It is 75% of our current ciggie tariff which is around 40% of the retail price apparently. So in this case would be about 30% of the RRP of a bottle of E-liquid. Of R290, R87 would go to the Man........
VPASA Response to proposed vaping tax 2021
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Got you, thanks! that actually means compared to the UK your tax on cigarettes is very low! If your government really understood the facts about the harm reduction of people vaping rather than smoking they would just charge standard VAT on Vaping products but dramatically increase tax on cigarettes. But then when i hear in your budget the term "so called vapes" i fear the worse for the future for South Africans when it comes to vaping!
@ Timwis.
When you live in the UK you have a government and an opposition. This creates a balance of sorts. here we have the ANC, as in cANCer. They pretend to operate as a first world government but in fact have a deep routed philosophy of creating wealth for themselves as compensation for Apartheid.
They feel nothing for the common man and look for any and all means to increase the tax base. Bear in mind that we have a large portion of people who live in poverty and we have a disproportionate amount of people who are very wealthy. They see any tax as a way of reparation and will look at anything that will fill the coffers. If you can afford to vape, then you can afford the tax. This has nothing to do with tax on vaping and everything to do with another revenue stream.
When you live in the UK you have a government and an opposition. This creates a balance of sorts. here we have the ANC, as in cANCer. They pretend to operate as a first world government but in fact have a deep routed philosophy of creating wealth for themselves as compensation for Apartheid.
They feel nothing for the common man and look for any and all means to increase the tax base. Bear in mind that we have a large portion of people who live in poverty and we have a disproportionate amount of people who are very wealthy. They see any tax as a way of reparation and will look at anything that will fill the coffers. If you can afford to vape, then you can afford the tax. This has nothing to do with tax on vaping and everything to do with another revenue stream.
Our media when it comes to what goes on in the rest of the world is second to none so i know about every word you wrote but as an outsider feel i have to be very careful talking about your politics and past!
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I know I'm usually the guilty one when it comes to derailing threads but this time I'm going to ask that we keep politics out of it and stick to the topic. This has the potential of going south very quickly.
We can have very constructive conversations about this topic without the need of mudslinging.
We can have very constructive conversations about this topic without the need of mudslinging.
Yep. So a R360 bottle of juice (many local brands 100ml/120ml are this price) should, by this calculation, go up to around R470, give or take a couple of rands.
there is plenty of "tax free" cigarettes available in SA, why should vaping be any different?
Maybe somebody that uses a IQos can shortly give us a clear indication as to how much the tax will be as IQos is gonna be taxed from now.
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IQOSs are sold in many supermarkets, so it's easy to check the prices now before sin tax is imposed and again after it is implemented.
@alex1501 Let's agree to disagree
If by that you mean "you have your point of view, I have mine and the truth is somewhere in between", then yes, I'm all for it.
What proposed Tobacco Bill means for vaping in South Africa
https://www.medicalbrief.co.za/archives/what-proposed-tobacco-bill-means-for-vaping-in-south-africa/
27 Jan. 2021
"With the Control of Tobacco and Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems Bill (2018) on the horizon, health organisations and tobacco control lobbyists are failing to acknowledge the benefits of harm reduction products such as electronic vapour products, writes Asanda Gcoyi, CEO of the Vapour Products Association of South Africa (VPASA), in BizCommunity.
The article is part of the We Are Not Tobacco (WANT) campaign launched by VPASA. The vaping industry body seeks to differentiate electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) from combustible tobacco products. This is the full article:
As the South African government moves to fast-track the final assessment of regulations to introduce legislation to regulate ENDS under the same law as smoking, the vaping industry is alarmed by the false parallel that government and anti-tobacco activists are drawing between the different products.
Accordingly, VPASA has demanded that the government appropriately differentiate electronic vapour vapour products (EVPs) from combustible tobacco, in keeping with the scientifically proven view that EVPs are a less-harmful alternative to smoking.
Properly regulated, EVPs can significantly contribute to reducing the harms associated with smoking; the very purpose for which the government seeks to tighten regulations.
Regulatory decisions should always be based on scientific facts rather than perception, ideological leanings or, even worse, misinformation.
Unfortunately, EVPs have tended to suffer from widespread misinformation, driven in no small part by anti-tobacco lobbyists and health authorities who deem EVPs as similar in danger to smoking, despite the preponderance of scientific evidence proving the contrary.
In the event, public opinion has tended to be guided by sensationalist and inaccurate media reporting rather than the evidence of, by now, countless, highly reputable research institutions across the globe who are advising governments to harness the potential of EVPs as harm-reduced alternatives to smoking and the attendant benefits flowing from that.
These institutions include Public Health England, the Royal College of Physicians, Cancer Research, Action on Smoking and Health and many others. These organisations are tied by the science that EVPs are 95% less harmful than traditional smoking, a staggering achievement.
The promulgation of the South African Bill, of course, comes in the wake of a difficult period in which the sale of vaping products was summarily banned during the country’s hard COVID-19 lockdown.
This was a missed opportunity as it could have offered smokers a safer route to meet their nicotine cravings during the ban rather than the consumption of illicit tobacco.
At the same time, it would have contributed to many more smokers switching out of their smoking habit, thus contributing to South Africa’s stated target of reducing smoking by 20%.
VPASA has consistently advised the government to carefully study the example of the United Kingdom, which is a world leader in EVP regulation. Our organisation is not anti-regulation, as some may wish to suggest. Rather, we are for sensible, measured and effective regulation, of which the UK seems to have found a workable model.
VPASA wants to see appropriate, evidence-based policies, which enable consumers to make informed decisions about their choice of nicotine products. The bill, as it stands, runs contrary to this objective.
We believe that imposing the same restrictions on all ENDS as on traditional combustible tobacco products is problematic for a number of reasons.
For one, standardised packaging and labelling for all ENDS products will restrict the dissemination of relevant educational information. The requirement for graphic health warnings standardised across all products will represent the dangers of smokers as there are no known graphics that can be displayed on EVPs.
Concealing products at point-of-sale misses an opportunity to bring awareness to smokers about the products. At the same time, banning all forms of product communication will unduly restrict the industry from communicating with smokers who wrongly believe that EVPs are equally or more harmful than smoking.
In short, vaping and EVPs offer safer nicotine-delivery products to millions of South African smokers who are at risk of developing smoking-related diseases.
Preventing access to vaping products and stigmatising them in the same way as combustible tobacco products is not good regulatory practice. It denies people their right to make an educated – and less harmful – choice."
Article in BizCommunity – What does the proposed tobacco bill mean for vaping in SA? (Open access)
Website of the Vapour Products Association of South Africa (VPASA) (Open access)
https://www.medicalbrief.co.za/archives/what-proposed-tobacco-bill-means-for-vaping-in-south-africa/
27 Jan. 2021
"With the Control of Tobacco and Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems Bill (2018) on the horizon, health organisations and tobacco control lobbyists are failing to acknowledge the benefits of harm reduction products such as electronic vapour products, writes Asanda Gcoyi, CEO of the Vapour Products Association of South Africa (VPASA), in BizCommunity.
The article is part of the We Are Not Tobacco (WANT) campaign launched by VPASA. The vaping industry body seeks to differentiate electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) from combustible tobacco products. This is the full article:
As the South African government moves to fast-track the final assessment of regulations to introduce legislation to regulate ENDS under the same law as smoking, the vaping industry is alarmed by the false parallel that government and anti-tobacco activists are drawing between the different products.
Accordingly, VPASA has demanded that the government appropriately differentiate electronic vapour vapour products (EVPs) from combustible tobacco, in keeping with the scientifically proven view that EVPs are a less-harmful alternative to smoking.
Properly regulated, EVPs can significantly contribute to reducing the harms associated with smoking; the very purpose for which the government seeks to tighten regulations.
Regulatory decisions should always be based on scientific facts rather than perception, ideological leanings or, even worse, misinformation.
Unfortunately, EVPs have tended to suffer from widespread misinformation, driven in no small part by anti-tobacco lobbyists and health authorities who deem EVPs as similar in danger to smoking, despite the preponderance of scientific evidence proving the contrary.
In the event, public opinion has tended to be guided by sensationalist and inaccurate media reporting rather than the evidence of, by now, countless, highly reputable research institutions across the globe who are advising governments to harness the potential of EVPs as harm-reduced alternatives to smoking and the attendant benefits flowing from that.
These institutions include Public Health England, the Royal College of Physicians, Cancer Research, Action on Smoking and Health and many others. These organisations are tied by the science that EVPs are 95% less harmful than traditional smoking, a staggering achievement.
The promulgation of the South African Bill, of course, comes in the wake of a difficult period in which the sale of vaping products was summarily banned during the country’s hard COVID-19 lockdown.
This was a missed opportunity as it could have offered smokers a safer route to meet their nicotine cravings during the ban rather than the consumption of illicit tobacco.
At the same time, it would have contributed to many more smokers switching out of their smoking habit, thus contributing to South Africa’s stated target of reducing smoking by 20%.
VPASA has consistently advised the government to carefully study the example of the United Kingdom, which is a world leader in EVP regulation. Our organisation is not anti-regulation, as some may wish to suggest. Rather, we are for sensible, measured and effective regulation, of which the UK seems to have found a workable model.
VPASA wants to see appropriate, evidence-based policies, which enable consumers to make informed decisions about their choice of nicotine products. The bill, as it stands, runs contrary to this objective.
We believe that imposing the same restrictions on all ENDS as on traditional combustible tobacco products is problematic for a number of reasons.
For one, standardised packaging and labelling for all ENDS products will restrict the dissemination of relevant educational information. The requirement for graphic health warnings standardised across all products will represent the dangers of smokers as there are no known graphics that can be displayed on EVPs.
Concealing products at point-of-sale misses an opportunity to bring awareness to smokers about the products. At the same time, banning all forms of product communication will unduly restrict the industry from communicating with smokers who wrongly believe that EVPs are equally or more harmful than smoking.
In short, vaping and EVPs offer safer nicotine-delivery products to millions of South African smokers who are at risk of developing smoking-related diseases.
Preventing access to vaping products and stigmatising them in the same way as combustible tobacco products is not good regulatory practice. It denies people their right to make an educated – and less harmful – choice."
Article in BizCommunity – What does the proposed tobacco bill mean for vaping in SA? (Open access)
Website of the Vapour Products Association of South Africa (VPASA) (Open access)
As someone who vapes at least 30mls a day(Works out to around R150 a day?), I may as well go back to smoking 10 - 20 cigarettes' a day(R20-R40).
Thank goodness I have stocked up and by the end of this week, I should have around(What would work out to) 90 bottles of 100ml.
Thank goodness I have stocked up and by the end of this week, I should have around(What would work out to) 90 bottles of 100ml.
I would really look at going the DIY route before even considering the old enemy!
Seems they tax the wrong thing the price you quoted is £2 for 20 cigarettes in the UK 20 cigarettes are now over £10!
They haven't been as low as £2 since i was a kid and i am 50 next month!
Also, if I had to buy commercial juices for my daily fix, I would not be able to afford it. DIY is the way to go for me. Even some one shots I am getting comes out at around R50 for 100ml.
https://www.ecigssa.co.za/is-my-math-right.t71081/
https://www.ecigssa.co.za/is-my-math-right.t71081/
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