my juice line so other people can test, this happens! Oh the joys!
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Did you use fresh syringes when conducting your test on the colour? Sometimes auto oxidation can take place if free radicals are brought into contact with the product.

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Larry said:
@gman211991 Yeah fresh syringes for the source tests but drops/weight for the rest.
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What were your ambient conditions ie. Light and room temperature when you made your batches on? All major juice makers are extremely careful on those parameters to ensure uniformity

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gman211991 said:
What were your ambient conditions ie. Light and room temperature when you made your batches on? All major juice makers are extremely careful on those parameters to ensure uniformity

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I reckon that's extremely unlikely to be playing any part - Larry has already shown its only happening with a particular batch of VG.
 
All my bases and flavourants are stored in a cool dark place and never mix in extremely bright conditions.
 
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