No more vaping in Cresta Mall

[BuzzGlo]

After seeing this I wanted to ask how other people felt about this?

I dont vape in public spaces with a crowd around me, even if I am outside.

With the pending legislation around vaping and smoking and malls putting up signs like this I feel like a reject from society. Why do I choose to live and spend my earning in places that removes my right? Yes I respect other rights to not smoke or vape, not to be subjected to my vape or smoke but where is the respect for my right? Why is there no longer a space created for me? My money is good enough?

I think if you are going to take the initiative to guard your non vaping shoppers when there is no legislation obliging you then you have to create a space for your vaping customers at the same time?

Idk Seriously considering sending a letter to Cresta telling them my family wont be shopping there and I wont shop there.

I f!@#ing deserve some respect.

Regards

 

[BumbleBee]

I am honestly surprised that this hasn't happened sooner, and in more places. I am fairly certain that this sort of restriction is because of the okes that go around chucking clouds in public that do so because "ya yis, vaping isn't smoking hey and it's not illegal, watcha gonna do about it hey?! I'll smoke my vape wherever I want!"

 

[Pixstar]

I am honestly surprised that this hasn't happened sooner, and in more places. I am fairly certain that this sort of restriction is because of the okes that go around chucking clouds in public that do so because "ya yis, vaping isn't smoking hey and it's not illegal, watcha gonna do about it hey?! I'll smoke my vape wherever I want!"

Agree 110%!
We had it coming, thanks to the “Look at me, I’m a cloud” brigade that thinks (now thought) that blowing vape clouds in shopping centres is cool.

 

[Rob Fisher]

I can certainly understand why they have done it... people are idiots and big cloud blowers are of course to blame. I pretty much vape everywhere and I have vaped everywhere in Alaska, Canada, USA, Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Russia and South Africa and I vape inside and out but am mindful of other people and the appropriate situations... Have been asked not to vape only once and that was in a pier in the wide open spaces in Canada... and that's because the owner was a TWAT!

At the end of the day just don't be a doos!

 

[Pixstar]

After seeing this I wanted to ask how other people felt about this?

I dont vape in public spaces with a crowd around me, even if I am outside.

With the pending legislation around vaping and smoking and malls putting up signs like this I feel like a reject from society. Why do I choose to live and spend my earning in places that removes my right? Yes I respect other rights to not smoke or vape, not to be subjected to my vape or smoke but where is the respect for my right? Why is there no longer a space created for me? My money is good enough?

I think if you are going to take the initiative to guard your non vaping shoppers when there is no legislation obliging you then you have to create a space for your vaping customers at the same time?

Idk Seriously considering sending a letter to Cresta telling them my family wont be shopping there and I wont shop there.

I f!@#ing deserve some respect.

Regards

I see where you’re coming from but we have only ourselves to blame.

 

[SmokeyJoe]

After seeing this I wanted to ask how other people felt about this?

I dont vape in public spaces with a crowd around me, even if I am outside.

With the pending legislation around vaping and smoking and malls putting up signs like this I feel like a reject from society. Why do I choose to live and spend my earning in places that removes my right? Yes I respect other rights to not smoke or vape, not to be subjected to my vape or smoke but where is the respect for my right? Why is there no longer a space created for me? My money is good enough?

I think if you are going to take the initiative to guard your non vaping shoppers when there is no legislation obliging you then you have to create a space for your vaping customers at the same time?

Idk Seriously considering sending a letter to Cresta telling them my family wont be shopping there and I wont shop there.

I f!@#ing deserve some respect.

Regards

Im not surprised to be honest. Ive seen so many inconsiderate okes blowing clouds in malls. No matter what science says about second hand vaping, its not brain science to execute some common decency for the people around you

 

[craigb]

I see where you’re coming from but we have only ourselves to blame.

No WE are not. Individuals that happen to vape like idiots are responsible. There is very little if any WE that involves me in that regard. @RichJB has much more eloquently expressed how there is no single homogenous WE of vapers. In the same vein, WE as drivers are not to blame for any or all accidents on the road caused by moronic idiotic individuals.

At the end of the day just don't be a doos!

I second that.

No matter what science says about second hand vaping, its not brain science to execute some common decency for the people around you

and that

 

[SmokeyJoe]

No WE are not. Individuals that happen to vape like idiots are responsible. There is very little if any WE that involves me in that regard. @RichJB has much more eloquently expressed how there is no single homogenous WE of vapers. In the same vein, WE as drivers are not to blame for any or all accidents on the road caused by moronic idiotic individuals.


I second that.


and that

Are you in the legal profession bud? You sure as hell argue as one

 

[craigb]

Are you in the legal profession bud? You sure as hell argue as one

nah, even worse. I'm an IT professional

 

[Rude Rudi]

I live 5 kilometers from Cresta and frequently shop there. I have no problem with this sign or policy as there is this perceived loophole by the pimple-faced laaitjies who walk around the mall and as @BumbleBee said, flout the no smoking policy as it excludes vaping as vaping is not smoking.
The same no-smoking policy at my work was recently amended to include e-cigarettes to cover this apparent loophole.

I support the sign and happy that they have made a stance. Management must be sick of the old ladies complaining about the youngsters vaping openly in the mall - good on them.

 

[jm10]

Not surprised at all, i dont actually mind at all to be honest, reason been is I’m the guy running like a mad man through the parking lot carrying my 1 year old so he doesn’t inhale any smoke from the smokers that litter the parking areas, i wont let him inhale anything but air.

The only time i dont vape in public is when i see a baby coming and i vape everywhere but no big clouds.


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[SmokeyJoe]

nah, even worse. I'm an IT professional

Oh crap me too

 

[Christos]

I f!@#ing deserve some respect.

Good luck with this one.

 

[RainstormZA]

Oh crap me too

Me three!

@jm10 same here. Same rule for no smoking in the house applies to me vaping outside. I really dont mind as I'm used to it and being where I am, it's nice to see the wild animals.

Even at malls, I try to avoid vaping around babies in strollers or little kids.

 

[Raindance]

After seeing this I wanted to ask how other people felt about this?

I dont vape in public spaces with a crowd around me, even if I am outside.

With the pending legislation around vaping and smoking and malls putting up signs like this I feel like a reject from society. Why do I choose to live and spend my earning in places that removes my right? Yes I respect other rights to not smoke or vape, not to be subjected to my vape or smoke but where is the respect for my right? Why is there no longer a space created for me? My money is good enough?

I think if you are going to take the initiative to guard your non vaping shoppers when there is no legislation obliging you then you have to create a space for your vaping customers at the same time?

Idk Seriously considering sending a letter to Cresta telling them my family wont be shopping there and I wont shop there.

I f!@#ing deserve some respect.

Regards

My OCD is kicking. How the hell is that a disclaimer notice? Or has the language devolved again...

Regards

 

[Daniel]

My OCD is kicking. How the hell is that a disclaimer notice? Or has the language devolved again...

Regards

Definition on WikiPedia :
A disclaimer is generally any statement intended to specify or delimit the scope of rights and obligations that may be exercised and enforced by parties in a legally recognized relationship.

So I guess it kinda resembles that ?

I've seen such notices popping up in Spur as well ..... it's sad that little brats that think it's "cool" to vape is ruining it for the actual vapers that came from stinkies .....

 

[Raindance]

Definition on WikiPedia :
A disclaimer is generally any statement intended to specify or delimit the scope of rights and obligations that may be exercised and enforced by parties in a legally recognized relationship.

So I guess it kinda resembles that ?

I've seen such notices popping up in Spur as well ..... it's sad that little brats that think it's "cool" to vape is ruining it for the actual vapers that came from stinkies .....

The context being declaring limits of liability and/or obligation. When setting restrictions its just so much better to use restriction notices. In any case, can't help being a sucker for semantics. The ability to communicate accurately and concisely being one of the cornerstones of civilization.

Ok, ok, I'm being an @$#0l3 I know... Will shut up now.

Regards

 

[Halfdaft]

You don't vape where you wouldn't smoke, simple as that.

 

[Halfdaft]

Definition on WikiPedia :
A disclaimer is generally any statement intended to specify or delimit the scope of rights and obligations that may be exercised and enforced by parties in a legally recognized relationship.

So I guess it kinda resembles that ?

I've seen such notices popping up in Spur as well ..... it's sad that little brats that think it's "cool" to vape is ruining it for the actual vapers that came from stinkies .....

It's so easy to just go to the smoking section and have a few puffs there, it really won't kill them to walk the few steps to get there...

 

[RichJB]

There is an unfortunate tendency among some vapers, particularly the newer ones, to approach it with a sort of missionary zeal. Just like the newly-converted to religion will go out and try to convert the public to their religion, so newly-converted vapers will make a huge public show of vaping to get in people's faces and try to convert them too. Unfortunately, in both cases, it gets people's backs up very quickly.

To illustrate with a comparison, I feel nothing - pro or anti - about drug users. I know there are many people who take heroin and other drugs, and many people also in rehab. But it's always done discreetly and, if it's not in my face, I'm not going to be bothered by it. Out of sight, out of mind. However if, every time I went to Cresta, I was confronted with twenty drug rehab patients making a huge show of taking their methadone in public, it would soon rile me.

Britain has followed a permissive approach about vaping in public and I think it's a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it's convenient for vapers. But the flip-side is that it has quickly built public antipathy for vaping. I've taken part in a couple of discussions on British forums about vaping in public and there is an alarmingly vituperative and derisive attitude among many non-smokers. It's because they have vaping thrust in their face at every opportunity by some vapers. So one needs to weigh up the pros and cons carefully. Something being a right doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do.

The excuse that "it smells much nicer than tobacco smoke" doesn't cut it. There is a big difference between fresh and recycled aromas. If I get into a lift and a delivery guy is carrying a stack of pizza boxes, I can enjoy the aroma of fresh cooked food. If I get into the lift and smell recently-eaten pizza on the breath of the guy next to me, then it's not so pleasant. Once aromas have passed through the mouth and innards of someone else, I don't want to be smelling them. We have a societal norm that people should not emit strong odours - good or bad. A woman with lashings of perfume is almost as offensive as a bloke with BO. That norm applies to vapers, same as everyone else.

 

[TheV]

You don't vape where you wouldn't smoke, simple as that.

This ^

 

[Daniel]

There is an unfortunate tendency among some vapers, particularly the newer ones, to approach it with a sort of missionary zeal. Just like the newly-converted to religion will go out and try to convert the public to their religion, so newly-converted vapers will make a huge public show of vaping to get in people's faces and try to convert them too. Unfortunately, in both cases, it gets people's backs up very quickly.

To illustrate with a comparison, I feel nothing - pro or anti - about drug users. I know there are many people who take heroin and other drugs, and many people also in rehab. But it's always done discreetly and, if it's not in my face, I'm not going to be bothered by it. Out of sight, out of mind. However if, every time I went to Cresta, I was confronted with twenty drug rehab patients making a huge show of taking their methadone in public, it would soon rile me.

Britain has followed a permissive approach about vaping in public and I think it's a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it's convenient for vapers. But the flip-side is that it has quickly built public antipathy for vaping. I've taken part in a couple of discussions on British forums about vaping in public and there is an alarmingly vituperative and derisive attitude among many non-smokers. It's because they have vaping thrust in their face at every opportunity by some vapers. So one needs to weigh up the pros and cons carefully. Something being a right doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do.

The excuse that "it smells much nicer than tobacco smoke" doesn't cut it. There is a big difference between fresh and recycled aromas. If I get into a lift and a delivery guy is carrying a stack of pizza boxes, I can enjoy the aroma of fresh cooked food. If I get into the lift and smell recently-eaten pizza on the breath of the guy next to me, then it's not so pleasant. Once aromas have passed through the mouth and innards of someone else, I don't want to be smelling them. We have a societal norm that people should not emit strong odours - good or bad. A woman with lashings of perfume is almost as offensive as a bloke with BO. That norm applies to vapers, same as everyone else.

Guess who's getting "cup-caked" at VapeCon .....

But yes I do agree , some vapers tend to be all "in your face" about it which doesn't contribute to the current situation .....

 

[Room Fogger]

I think we will be seeing these notices going up in a lot more places. Went for lunch at Montecasino and on the way out was confronted by 2 youngsters chucking clouds like you cannot believe. When security asked them to refrain and do it in designated areas only a screaming match ensued, including that it contained no nicotine. They were removed with the last threat being that they will be suing as the ones dad is a lawyer and the weren’t smoking. Felt like applauding, but laughed my ass of as I went merrily vaping after lifting my mod and getting a thumbs up from security. I was outside and parked outside.

This is exactly what we do not need, so prepare to see this more. Our biggest Achilles heel I believe is youngsters that want to show off, and they think that no rules apply to them. Don’t know how this will affect Vape shops if they are inside a mall, with no outside access.

 

[picautomaton]

Well at least we know have a rule, and, rules are there to be broken I vape where I want to but in stealth mode. Poor cloud blowers they are going to be in trouble and relegated to smoking section blues.

 

[ARYANTO]

After seeing this I wanted to ask how other people felt about this?

I dont vape in public spaces with a crowd around me, even if I am outside.

With the pending legislation around vaping and smoking and malls putting up signs like this I feel like a reject from society. Why do I choose to live and spend my earning in places that removes my right? Yes I respect other rights to not smoke or vape, not to be subjected to my vape or smoke but where is the respect for my right? Why is there no longer a space created for me? My money is good enough?

I think if you are going to take the initiative to guard your non vaping shoppers when there is no legislation obliging you then you have to create a space for your vaping customers at the same time?

Idk Seriously considering sending a letter to Cresta telling them my family wont be shopping there and I wont shop there.

I f!@#ing deserve some respect.

Regards

I am not using a FXXXING E- cig........,.