Calling all DIY'ers

[jones123]

http://www.steam-engine.org/juice.asp


TE="Imthiaz Khan, post: 329506, member: 733"]So i mixed my first DIY juice last night which was the recipe posted by @rogue zombie
Thank you for the recipe @rogue zombie
! The mix smells delicious! Just like the original Monster Melons. I'm sure this is going to be a winner!

If I want to make a 30ml of this recipe, would i just have to multiply the ingredients by 3?

The mix I made was plain VG/PG. Can I still add Nic to it? If so, how do I calculate how much I need to add?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

 

[rogue zombie]

So i mixed my first DIY juice last night which was the recipe posted by @rogue zombie
Thank you for the recipe @rogue zombie
! The mix smells delicious! Just like the original Monster Melons. I'm sure this is going to be a winner!

If I want to make a 30ml of this recipe, would i just have to multiply the ingredients by 3?

The mix I made was plain VG/PG. Can I still add Nic to it? If so, how do I calculate how much I need to add?

Thanks!

Ya you can still ad nic, but it won't work out exactly right, since your mix was precalculated.

Im not sure about the maths as I always use ejuice me up calculator

 

[acorn]

So i mixed my first DIY juice last night which was the recipe posted by @rogue zombie
Thank you for the recipe @rogue zombie
! The mix smells delicious! Just like the original Monster Melons. I'm sure this is going to be a winner!

If I want to make a 30ml of this recipe, would i just have to multiply the ingredients by 3?

The mix I made was plain VG/PG. Can I still add Nic to it? If so, how do I calculate how much I need to add?

Thanks!

http://ejuice.breaktru.com/
As @rogue zombie said, on the calculater enter your PG/VG Ratio, Nic strenghth and volume to be made. Then add the flavour percentages and the calculater will work out the percentage ratio's in ml/drops/grams.
Welcome to DIY Enjoy

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

Thank you @rogue zombie and @acorn for the response!
Appreciated!

 

[rogue zombie]

Thank you @rogue zombie and @acorn for the response!
Appreciated!

Hope you enjoy it

I like it a lot this way.

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

Thanks @rogue zombie! I'm sure I will
Will let you know when I try it...giving it a week or 2 to steep

 

[NewOobY]

So i mixed my first DIY juice last night which was the recipe posted by @rogue zombie
Thank you for the recipe @rogue zombie
! The mix smells delicious! Just like the original Monster Melons. I'm sure this is going to be a winner!

If I want to make a 30ml of this recipe, would i just have to multiply the ingredients by 3?

The mix I made was plain VG/PG. Can I still add Nic to it? If so, how do I calculate how much I need to add?

Thanks!

Hey man, I've read about this exact thing - and the answer is yes you can add nic later. As rogue stated, if you planned on making a 70/30 mix it will become more like a 65/35 mix now depending on the type of nic. I based that example of using PG nic, you can do the maths to maintain the 70/30 by adding VG along with the nic - but then of course you would be reducing the flavor concentrate. So everything that you already added drops by a little. Sorry I started speaking in circles here - but I'm sure you catch my drift.

Remember it all depends on how accurate you want to be, if you want to be 100% precise then use a calculator - the ejuice me up calculator is amazing.

Ya you can still ad nic, but it won't work out exactly right, since your mix was precalculated.

Im not sure about the maths as I always use ejuice me up calculator

Very good suggestion, I find the calculator easy to use and pretty accurate when using the ml suggestions - I find the drops to be slightly out, especially when I mix the methods up. Example I mainly use ml with syringes, but then for some really small amounts I use drops which puts everything out of sync.

 

[Viper_SA]

Easy solution, mix by weight. No more messy syringes. I hated that.

 

[MorneW]

I've recently started using this calculator. It keeps track of ingredient inventory. Calculates cost, has a build it shopping list. You can filter recipes by available inventory etc. Liking it a lot. Give it a try

 

[Ezekiel]

I've recently started using this calculator. It keeps track of ingredient inventory. Calculates cost, has a build it shopping list. You can filter recipes by available inventory etc. Liking it a lot. Give it a try

Cool thanks - Ill give it a shot!

Hey man, I've read about this exact thing - and the answer is yes you can add nic later. As rogue stated, if you planned on making a 70/30 mix it will become more like a 65/35 mix now depending on the type of nic. I based that example of using PG nic, you can do the maths to maintain the 70/30 by adding VG along with the nic - but then of course you would be reducing the flavor concentrate. So everything that you already added drops by a little. Sorry I started speaking in circles here - but I'm sure you catch my drift.

Remember it all depends on how accurate you want to be, if you want to be 100% precise then use a calculator - the ejuice me up calculator is amazing.


Very good suggestion, I find the calculator easy to use and pretty accurate when using the ml suggestions - I find the drops to be slightly out, especially when I mix the methods up. Example I mainly use ml with syringes, but then for some really small amounts I use drops which puts everything out of sync.

If you are mixing at 3 mg/ml nic, then it will be 67/33 without the nic, and your flavours, at lets say 10% in the final mix, will be negligibly adjusted (10.3 % without the nic) - so what you taste is what you'll get eventually. That said, certain flavours actually changes a bit when steeped together with nic, but that's also great, because doing it this way around you'll get an idea of what the nic is actually doing to your flavours.

I also cannot recommend mixing by weight enough, if you are willing to invest in a scale. If nothing else, it will cut down the time needed for mixing by a large amount, and you can afford to quickly and easily make many samplers or variation of juices.

Lastly, if you are mixing by drops (or partially mixing by drops - especially mixing flavours), I also would suggest that you make the initial effort and calibrate your drops. In other words, if you are anyway going to add at least 1 ml of a flavour from a specific type of bottle, measure the amount exactly and then count how many drops it takes you to add that 1 ml. (Or, if mixing by weight, how many drops gives you 1 or 0.5 gram). Do this a few times to get an average for that bottle type, and eventually you can add small amounts of flavours with good accuracy using drops.

EJuice-Me-Up also gives you the option for callibrating the number of drops to a ml. For instance, I've found that for most of the small nippled bottles from Vapour Valley, I get about 32-34 drops per ml, rather than the default 20:

 

[NewOobY]

Cool thanks - Ill give it a shot!



If you are mixing at 3 mg/ml nic, then it will be 67/33 without the nic, and your flavours, at lets say 10% in the final mix, will be negligibly adjusted (10.3 % without the nic) - so what you taste is what you'll get eventually. That said, certain flavours actually changes a bit when steeped together with nic, but that's also great, because doing it this way around you'll get an idea of what the nic is actually doing to your flavours.

I also cannot recommend mixing by weight enough, if you are willing to invest in a scale. If nothing else, it will cut down the time needed for mixing by a large amount, and you can afford to quickly and easily make many samplers or variation of juices.

Lastly, if you are mixing by drops (or partially mixing by drops - especially mixing flavours), I also would suggest that you make the initial effort and calibrate your drops. In other words, if you are anyway going to add at least 1 ml of a flavour from a specific type of bottle, measure the amount exactly and then count how many drops it takes you to add that 1 ml. (Or, if mixing by weight, how many drops gives you 1 or 0.5 gram). Do this a few times to get an average for that bottle type, and eventually you can add small amounts of flavours with good accuracy using drops.

EJuice-Me-Up also gives you the option for callibrating the number of drops to a ml. For instance, I've found that for most of the small nippled bottles from Vapour Valley, I get about 32-34 drops per ml, rather than the default 20:

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Flip thanks for the info dude, really appreciate it. This is going to sound stupid, but I really didn't know that nicotine had an impact with the flavor. So would you recommend mixing the nic in from the get go - or first let it steep a while before adding the nic?

 

[cam]

Newooby, that depends, if you are speed steeping at all, then add the nick later. Nick doesnt like heat.
However if you are doing a natural steep in a cool environment it wont make such a difference. If you want to be safe then steeping pre nic wont ever do you any harm, as long as you make sure that when you do add the nic it gets properly blended as to avoid nic hotspots.

 

[Ezekiel]

Flip thanks for the info dude, really appreciate it. This is going to sound stupid, but I really didn't know that nicotine had an impact with the flavor. So would you recommend mixing the nic in from the get go - or first let it steep a while before adding the nic?

Yeah, that hit me by surprise initially as well - but it makes sense. Afterall, nicotine is a chemically reactive compound and a mild reducing agent (I think - which is why it gets oxidized easily) and Nicotine will easily change the colour of your juice. (Try mixing a batch without nicotine - it will usually be clearless. Add nicotine, and a day or two later some colour will develop). You'll actually notice a change in certain flavours with increasing nic strength as well. Luckily its not a lot - I've noticed a tobacco (Virigina TFA) change with increasing nic strength, as well as FA cookie and (for whatever reason) TFA Mango, but those were the only ones my meagre taste buds could pick up.

Personally, I don't bother mixing without nic, since regardless, I'm going to be vaping with nic anyway. It gets a bit annoying sometimes if you're trying to figure out a recipe through single components (which I usually just mix with a premix VG/PG base, don't bother with nic in order to speed things up) only to have some of the profiles change when you mix the final juice. However, it is generally not a bad idea to mix and steep without nic, and to only add nic once the primary flavours are done steeping. That way, you can know the exact effect of the nic on the juice, have a relative reference frame, and have an idea if you need to compensate with certain flavours (especially if you plan to make batches with different nic content). Nic is also the primary component which gives a max lifetime to a juice, so you can extend a juice's lifetime a bit by only adding nic later (which actually might be significant for long steeping juices, such as some tobaccos or custards). I know some of the professional (commercial) mixologists do it this way, adding the nic only before bottling and shipping.

 

[rogue zombie]

Newooby, that depends, if you are speed steeping at all, then add the nick later. Nick doesnt like heat.
However if you are doing a natural steep in a cool environment it wont make such a difference. If you want to be safe then steeping pre nic wont ever do you any harm, as long as you make sure that when you do add the nic it gets properly blended as to avoid nic hotspots.

Exactly this.

I don't heat steap, so I add nic while mixing. But I ruined plenty juices when I started, just because I didn't know nic doesn't do heat.

 

[NewOobY]

Firstly thanks @Ezekiel ,@cam and @rogue zombie you guys have really made it easier for me to transition into DIY-ing, you guys always post excellent advise. So thanks - I really and truly appreciate it, I am pretty sure many other people appreciate your guys assistance too...

Newooby, that depends, if you are speed steeping at all, then add the nick later. Nick doesnt like heat.
However if you are doing a natural steep in a cool environment it wont make such a difference. If you want to be safe then steeping pre nic wont ever do you any harm, as long as you make sure that when you do add the nic it gets properly blended as to avoid nic hotspots.

Yep, I have been doing a natural steep - but this month I will be getting a ultrasonic woot woot . Hopefully that will speed things up a bit.

Yeah, that hit me by surprise initially as well - but it makes sense. Afterall, nicotine is a chemically reactive compound and a mild reducing agent (I think - which is why it gets oxidized easily) and Nicotine will easily change the colour of your juice. (Try mixing a batch without nicotine - it will usually be clearless. Add nicotine, and a day or two later some colour will develop). You'll actually notice a change in certain flavours with increasing nic strength as well. Luckily its not a lot - I've noticed a tobacco (Virigina TFA) change with increasing nic strength, as well as FA cookie and (for whatever reason) TFA Mango, but those were the only ones my meagre taste buds could pick up.

Personally, I don't bother mixing without nic, since regardless, I'm going to be vaping with nic anyway. It gets a bit annoying sometimes if you're trying to figure out a recipe through single components (which I usually just mix with a premix VG/PG base, don't bother with nic in order to speed things up) only to have some of the profiles change when you mix the final juice. However, it is generally not a bad idea to mix and steep without nic, and to only add nic once the primary flavours are done steeping. That way, you can know the exact effect of the nic on the juice, have a relative reference frame, and have an idea if you need to compensate with certain flavours (especially if you plan to make batches with different nic content). Nic is also the primary component which gives a max lifetime to a juice, so you can extend a juice's lifetime a bit by only adding nic later (which actually might be significant for long steeping juices, such as some tobaccos or custards). I know some of the professional (commercial) mixologists do it this way, adding the nic only before bottling and shipping.

100% makes sense regading the nic - and I have observed this myself with regards to it changing the color of my mixes. I'm still very much into my custards and creams so I think they have a very long steeping period 2+ weeks - especially since I'm doing it el' natural. I do however smell and taste them every 3 days or so...

Exactly this.

I don't heat steap, so I add nic while mixing. But I ruined plenty juices when I started, just because I didn't know nic doesn't do heat.

I still have much to learn - Master Yoda of mixing , I probably forgot to listen to the part when they said heat is the factor that can mess a juice up that contains nic. I just totally forgot to hear/read that part when doing research. The little voice in my head would say "add nic later so you don't screw up your joose young padawan". Thanks for clearing that up

 

[rogue zombie]

Thanks to a thread posted by @Alex.... this Milk and Honey clone recipe seems pretty solid:

Milk and Honey

FW Graham Cracker 8% (can be subbed for TFA at the same percentage, according to comments)
TFA Marshmallow 3%
TFA Peanut Butter 1.5%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 2%
CAP V1 Custard 2%

 

[NewOobY]

Thanks to a thread posted by @Alex.... this Milk and Honey clone seems pretty solid:

FW Graham Cracker 8% (can be subbed for TFA at the same percentage, according to comments)
TFA Marshmallow 3%
TFA Peanut Butter 1.5%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 2%
CAP V1 Custard 2%

I was put off peanut butter vapes early in my vaping career, it was some cheap joose I bought - tasted like raw peanuts, and nothing like real black cat/skippy - I dont think the concentrate used to make that joose was TFA or any other brand I know.

So my question is, is TFA: Peanut butter closer to a black cat/skippy taste or is it a raw peanut taste?

 

[Ripstorm]

I was put off peanut butter vapes early in my vaping career, it was some cheap joose I bought - tasted like raw peanuts, and nothing like real black cat/skippy - I dont think the concentrate used to make that joose was TFA or any other brand I know.

So my question is, is TFA: Peanut butter closer to a black cat/skippy taste or is it a raw peanut taste?

Closer to an actual peanut butter taste. It's pretty creamy and I love it. a Recipe I love is:

Cheesecake (Graham Crust) (TPA) @ 4%
Peanut Butter (TPA) @ 5%
Strawberry (Ripe) (TPA) @ 6%
Vanilla Custard v1 (CAP) @ 2%

It's pretty much a PB&J sandwich. Very tasty

 

[rogue zombie]

I was put off peanut butter vapes early in my vaping career, it was some cheap joose I bought - tasted like raw peanuts, and nothing like real black cat/skippy - I dont think the concentrate used to make that joose was TFA or any other brand I know.

So my question is, is TFA: Peanut butter closer to a black cat/skippy taste or is it a raw peanut taste?

Lol... I don't actually know because I don't like peanut butter juices.

BUT this looks like it will just be a hint of peanut butter (judging by the percentage), so I might just give it a bash.
From what I've heard, Milk and Honey only delivers a slight nutty taste, so it might not matter what type of peanut butter TFA tastes like.

 

[Stevape;)]

Made a Chocmilk and Fudge brownie mix last night with creams and the like, shake like crazy.. Rewick my dripper to test a bit take a nice big hit. I almost died, was the worst tasting thing ever. Its going to be a very long time before I try that again.

So if anyone has a nice choc steri stumpi recipe please share

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

The PB&J sandwich recipe sounds lekker, going to try it Thanks @Ripstorm

 

[Ezekiel]

Made a Chocmilk and Fudge brownie mix last night with creams and the like, shake like crazy.. Rewick my dripper to test a bit take a nice big hit. I almost died, was the worst tasting thing ever. Its going to be a very long time before I try that again.

So if anyone has a nice choc steri stumpi recipe please share

I'm working on it as we speak... except that my DIY box is behind a long line of protesters. I've got the whole Steri Stumpi range planned, chocolate right through to cream soda. The first few came out great (bubblegum, caramel, banana), I'm not nailing the strawberry yet, and chocolate + cream soda I was planning to mix up this week. I don't want to post a recipe I haven't made yet, so sorry - can't help you out just yet.

However, my go-to base chocolate mix includes

FA Cocoa (0.5% to 2%)
FA Chocolate (0.5% to 2%)
TFA Double Chocolate (Clear) (4-8%)

The TFA Double Choc is a bit more chocolate cake, and relatively weak - but it adds nice top notes to the FA concentrates. The FA Cocoa is very grainy, dark chocolate, and the FA chocolate is like chocolate syrup. The two combined gives a nice chocolate, and I tend to use them combined to about 2%. If I want more dark chocolate taste, I use more cocoa (such as 1.5%), whereas for a more milk chocolate, the FA Chocolate takes the lead (such as 1.5%). To this I add about 3%-5% TFA double chocolate, for the top notes (as I said).

But with all that said - chocolate as a main note is surprisingly difficult to do! Any suggestions will be helpful as well.

 

[Stevape;)]

My choc milk was at 4% and fudge brownie 2% and a total of 3% of creams and vanilla. From what I see here now I should have gone way less on the choc milk as well as brownie
Am I rite in saying this?

 

[Stevape;)]

Almost all my juices are on the sweet side this mix was not sweet at all don't know if that was what put me off so much.

 

[cam]

afraid i agree with you ezekiel, and i find the fa coco choc combo id decent on a 1 + ohm coil at low temp as it scorches at a very low heat. Been trying to solve this myself for quite some time. Not in love with Hic"s swiss bliss idea either. I do agree that Ap can add something to chocolate, but in a much more conservative dose than hics recommendation of 1.5 to 2%.
I have not given up, but the secret to a real ( Not confectionery) choc eludes me.