For me personally, cloning a juice is perfectly fine. At the end of the day it's only a RECIPE. Making crumbed chicken at home doesn't necessarily mean you're ripping KFC off. But these clones are shady with no guarantee of ingredients. 99% of us Vape as a healthier alternative why would you then risk Vaping some unknown concoction to save a buck? Might as well go buy a packet of 20.
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Agreed. Clones are good, half my DIY recipes are clones of premium juices.
Like with your KFC example, there isn't an issue with someone selling fried chicken, the issue is that someone in a flea market is selling a supposedly KFC bucket of chicken for R30 vs R200. It looks similar, it tastes close enough, but are those breadcrumbs maybe made out of sawdust and is that chicken fresh and not way past the sell by date? Probably not.
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So is a Hadaly clone a clone or a fake? It's marketed with the same name and packaging as the original and I imagine numbers of people have bought them not understanding the meaning of the word 'styled' in the product name. Would it be OK if counterfeit juices added the word 'styled' on the label?
Of course, there is the additional factor that hardware cloners know the exact dimensions/materials/specs of the original, juice cloners don't know the specs of the original recipe. So hardware is a faithful reproduction of the original, juice is an educated guess. It's a complicated issue.
Of course, there is the additional factor that hardware cloners know the exact dimensions/materials/specs of the original, juice cloners don't know the specs of the original recipe. So hardware is a faithful reproduction of the original, juice is an educated guess. It's a complicated issue.
Sure. But it's a bit harder to hide drain cleaner in an RDA than it is in a juice.
(Extreme example, I know - but a clone/fake/copy/styled atty is very unlikely to cause harm because there are only so many unknowns that can be in there.. compared to a juice that consists entirely of unknowns & directly inhaled substances)
Would I buy a clone atty? Sure, barring the entire thing made of lead or heavy metal, it's fine.
Would I buy a clone commercial Smok coil? No, as I can't trust the coil wire or the cotton
Would I buy a fake juice? Hell no, as I can't trust *anything* in there.
This just addresses the safety issues. There are ethical issues too but as we all know, that's a meaningless argument as there's strong debate from all sides and no clear winner, ever. Even when I buy styled atties, I'm not comfortable with them using the logo's of the original manufacturers. In fact I think it would've been better to just come right out and brand it as a styled atty from the beginning. But then again, I don't feel so strongly about it that I have to spend hours defending or attacking the point. It's something, it works, it's safe, whatever. You all know me as someone who easily goes "eh, let them be" when one group (whichever group) gets upset at another
I think we're slightly getting off-topic from the original fake juice discussion though
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At least we all know (for a fact, without any doubt) that every single LOCAL juice maker , uses top quality ingredients and all juices are made in a "lab" or extremely clean environment of some kind hey 
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At least we all know (for a fact, without any doubt) that every single LOCAL juice maker , uses top quality ingredients and all juices are made in a "lab" or extremely clean environment of some kind hey
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Oh oh and also neither any one them cuts any corners in their mass manufacturing processes
Who knows. By far the most of them are probably manufactured in clean rooms, but I will certainly agree to your point that at least "some" of them aren't.
But at least if something happens you know who to hold accountable. The maker of the juice. Hence they're also less likely to take silly risks and add diesel to their juice or whatever.
With a fake juice, who is accountable? No one. Well, the guy who mixed the fake. Good luck finding him.
Gosh this industry desperately needs regulation.
But at least if something happens you know who to hold accountable. The maker of the juice. Hence they're also less likely to take silly risks and add diesel to their juice or whatever.
With a fake juice, who is accountable? No one. Well, the guy who mixed the fake. Good luck finding him.
Gosh this industry desperately needs regulation.
I bought a cloned chalice, put a coil in it, reads 0.8. Fired twice on my reo, fried my battery. Couldve lost a hand or worse, my faceSure. But it's a bit harder to hide drain cleaner in an RDA than it is in a juice.
(Extreme example, I know - but a clone/fake/copy/styled atty is very unlikely to cause harm because there are only so many unknowns that can be in there.. compared to a juice that consists entirely of unknowns & directly inhaled substances)
Would I buy a clone atty? Sure, barring the entire thing made of lead or heavy metal, it's fine.
Would I buy a clone commercial Smok coil? No, as I can't trust the coil wire or the cotton
Would I buy a fake juice? Hell no, as I can't trust *anything* in there.
This just addresses the safety issues. There are ethical issues too but as we all know, that's a meaningless argument as there's strong debate from all sides and no clear winner, ever. Even when I buy styled atties, I'm not comfortable with them using the logo's of the original manufacturers. In fact I think it would've been better to just come right out and brand it as a styled atty from the beginning. But then again, I don't feel so strongly about it that I have to spend hours defending or attacking the point. It's something, it works, it's safe, whatever. You all know me as someone who easily goes "eh, let them be" when one group (whichever group) gets upset at another
I think we're slightly getting off-topic from the original fake juice discussion though
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