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FA Soho's warm, soft, caramel flavor fills out much of the caramelized brown sugar sauce, while its light tobacco notes replace the traditional cinnamon spice and put the "dirty" in Dirty Foster.
The vanilla from the FA Vanilla Bourbon and FA SOHO work very well together to add a nutty, caramel, almost brown sugar vanilla aspect to the bakery notes and the SOHO seems to work well in sweetening recipe as well.
Soho
This flavor is amazing giving this banana custard a complexity I didn't think was possible. Adding earthy nutty notes to the flavoring making it much more interesting.
Soho makes a great replacement for acetyl pyrazine (which it seems to be rich in). Helps to give a cooked effect, or a crust, to bakeries.
Go for it @RichJB , we'll close our ears.I'm thinking of mixing up some of the Beginner Blending Round 2 juices because they're mostly dessert banana cream recipes which is right up my alley. Unfortunately they all contain FA Soho which I'm not buying because it doesn't appeal to me and there's hardly anything else that uses it. Almost none of the entrants used it as a tobacco but more as a 'spice' or enhancer for their dessert recipes.
In his interview on the podcast, KRUCIAL said he likes the flavour but would still prefer to use TFA RY4 Double as a tobacco-ish note in a non-tobacco flavour. So I'm thinking I'll just sub Soho with RY4. They are both quite weak flavours, being commonly used at 7-10% where needed as a top note. So I think I'll just sub 1:1. My other option is just to leave it out but these guys are mixing at a level where leaving out ingredients is not likely to work.
Do you guys reckon the direct sub will work or is there some ghastly clashing chemistry that I'm Inawera (unaware of )? Only one way to find out, I guess. If there are loud spluttering noises from my general direction, you will know that it's not a great sub.
As @GregF I also use 1 for all concentrates. From what I have read, that is standard for most.So the candies for Wayne's competition are in, the judges were a bit disappointed and I can't make any of them anyway. So that's that.
While waiting for the podcast, I went browsing around the various vendors and found this handy TFA weight guide on the E-Liquid Concentrates website. I briefly flirted with the idea of going into DIY Juice Calculator and changing the weights of my TFA concentrates. I always just assign the standard PG weight of 1.036g per ml to all concentrates in my calculator. That is different from many of the TFA actual weights. Kiwi Double for eg has a specific gravity of 1.065 rounded up. So it's 0.03g (just over one drop) per ml out.
The OCD part of me wants to change the weights and have everything correct. But the real question is not the weights that I use - it's the weights that the recipe developer uses. I know that Wayne just uses 1ml = 1g, he doesn't bother with even the PG weight, let alone the specific gravity of each concentrate. So by using the specific gravity for each concentrate, all I'm doing is pushing myself slightly further away from what Wayne mixed, not closer towards it.
It's so slight that I don't suppose it makes a noticeable difference. For 100ml of Funfetti, Wayne will use 6g (6%) of Cap Sugar Cookie. Using my 1.036g specific gravity, I'd use 6.216g rounded up to 6.22g. That's a difference of 0.22g or around 9 drops. Are you going to detect 9 drops of SC difference in a 100ml batch? Probably not. But it's nine drops more than Wayne uses.
On the other hand, if I use a standard weight of 1ml = 1g, then I'm out in the other direction for mixers who use 1.036g, and maybe even more so for the few mixers who use the exact specific gravity. Which is the best? Does it matter? I'm inclined to think not, and will just stick with the 1.036.
So the candies for Wayne's competition are in, the judges were a bit disappointed and I can't make any of them anyway. So that's that.
While waiting for the podcast, I went browsing around the various vendors and found this handy TFA weight guide on the E-Liquid Concentrates website. I briefly flirted with the idea of going into DIY Juice Calculator and changing the weights of my TFA concentrates. I always just assign the standard PG weight of 1.036g per ml to all concentrates in my calculator. That is different from many of the TFA actual weights. Kiwi Double for eg has a specific gravity of 1.065 rounded up. So it's 0.03g (just over one drop) per ml out.
The OCD part of me wants to change the weights and have everything correct. But the real question is not the weights that I use - it's the weights that the recipe developer uses. I know that Wayne just uses 1ml = 1g, he doesn't bother with even the PG weight, let alone the specific gravity of each concentrate. So by using the specific gravity for each concentrate, all I'm doing is pushing myself slightly further away from what Wayne mixed, not closer towards it.
It's so slight that I don't suppose it makes a noticeable difference. For 100ml of Funfetti, Wayne will use 6g (6%) of Cap Sugar Cookie. Using my 1.036g specific gravity, I'd use 6.216g rounded up to 6.22g. That's a difference of 0.22g or around 9 drops. Are you going to detect 9 drops of SC difference in a 100ml batch? Probably not. But it's nine drops more than Wayne uses.
On the other hand, if I use a standard weight of 1ml = 1g, then I'm out in the other direction for mixers who use 1.036g, and maybe even more so for the few mixers who use the exact specific gravity. Which is the best? Does it matter? I'm inclined to think not, and will just stick with the 1.036.
When I first started mixing by weight I went out and Google the specific weights of my Vg, Pg and NIC. And discovered a thread with every TFA flavour and it's weight. It drove me nuts to find some flavours are heavier than others.So the candies for Wayne's competition are in, the judges were a bit disappointed and I can't make any of them anyway. So that's that.
While waiting for the podcast, I went browsing around the various vendors and found this handy TFA weight guide on the E-Liquid Concentrates website. I briefly flirted with the idea of going into DIY Juice Calculator and changing the weights of my TFA concentrates. I always just assign the standard PG weight of 1.036g per ml to all concentrates in my calculator. That is different from many of the TFA actual weights. Kiwi Double for eg has a specific gravity of 1.065 rounded up. So it's 0.03g (just over one drop) per ml out.
The OCD part of me wants to change the weights and have everything correct. But the real question is not the weights that I use - it's the weights that the recipe developer uses. I know that Wayne just uses 1ml = 1g, he doesn't bother with even the PG weight, let alone the specific gravity of each concentrate. So by using the specific gravity for each concentrate, all I'm doing is pushing myself slightly further away from what Wayne mixed, not closer towards it.
It's so slight that I don't suppose it makes a noticeable difference. For 100ml of Funfetti, Wayne will use 6g (6%) of Cap Sugar Cookie. Using my 1.036g specific gravity, I'd use 6.216g rounded up to 6.22g. That's a difference of 0.22g or around 9 drops. Are you going to detect 9 drops of SC difference in a 100ml batch? Probably not. But it's nine drops more than Wayne uses.
On the other hand, if I use a standard weight of 1ml = 1g, then I'm out in the other direction for mixers who use 1.036g, and maybe even more so for the few mixers who use the exact specific gravity. Which is the best? Does it matter? I'm inclined to think not, and will just stick with the 1.036.
When I first started mixing by weight I went out and Google the specific weights of my Vg, Pg and NIC. And discovered a thread with every TFA flavour and it's weight. It drove me nuts to find some flavours are heavier than others.
My OCD plagued me and in the end I averaged the entire weights column and use the average, 1.038g/ml. This appeased the God's and my OCD let's me now sleep at night.
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Lol @Greyz - loved that post. Hehe
Whats the variance of the weights per ml of the different flavours?
Do they vary quite a lot or by a small percentage?
They vary quite a bit actually, below are the 2 examples of the lightest and heaviest, a difference of +-0.250 is quite a big difference (25% give or take)
BlackTea TFA 0.8137
VanillaBeanIceCream TFA 1.0623
I can email the spreadsheet if you wish just PM me your email addy and I'll send it through.
Oh wow, thats quite a big variance!!
I would have thought it would not have varied that much
If your average was 1.03 it means that most were probably from 1.02 to 1.04 with the 0.81 BlackTea probably being an outlier...
Interesting, thanks @Greyz - will get the spreadsheet when im ready. Lol, dont ask me when that will be
It's something which the DIY community should standardise imo. As long as the recipe creator and the DIYer use the same assumed weight, all will be fine. Even if it's wrong, at least it will be consistently wrong and allow the DIYer to recreate the original juice that the mixer created. Seeing as some apps don't allow the user to add specific weights for different concentrates, I would think that a straight 1:1 is the easiest - 1ml of concentrate weighs 1g. Then everybody knows what the standard is and can adjust accordingly.
It's something which the DIY community should standardise imo. As long as the recipe creator and the DIYer use the same assumed weight, all will be fine. Even if it's wrong, at least it will be consistently wrong and allow the DIYer to recreate the original juice that the mixer created. Seeing as some apps don't allow the user to add specific weights for different concentrates, I would think that a straight 1:1 is the easiest - 1ml of concentrate weighs 1g. Then everybody knows what the standard is and can adjust accordingly.
The standard/convention is to have the specific weights for your PG, VG and Nic, but concentrates are based on 1ml = 1g. The vast majority of recipes are presented on this basis.This is very interesting, thanks @RichJB
So if i am understanding you correctly:
The "norm" is to quote recipes in percentages and it usually refers to percentage by volume
But when we mix, we usually mix with a scale - so we are mixing by weight
Its fine if we are all working on the same volume to weight conversion for the concentrates.
The question is - when I read recipes in these threads, how do i know if the original creator was using volume or weight to arrive at the percentage? Is that supposed to be quoted anywhere? Or whether they have used a blanket 1g per ml specific gravity or unique specific gravities for each concentrate. Is that recorded anywhere? I havent seen it mentioned.