Taste Sensitivity...

[Hardtail1969]

Hi Guys,

Bit of a quandary...

I am diying, and have bought flavours...

i have yet to find a flavour that actually tastes like anything, although mint and menthol do give me the cools, and bubblegum does give me a sweet taste, and strawberries are smooth and sweet, i still have to have the taste of the actual thing...

I have tried rba's, drippers, tanks, etc... and changed mixes from 50/50 to full vg.

i can smell the concentrates in the bottles, but when i mix them in a diy, i cant really smell or taste much, i am using 2%-4% concentrates in my mixes.

i have upped and lowered my nic levels, i have tried a number of different ways of vaping....

and i still cannot seem to taste what everyone else is raving about.

does anyone have advice?

 

[craigb]

Tfa flavours are typically mixed at about 7% for single flavours. Cap and FA and the rest at about 3% to 5%.

Could also just be you are interpreting the flavour molecules differerently? Do you ever eat artificially flavoured stuff and then disagree with others about what it tastes like?

 

[Feliks Karp]

How and how long are you steeping?

 

[Hardtail1969]

7%? Guess i can try and see how that works for me, thanks!

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[Hardtail1969]

Steeping? I dont believe that it affects taste as much, but then i have not really tried to leave a juice for that long

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[Feliks Karp]

Steeping? I dont believe that it affects taste as much, but then i have not really tried to leave a juice for that long

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Even an over night steep can have a dramatic effect on the flavour, I would head to the DIY sub-forum and do more reading, plenty of knowledgeable folks there.

 

[craigb]

Steeping? I dont believe that it affects taste as much, but then i have not really tried to leave a juice for that long

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Depending on the specific flavour it can make a huge difference. But IMO you should be able to taste the strawberry as a shake n vape. It will taste better after a few days, but should be there from the start.

How do you do with commercial juices? Any problems tasting them?

 

[Hardtail1969]

Even an over night steep can have a dramatic effect on the flavour, I would head to the DIY sub-forum and do more reading, plenty of knowledgeable folks there.

Hmm.. i have done that, and not noticed anything major.. and i have read the diy forum... thanks, will try next mixup and leave one for a week or two and see

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[Hardtail1969]

Depending on the specific flavour it can make a huge difference. But IMO you should be able to taste the strawberry as a shake n vape. It will taste better after a few days, but should be there from the start.

How do you do with commercial juices? Any problems tasting them?

Even commercial ones i struggle with tasting..

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[craigb]

How long are you off the stinkies now? Maybe its a severe case of vapers fatigue?

 

[Dietz]

Steeping? I dont believe that it affects taste as much, but then i have not really tried to leave a juice for that long

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Hi @Hardtail1969 , Try experimenting with your % of the Mix. Also have a look at a few sites and notes on a specific Concentrate before using it to see whats the recommendations as some might require higher % than other, For example I mix my AM4A tobacco at 4% (As recommended) and its great but then 7 Leaves I have to make 8.4% as thats the recommended. Both tobacco, but different Flavors require Different %.

Steeping is DEFINITELY required for most Tobaccos and Dessert or Creamy type Juices. The flavors combine and mellow out with the steeping time. Something that tastes like total Crap on day 1 can be an amazing joose after a 2 or 3 week steep, depending on the recipe you used. I generally steep anything Tobacco or Dessert for no less than 2 weeks.

Also remember that Taste is Very subjective, so mix something using the Recommended %, but increase or Decrease these % on the next batch to match your required taste.

 

[Anneries]

Maybe its a severe case of vapers fatigue?

That was my exact same thought.

 

[Hardtail1969]

How long are you off the stinkies now? Maybe its a severe case of vapers fatigue?

Off the smokes for 9 months now.

Vapers tongue?

Dunno about that, because other things taste fine to me, such as food and drink.

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[craigb]

I've had vapers fatigue a few times in my short vaping career. You end wish for a juice to taste crap, cos then you are tasting something.

Look around the forums, there's plenty of threads here and on the interwebs but the only real solution is time and patience.

What flavours are you trying?

 

[Hardtail1969]

I've had vapers fatigue a few times in my short vaping career. You end wish for a juice to taste crap, cos then you are tasting something.

Look around the forums, there's plenty of threads here and on the interwebs but the only real solution is time and patience.

What flavours are you trying?

Trying any and all... i can taste a burnt coil, so i know what bad is, and take cinnamon red hot, i get the warmth, but not the full cinnamon flavour...

A grape juice for instance... i get the sweet and very light scent of grape.. but not as strong as i expect it to be.

Perhaps i must try a 10% single flavour to see.

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[craigb]

Off the smokes for 9 months now.

Vapers tongue?

Dunno about that, because other things taste fine to me, such as food and drink.

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Maybe mix up a nice, simple single flavour @ 5-7%.

Leave it to steep a few days.

Mix up a nice plain menthol to vape while your other juice is steeping.

Not a guaranteed solution, but maybe it can "reset" the senses. YMMV.

 

[RichJB]

Vaper's tongue is nasty from what I've heard. Not painful or anything but just frustrating not being able to taste your juice. As with most other vaping cons, it's something I've never had. I think what might help me in that regard is that I vape at least ten different juices every day. So my palate keeps getting hit from different angles and doesn't settle into the rut that a single flavour would produce.

It also raises this ongoing question again about taste sensation in vaping, and why we get tired of juices very quickly yet we never got tired of the same brand of cigarette for 20 years of smoking. I can't recall hearing of anything like "smoker's tongue" where smokers could no longer taste their cigarettes. Sure, smokers have a reduced sense of taste, that is well known. But it doesn't fluctuate. For the entirety of the 37 years in which I smoked, cigarettes tasted consistently the same to me. I never once looked in puzzlement at my cigarette and thought "Wtf, I can't taste this anymore?"

There is definitely something weird going on with vaping and our taste sensation. Vaper's tongue, throat hit, nic harshness, some people tasting sweaty gym socks, cardboard, rubber or rotten onions where others are tasting delicious, juicy pineapple. Many mysteries still to be unraveled.

 

[Kalashnikov]

Vape plain VG/PG for half a day. I promise once you switch to a flavoured juice you will def taste it

 

[Hardtail1969]

Vaper's tongue is nasty from what I've heard. Not painful or anything but just frustrating not being able to taste your juice. As with most other vaping cons, it's something I've never had. I think what might help me in that regard is that I vape at least ten different juices every day. So my palate keeps getting hit from different angles and doesn't settle into the rut that a single flavour would produce.

It also raises this ongoing question again about taste sensation in vaping, and why we get tired of juices very quickly yet we never got tired of the same brand of cigarette for 20 years of smoking. I can't recall hearing of anything like "smoker's tongue" where smokers could no longer taste their cigarettes. Sure, smokers have a reduced sense of taste, that is well known. But it doesn't fluctuate. For the entirety of the 37 years in which I smoked, cigarettes tasted consistently the same to me. I never once looked in puzzlement at my cigarette and thought "Wtf, I can't taste this anymore?"

There is definitely something weird going on with vaping and our taste sensation. Vaper's tongue, throat hit, nic harshness, some people tasting sweaty gym socks, cardboard, rubber or rotten onions where others are tasting delicious, juicy pineapple. Many mysteries still to be unraveled.

The reason cigs taste how they do, and why they dont change, is due to all the additives and chemicals used to make sure that it doesnt affect your taste whilst you are smoking...

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[RichJB]

The reason cigs taste how they do, and why they dont change, is due to all the additives and chemicals used to make sure that it doesnt affect your taste whilst you are smoking...

That's as may be but it still doesn't explain why vaping unlocks such extreme taste sensations in vapers. And it applies to nothing else that we eat or drink. Have you ever heard of a family sitting down to a Sunday roast and half of them go "Yummy, this roast beef is truly excellent" while the other half go "Eeeew, I'm getting a strong taste of burnt rubber!"

Tastes vary and most people will have some foods they don't like. But if you have two people who both like a foodstuff and they eat exactly the same brand of that foodstuff, there will at worst be only a slight difference in their perception of it. Two vapers can both love blueberries, they can both vape the same brand of blueberry concentrate, and one is in raptures about how delicious it is while the other is almost barfing. We had it on this very forum when we did testing of Loco flavours. Ezekiel thought the blueberry was exceptionally good, everybody else found it repulsive. How does one explain this??

 

[Hardtail1969]

That's as may be but it still doesn't explain why vaping unlocks such extreme taste sensations in vapers. And it applies to nothing else that we eat or drink. Have you ever heard of a family sitting down to a Sunday roast and half of them go "Yummy, this roast beef is truly excellent" while the other half go "Eeeew, I'm getting a strong taste of burnt rubber!"

Tastes vary and most people will have some foods they don't like. But if you have two people who both like a foodstuff and they eat exactly the same brand of that foodstuff, there will at worst be only a slight difference in their perception of it. Two vapers can both love blueberries, they can both vape the same brand of blueberry concentrate, and one is in raptures about how delicious it is while the other is almost barfing. We had it on this very forum when we did testing of Loco flavours. Ezekiel thought the blueberry was exceptionally good, everybody else found it repulsive. How does one explain this??

Which is the reason i am stumped about my lack of taste in general when it comes to juices

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[Kuhlkatz]

@Hardtail1969 , just a few questions that might help the peeps on here help you :

Which specific flavourings are you referring to ?

While TFA and CAP may generally work well at around 8% to 10% for single flavours, CLY and other concentrated flavours at 10% will likely be so strong that even someone with Vapors Fatigue might 'enjoy' the nice chemical / floral taste.​

Do you have any other commercial jooses available to try as a benchmark ?

If it is it only from your DIY jooses that you get no real flavour, it might be the lowish % of the mixes that is the cause. If commercial jooses also has no taste, it might well be overloaded senses.​

 

[zandernwn]

Stoopid question, but is you nose blocked?

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[Hardtail1969]

Overloaded senses... possible, and nope no blocked nose

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[zandernwn]

Try fesh ginger, coffe beans, or strong mints, it sometimes help shock the palette back into action. Drink plenty of water.maybe share recipes you have done and we can see if you are mixing at the right strenghts

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