Have you heard anything back @Andre?
Bad news on LG HG2s
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Sorry to hear that. I'm not sure if it is definitive proof, or just a general guideline at this point.
@Chezzig - The "silver labels" that Mooch refers to are the stickers on the batteries, not the insulators on the positive pole. He demonstrates in the pic that the third battery from the left has a silver label but for the life of me I can't really see much of a color difference from the others there. He also makes it clear that he has no way of knowing if the silver stickers are on all the fake / lower grade batteries.So are the silver insulators okay but not the white.. I got all mine from the same vendor, I have attached Pics blow, they are all whitewhat would be the recourse on this?
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I am really sorry that three of yours might be the bad ones (shiny white insulators)
As a matter of interest, I see that the one on the right has a different (font and format) sticker label from the other three. Is that by any chance the non-shiny insulator one?
I got mine from a very reputable vendor who would not sell counterfeit goods, so if mine are fake it would be unintentiontal, but I have a few of these batteries that are absolutely horrible. I read such great reviews and cannot understand how people seem to like it, but reading this I am quite sure that mine are not the real ones.
Suggestion: when it comes to batteries, it may be a good idea for vendors to have a standardised page showing original vs fake batteries and what to look out for. Something like every shop had when the Mandela notes were released.
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Suggestion: when it comes to batteries, it may be a good idea for vendors to have a standardised page showing original vs fake batteries and what to look out for. Something like every shop had when the Mandela notes were released.
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Yes, @Sir Vape is sending a courier to pick up my LG batteries and have them checked out! Great service indeed.
I agree with @Christos - According to Mooch: "The bad ones perform as really crappy 10A batteries and shouldn't be used above about 30W each. I recommend not using them at all though"
Some people actually use these in series mech mods such as the Noisy Cricket calculating safe builds for dual 20 amp batteries (hopefully with a healthy safety margin). In such instances (and if they are not aware that they have the 'bad' batteries), this might be a disaster waiting to happing with "crappy 10 Amp batteries", especially for those who build right on the edge of what would be considered safe, without a significant safety margin.
HI @Lingogrey ,@Chezzig - The "silver labels" that Mooch refers to are the stickers on the batteries, not the insulators on the positive pole. He demonstrates in the pic that the third battery from the left has a silver label but for the life of me I can't really see much of a color difference from the others there. He also makes it clear that he has no way of knowing if the silver stickers are on all the fake / lower grade batteries.
I am really sorry that three of yours might be the bad ones (shiny white insulators)
The one on the right with the different font is in fact the 'Good battery" with the non shiny white insulator.
Going to go back to the vendor I purchased from and see what thy say .
No doubt you (and the good sirs) will keep us posted.
Personally, I've had 5 of these LG2's and I'm now pretty sure, after reading this thread, that the 3 newest ones are the bad ones. (Bought from different vendors)
Wrote a whole spiel about my experience but decided to delete - will wait to hear the results after some testing.
WARNING !!! Fake LG HG2 brown batteries are doing their rounds in SA.
I received a batch of fake LG HG2 and it's very important that you check yours and make sure they are genuine. The fakes perform like a bad 10A battery and I've had a customer that was running them at about 16A in a noisy cricket and the battery wrap started melting !!!
The best way to tell for sure seems to be to check the white insulator around the positive pin and make sure that it's not glossy... It should be matt and have a slight texture. Run a pin over the insulator and feel for the texture, if it's glossy it's probably a fake.
I've taken some side by side pics of the 2 for you to compare with yours.
If you are uncertain or definitely have a fake, I would suggest contacting your vendor and don't use them until you are certain.
Running them beyond their safe limit is dangerous!!! Be safe guys
My supplier has great ethics and has chosen to recall all of the fakes and replace with genuines and will also pay for shipping to and from the customer, I just hope that all suppliers follow the same process.
Here is a very detailed article:
https://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-...an-you-identify-the-fake-lg-hg2-18650-battery
My weigh in:
Fake:
Authentic:
I received a batch of fake LG HG2 and it's very important that you check yours and make sure they are genuine. The fakes perform like a bad 10A battery and I've had a customer that was running them at about 16A in a noisy cricket and the battery wrap started melting !!!
The best way to tell for sure seems to be to check the white insulator around the positive pin and make sure that it's not glossy... It should be matt and have a slight texture. Run a pin over the insulator and feel for the texture, if it's glossy it's probably a fake.
I've taken some side by side pics of the 2 for you to compare with yours.
If you are uncertain or definitely have a fake, I would suggest contacting your vendor and don't use them until you are certain.
Running them beyond their safe limit is dangerous!!! Be safe guys
My supplier has great ethics and has chosen to recall all of the fakes and replace with genuines and will also pay for shipping to and from the customer, I just hope that all suppliers follow the same process.
Here is a very detailed article:
https://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-...an-you-identify-the-fake-lg-hg2-18650-battery
My weigh in:
Fake:
Authentic:
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Good post
What does confuse matters somewhat is..
I had a customer in here today with a battery with a silver sticker and a glossy insulator but everything else seemed to point to an authentic. It's performing as an authentic and weighs the same as an authentic.
The prudent question, if you have one with a silver sticker, I reckon is .. Is it performing as it should?
I had a customer in here today with a battery with a silver sticker and a glossy insulator but everything else seemed to point to an authentic. It's performing as an authentic and weighs the same as an authentic.
The prudent question, if you have one with a silver sticker, I reckon is .. Is it performing as it should?
Glad your supplier is supportive and you are assisting your customers. Way to go.
Some more info here: http://www.ecigssa.co.za/bad-news-on-lg-hg2s.t22653/#post-364452
Some more info here: http://www.ecigssa.co.za/bad-news-on-lg-hg2s.t22653/#post-364452
What does the insulator look like?
Impossible to tell from your pictures.
And therein lies the key... know your supplier so well that you know you can trust them without question. Luckily I have 2 suppliers that make sure they ONLY sell authentic batts ALWAYS. So I am very confident that all my LG HG2's are just that because they are were who they all came from long ago. And these batts always have/still are serving me very well.
I currently have a bunch of Samsung 25R's inbound from one of them for the Noisy Cricket's that will be here in a couple of days. My first buy of any Samsung branded batt. But since they both "made sure", I am comfortable in trying these out for what will be an acid test in these dual series mech's with some of the builds I will run on them.
I bought 2 of the LG HG 2's for the cricket.
Needle to say I trust the supplier and his intentions are always ethical.
I also don't mind getting fakes if the supplier owns up and 'recalls' batteries on the premis that customer safety is top priority.
My LG HG2's have proven to be very reliable batts. Originally bought to run all my 2015 Reo Woodvil's, but are what I have been running all my TC mods with instead since I seldom use the Woodies anymore. Almost bought a bunch more of the LG's or the new AW IMR 3000mAh 20A FT's, but decided to try out the 25R's instead.
I would mind getting fakes, so make sure that I won't when I buy.
Hi @ShaneW
Would you mind if I merge this thread with the other similar one that Andre posted above?
http://www.ecigssa.co.za/bad-news-on-lg-hg2s.t22653/#post-364452
Just to keep all the info on this issue together...
Would you mind if I merge this thread with the other similar one that Andre posted above?
http://www.ecigssa.co.za/bad-news-on-lg-hg2s.t22653/#post-364452
Just to keep all the info on this issue together...
I tend to run my batteries in like you would any new lipo I.E.
Perhaps 10 flights with minimal stunts increasing power gradually with each flight and recording the mah after each charge.
After 10 or so flights with charge you start going "full throttle".
I tend to do the same wit 18650s although I can't measure the mah as I don't have the equipment.
If I did get a fake I would most certainly pick it up.
There are lots of battery safety standards, most that I fully agree with, some that I don't. Just more of the personal choices everyone that vapes makes or should about all aspects of vaping. I made mine as being informed choices, I follow them and I am comfortable with them.
Stop the bus right here please.
Lots of the fake vs real info at the top is incorrect or highly subjective. Please take the time to read the full article quoted at battery bros. Sorry to have to say it but removing the wrapper is required to make a proper judgement based on appearance.
@ShaneW, please remove the image comparing the the white stickers on the outside of the battery. These are applied after the fact by the wholesalers as per IATA airfreight regulations and can take any format. It is also not mentioned anywhere by battery bros comparison.
Be careful of trusting the kitchen scale for measurements. The MSDS from LG which I compare our batteries against, shows the following:
Max 48 grams 44-45 grams actual. If you are within a gram of that you are likely already stretching the limits of kitchen scale accuracy.
The darker inner ring on the positive side is the easiest way to detect the real version together with the markings mentioned in the article, both of these require removing the insulator. Rubbing your nail against the white insulator will show if its smooth or not.
I would like to see all vendors affected by this please post the name of their wholesalers in China so that these criminals can be avoided. There is no middle layer between the manufacturer and the wholesalers so if the battery is fake the wholesaler is most likely responsible.
Lots of the fake vs real info at the top is incorrect or highly subjective. Please take the time to read the full article quoted at battery bros. Sorry to have to say it but removing the wrapper is required to make a proper judgement based on appearance.
@ShaneW, please remove the image comparing the the white stickers on the outside of the battery. These are applied after the fact by the wholesalers as per IATA airfreight regulations and can take any format. It is also not mentioned anywhere by battery bros comparison.
Be careful of trusting the kitchen scale for measurements. The MSDS from LG which I compare our batteries against, shows the following:
Max 48 grams 44-45 grams actual. If you are within a gram of that you are likely already stretching the limits of kitchen scale accuracy.
The darker inner ring on the positive side is the easiest way to detect the real version together with the markings mentioned in the article, both of these require removing the insulator. Rubbing your nail against the white insulator will show if its smooth or not.
I would like to see all vendors affected by this please post the name of their wholesalers in China so that these criminals can be avoided. There is no middle layer between the manufacturer and the wholesalers so if the battery is fake the wholesaler is most likely responsible.
There is a comment on the battery bro article noting that the 0's on the fake cell is different. It's clear to me too. Do u think this could be a definitive sign of a fake? If so, it could be the easiest way to tell.
No problem @Silver ...
@JakesSA The comparison was intended for the packaging as a whole, notice the difference in the boxes, even the phone numbers are different. All of the ones I have follow suit with the font of the sticker however the sticker was never intended to be the decider at all.
The intention with the scale is only to highlight the obvious weight difference between them but I do agree, I would not trust the accuracy
There are many variables in this unfortunately...
This is what happened to one of my customers using the fakes in his cricket for a day:
The wrap has clearly gotten hot and melted, I shudder to think what could have happened...
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