Advice to convert a cig smoker

[klipdrifter]

Hi there ladies and gents

So as some as you might have seen on other threads, I am going to England in May and since I told my girlfriend that England is such a vape friendly place it has given me the edge to try and convert her to vaping.

Now, the one thing she immediately said when the topic came up was that "Vaping doesn't give the same effect as cigarettes."

This is where I need your help guys, I was never a cigarette smoker so I don't know how to replicate the "effect" she is talking about here at the top. What I think it might mean is one of three things:

1. My 3mg Nic is too low for a cigarette smoker
2. The clouds on my Dvarw is to much and the airflow as well
3. Something to do with the Tar in cigarettes

With the above in mind I think what I need help with from you guys is this:

1. Stronger Nic strength (She smokes B&H which has 6mg tar and 0.6mg nic.) so not sure what Nic strength would be sufficient?
2. Getting an MTL RTA like the Taifun GTR which should replicate the tight draw of smoking an cigarette and reduce the clouds and airflow drastically. What do you guys think?
3. I don't know about tar and should I worry about it?

I am tagging a few people I have had the pleasure of dealing on this forum to hopefully start the conversation going.

Thanks for everyone's time to help me out here.

@Rob Fisher @CaliGuy @Larry @JoeM @Jp1905 @Silver

 

[RenaldoRheeder]

Get your missus a Twisp Cue Pod, they are cheap and for women smokers this is the best and most cost effective option.

My wife was exactly the same, doesn’t want clouds and must taste and draw like a cigarette. @CJB85 gave me a Twisp Cue that I passes on to my wife and she hasn’t looked back, she didn’t like the look, feel or taste of any of my MTL setups.

I also recently bought my nephew a Twisp Cue, he took to it from day one and has now been cigarette free for 8 days so the Twisp does work as advertised.

Added bonus a 2ml R45 pod last my wife around 10 to 12 days. Twisp is available in the UK should you need replacement pods.

Another great option is the Uwell Caliburn Pod, here you have the option of a refillable pod that supports MTL and Nic Salts eLiquids. I would still recommend you get the Twisp Tobacco #1 juice as the flavour is the closest match to a real cigarette. From there she can always upgrade to other flavored eLiquid. But the secret is to have a eLiquid the tastes as close to the real thing and here Twisp has hit the nail on the head with their Tobacco #1 juice.

Vouch for the Twisp Cue as a simple no-nonsense solution. Although it might not always stay as a permanent solution, it certainly has a high success rate for 1st timers. I have converted numerous smokers with the aid of the Cue. I normally have 2 - one that I use as a stealth vaping device occasionally and one on standby to give away when I bump into a smoker that is committed to giving up smoking (the last one a few days ago). I'm moving over to the Cliq now (also from Twisp) for the same purpose.


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[Resistance]

And you sir are a winner.
I didn't take to the Cliq pod at first. The tobacco taste is slightly different in the salts version but I can vouch that its really good once you get used to salts taste and the flavour becomes better.

 

[MrDeedz]

Bro i paid R65 a pod last week. Where did you get those pods for R45

Cue Pods are R45 at Twisp stands in malls mate. In Jozi that is.

 

[MrDeedz]

Snap @Larry !
Except I was a Rebel and Polar Mint fan. The combination of those two flavours, mixed up together was a major win

Haha my combo back in the day was Half Tank Tobacco 1 & Half Tank Blueberry, the Clearo days

 

[CJB85]

As @CaliGuy mentioned I used to own the Cue that now resides in his home.
If I may offer my 2c in this conversation (as someone who smoked for nearly 20 years and is coming up op 1 year stinky free), is that you need to take a very good look at both a device AND a liquid that works for you.
The cue was my go to when I was still on "want to smoke less", but I found the cue pods' flavour degraded very quickly (granted, I was a heavy smoker and am a heavy vaper). The scales eventually tipped for me when I got a little Pico and (initially) a Berserker MTL, so for me, the right device nailed it.

In my wife's case, she was a reluctant convert and smoked up until around Vapecon last year. She would vape some on my devices, but it never REALLY caught her. Then she tasted one particular juice at Vapecon and hasn't looked back, she now has a Gen, a Billet and has a Swag 2 on the way. She buys the particular liquid in bulk (600ml a shot) and doesn't look at other juices anymore. So in her case it was the juice that did the trick...

Long story short, go try all the Cliq and Cue products and see if any of the flavours really work for you, otherwise the device will be pointless.
If I recall, @CaliGuy's wife liked the "cigarette-like" way that the cue functioned and felt in her hands/mouth.
That being said, if you can get her a small setup with a really good MTL RTA, you can take care of the build part for her (I am responsible for everything apart from liquid fills on my wife's devices, lol) and I think she will get a much more satisfying vape from it.
As for the Nicotine, I was dead set on reducing the Nic content in my vapes to as low as possible and eventually to 0, but came to the conclusion that I still vape as much with or without the Nic, but the juice often dictates the Nic requirement (bear with me). I never get fidgety, agitated etc as is common with Nic withdrawal, my habit addiction is much more on the side of keeping my hands busy and I like the "inhale and watch the vapor" part of it, so I don't NEED high nic. However, I vape tobaccos at 12mg because the juice is just "better" at a high nic level, there is (this was advice from @CaliGuy and @GSM500 and they we spot on) a certain bitterness and a sting to high nic tobaccos that compliment the juice. In cigarettes, that sting and bitterness comes from (I assume) the fact that the smoke is hot and filled with tiny particles etc, but smokers get somewhat addicted to that throat hit too. I guess that is part of why she says vaping doesn't do the same for her.

So after a lot of waffling, don't try to make her commit to anything from the get go. Let her try as many things as possible, but ask her to pay attention to the details that make each device/style/juice good, bad or just meh. You will soon get a picture of what she is missing from the experience.
PARTING SHOT... you could seriously consider getting her an IQOS as a less harmful transition device while she is searching for a vape that works for her.

 

[klipdrifter]

As @CaliGuy mentioned I used to own the Cue that now resides in his home.
If I may offer my 2c in this conversation (as someone who smoked for nearly 20 years and is coming up op 1 year stinky free), is that you need to take a very good look at both a device AND a liquid that works for you.
The cue was my go to when I was still on "want to smoke less", but I found the cue pods' flavour degraded very quickly (granted, I was a heavy smoker and am a heavy vaper). The scales eventually tipped for me when I got a little Pico and (initially) a Berserker MTL, so for me, the right device nailed it.

In my wife's case, she was a reluctant convert and smoked up until around Vapecon last year. She would vape some on my devices, but it never REALLY caught her. Then she tasted one particular juice at Vapecon and hasn't looked back, she now has a Gen, a Billet and has a Swag 2 on the way. She buys the particular liquid in bulk (600ml a shot) and doesn't look at other juices anymore. So in her case it was the juice that did the trick...

Long story short, go try all the Cliq and Cue products and see if any of the flavours really work for you, otherwise the device will be pointless.
If I recall, @CaliGuy's wife liked the "cigarette-like" way that the cue functioned and felt in her hands/mouth.
That being said, if you can get her a small setup with a really good MTL RTA, you can take care of the build part for her (I am responsible for everything apart from liquid fills on my wife's devices, lol) and I think she will get a much more satisfying vape from it.
As for the Nicotine, I was dead set on reducing the Nic content in my vapes to as low as possible and eventually to 0, but came to the conclusion that I still vape as much with or without the Nic, but the juice often dictates the Nic requirement (bear with me). I never get fidgety, agitated etc as is common with Nic withdrawal, my habit addiction is much more on the side of keeping my hands busy and I like the "inhale and watch the vapor" part of it, so I don't NEED high nic. However, I vape tobaccos at 12mg because the juice is just "better" at a high nic level, there is (this was advice from @CaliGuy and @GSM500 and they we spot on) a certain bitterness and a sting to high nic tobaccos that compliment the juice. In cigarettes, that sting and bitterness comes from (I assume) the fact that the smoke is hot and filled with tiny particles etc, but smokers get somewhat addicted to that throat hit too. I guess that is part of why she says vaping doesn't do the same for her.

So after a lot of waffling, don't try to make her commit to anything from the get go. Let her try as many things as possible, but ask her to pay attention to the details that make each device/style/juice good, bad or just meh. You will soon get a picture of what she is missing from the experience.
PARTING SHOT... you could seriously consider getting her an IQOS as a less harmful transition device while she is searching for a vape that works for her.

Thanks for the detailed post. Will definitely use it

 

[Andre]

As @CaliGuy mentioned I used to own the Cue that now resides in his home.
If I may offer my 2c in this conversation (as someone who smoked for nearly 20 years and is coming up op 1 year stinky free), is that you need to take a very good look at both a device AND a liquid that works for you.
The cue was my go to when I was still on "want to smoke less", but I found the cue pods' flavour degraded very quickly (granted, I was a heavy smoker and am a heavy vaper). The scales eventually tipped for me when I got a little Pico and (initially) a Berserker MTL, so for me, the right device nailed it.

In my wife's case, she was a reluctant convert and smoked up until around Vapecon last year. She would vape some on my devices, but it never REALLY caught her. Then she tasted one particular juice at Vapecon and hasn't looked back, she now has a Gen, a Billet and has a Swag 2 on the way. She buys the particular liquid in bulk (600ml a shot) and doesn't look at other juices anymore. So in her case it was the juice that did the trick...

Long story short, go try all the Cliq and Cue products and see if any of the flavours really work for you, otherwise the device will be pointless.
If I recall, @CaliGuy's wife liked the "cigarette-like" way that the cue functioned and felt in her hands/mouth.
That being said, if you can get her a small setup with a really good MTL RTA, you can take care of the build part for her (I am responsible for everything apart from liquid fills on my wife's devices, lol) and I think she will get a much more satisfying vape from it.
As for the Nicotine, I was dead set on reducing the Nic content in my vapes to as low as possible and eventually to 0, but came to the conclusion that I still vape as much with or without the Nic, but the juice often dictates the Nic requirement (bear with me). I never get fidgety, agitated etc as is common with Nic withdrawal, my habit addiction is much more on the side of keeping my hands busy and I like the "inhale and watch the vapor" part of it, so I don't NEED high nic. However, I vape tobaccos at 12mg because the juice is just "better" at a high nic level, there is (this was advice from @CaliGuy and @GSM500 and they we spot on) a certain bitterness and a sting to high nic tobaccos that compliment the juice. In cigarettes, that sting and bitterness comes from (I assume) the fact that the smoke is hot and filled with tiny particles etc, but smokers get somewhat addicted to that throat hit too. I guess that is part of why she says vaping doesn't do the same for her.

So after a lot of waffling, don't try to make her commit to anything from the get go. Let her try as many things as possible, but ask her to pay attention to the details that make each device/style/juice good, bad or just meh. You will soon get a picture of what she is missing from the experience.
PARTING SHOT... you could seriously consider getting her an IQOS as a less harmful transition device while she is searching for a vape that works for her.

Dead curious as to the juice that did it for your wife @CJB85?

 

[CaliGuy]

Bro i paid R65 a pod last week. Where did you get those pods for R45

The new price on the pods is R45, I always buy them at the Engen Garages and my local Pick n Pay sells them for R50. There are still some stores that sell it for a much higher price.

 

[MrDeedz]

The new price on the pods is R45, I always buy them at the Engen Garages and my local Pick n Pay sells them for R50. There are still some stores that sell it for a much higher price.

Vape shops would put a markup on these yeah. So almost a week still going good, The stinkies cravings and desire is subsiding most def! I seen on another thread somebodies wife makes 1 pod last 10 to 12 days wow, i already finished 4 pods in 6 days . So yep not that cost effective but will keep pushing on with the 2 Cues for another 2 weeks before i gradually start switching between the RDA & Artery Pal as well. That Mango Ice was soo good I didnt even notice I finished that Pod in 1 day LOL. Need to re-stock again just now.

 

[Dela Rey Steyn]

Vape shops would put a markup on these yeah. So almost a week still going good, The stinkies cravings and desire is subsiding most def! I seen on another thread somebodies wife makes 1 pod last 10 to 12 days wow, i already finished 4 pods in 6 days . So yep not that cost effective but will keep pushing on with the 2 Cues for another 2 weeks before i gradually start switching between the RDA & Artery Pal as well. That Mango Ice was soo good I didnt even notice I finished that Pod in 1 day LOL. Need to re-stock again just now.

If a pod lasts you 2 days its still cheaper than the "High End Stinkies" that retail for R30-R40 Bucks at most retailers and garages.

 

[Resistance]

The new price on the pods is R45, I always buy them at the Engen Garages and my local Pick n Pay sells them for R50. There are still some stores that sell it for a much higher price.

I payed R65 at my local PnP. It was R50 but the price changed over a weekend.
As with the 20 bottles. Jumped from R190 to R210

 

[Resistance]

If a pod lasts you 2 days its still cheaper than the "High End Stinkies" that retail for R30-R40 Bucks at most retailers and garages.

True. Camel retail for anything from R45-R60 as with Mills , Consulate and some other popular brands. I think that's why the Cue pods price increased at PnP.

 

[CJB85]

Dead curious as to the juice that did it for your wife @CJB85?

@Andre without doing any undue promotion for a local supplier, the juice was Black Sparkle Ice from Thrifty Clouds.
She went through the stuff so quickly that she bought 600ml of it in late November... that is virtually gone and she is planning to stock up again ASAP.

It is a pretty close match to those Sparkles hard candies, of which she is also a big fan. I'm not particularly fond of it, I find it a tad too sweet, but it is a good juice. I got a sample of their Turk Ice Cream and that was pretty damn awesome.