Concentrates and Price
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There shouldn't even be a need to state the ratio in full. Unless you're living in some parallel universe where the totality of something doesn't equal 100%, just saying "70 VG" should suffice. What would the other figure be if not 30, and what substance would it be if not PG?
Water?
(Not that uncommon a practice, albeit not so much under DIY'ers)
Dunno, I can't recall ever reading a recipe that gave a ratio for water. DIYers have added some off-the-wall stuff like actual tonic water or lime juice but then it's listed as an ingredient. It's also usually in such tiny amounts that it isn't deemed to have an effect on the VG/PG ratio. Using Cly flavours means you won't have a pure 70/30 or whatever ratio as they aren't in either a PG or VG base. So a recipe with 5% Cly total flavouring might be 70 VG, 25 PG and 5 "other". But I don't think it has a significant effect on the juice. I'd just mix a Cly-only recipe to my usual 60/40.
No the bigger producers do use dilutants for their PG-free juices (marketed at those who are allergic to PG). But that's in the minority.. I'm just using it as an example of the 30% not always being PG
But you're right, simply writing 70vg is enough for our purposes, definitely.
Thanx for clearing it up guys!
I was always under the impression that 70/30 meant PG/VG... but having never sat down and mixed a drop in my life, I think my ignorance should be forgiven.
I will never forget that 70/30 refers to VG/PG.
I'm a linear thinker so in my mind, P comes before V in the alphabet hence my thinking of 70PG/30VG.
But, I've made a mental note that when it comes to mixing, V comes before P.
I also suffer, happily I might add, from, sometimes manic, OCD.
You guys have no idea how my OCD starts to tingle when I watch videos that, lets say, calls for 1.5ml of something, and the mixer adds 1.57ml of that ingredient and says "it's acceptable".
This makes my blood boil. But... I'm OCD
I was always under the impression that 70/30 meant PG/VG... but having never sat down and mixed a drop in my life, I think my ignorance should be forgiven.
I will never forget that 70/30 refers to VG/PG.
I'm a linear thinker so in my mind, P comes before V in the alphabet hence my thinking of 70PG/30VG.
But, I've made a mental note that when it comes to mixing, V comes before P.
I also suffer, happily I might add, from, sometimes manic, OCD.
You guys have no idea how my OCD starts to tingle when I watch videos that, lets say, calls for 1.5ml of something, and the mixer adds 1.57ml of that ingredient and says "it's acceptable".
This makes my blood boil. But... I'm OCD
Inaccuracy doesn't bother me much, within limits. Recipes are rounded out anyway. If a recipe developer says 2% of a concentrate, has he tested it at 1.9% and 2.1%? Can he say definitely that 2% is the exact percentage that works best, and nothing else will do? I doubt it. At worst, I think it will push a flavour fractionally more forward in the mix, probably to such a small degree that it won't be discernible.
It will make a difference with extremely potent concentrates. If a recipe says to use 0.1% of Flv Rich Cinnamon and you accidentally add 0.17%, you've almost doubled the potency. That will make a discernible difference. But going up from 2.5% to 2.6% isn't a biggie imo. For the less potent concentrates, recipe developers often work in half-percentages anyway. If 1.5% of a flavour isn't strong enough for them, they'll bump up to 2% straight away without testing anything in between.
This is also why you shouldn't take the given percentages as gospel. If you mix a mango peach strawberry and you aren't getting the peach, there's no rule against bumping it up by 1% next time you mix that recipe. Lots of mixers just use the given percentages as a guide and then tailor it to their palate. I don't care if "it's not the same juice that the recipe developer intended". I want my juice to taste right to me, not to him.
It will make a difference with extremely potent concentrates. If a recipe says to use 0.1% of Flv Rich Cinnamon and you accidentally add 0.17%, you've almost doubled the potency. That will make a discernible difference. But going up from 2.5% to 2.6% isn't a biggie imo. For the less potent concentrates, recipe developers often work in half-percentages anyway. If 1.5% of a flavour isn't strong enough for them, they'll bump up to 2% straight away without testing anything in between.
This is also why you shouldn't take the given percentages as gospel. If you mix a mango peach strawberry and you aren't getting the peach, there's no rule against bumping it up by 1% next time you mix that recipe. Lots of mixers just use the given percentages as a guide and then tailor it to their palate. I don't care if "it's not the same juice that the recipe developer intended". I want my juice to taste right to me, not to him.
Well, not always. Depends on the guy writing it in the first placeI'm a linear thinker so in my mind, P comes before V in the alphabet hence my thinking of 70PG/30VG.
But, I've made a mental note that when it comes to mixing, V comes before P.
Noted... makes sense also.
Oh hell. Ok here is my DIY mixing journey and what I've learnt.
Plan your order. Order your order. Expect your plan to go wrong. Throw away your plan. Have fun.
Good and bad. It's all learning.
Plan your order. Order your order. Expect your plan to go wrong. Throw away your plan. Have fun.
Good and bad. It's all learning.
Lol... I love that!
I got so caught up with work and life in general, that I completely forgot to place my order. Items have been sitting in my cart since last week. Finally checked out now!
I'm in the opposite boat... For the second time of I was up at 11pm compiling an order (I don't know, it just ends up being the best time for me to do it)I got so caught up with work and life in general, that I completely forgot to place my order. Items have been sitting in my cart since last week. Finally checked out now!
Just got my tracking number from blck.
Going to have to mix this lot up, lock then up with a time lock and finish all my commercial jooses.
Ever heard of people who "mix by hand/eye?"
One guy I spoke with, was blowing smoke up his own @$$, telling me how awesome he is at mixing and that he doesnt even own any syringes or a scale coz he simply mixes by hand. I was like...
One guy I spoke with, was blowing smoke up his own @$$, telling me how awesome he is at mixing and that he doesnt even own any syringes or a scale coz he simply mixes by hand. I was like...
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If you count drops, you could. But drops are very inaccurate. Still, you could get a rough approximation. If you measure out, say, 40 drops per ml as a good average, it's just a case of mental arithmetic. If the recipe called for 0.6g of a concentrate, you would add 0.6x40 = 24 drops. It's much more accurate to use a scale, though.
But why would anyone insist on counting drops when you could simply buy a syringe...
I feel he was just being full of sheeeet!
Well you could come up with an amazing mix if you just do blind mixing, it's certainly possibly. However, good luck in ever being able to get that mix the same again.
Why would you buy a syringe when you can buy a scale that doesn't need to be washed after every use?
You're right, though, he was probably full of it and thought it would be impressive if he said he could mix by sight. Of course, I don't even need sight. I can mix blindfolded using only The Force and sensing changes in the gamma spectrum of the liquid. That's just me, though. I don't like to brag about it, okes might get jealous.
Not bad, I once stared at my bottle of VG for 13 minutes straight and it turned into Simply Cannoli. Right before my eyes. I tell everybody though, I even have a shirt saying "Do you even mix bro".
@playa4life welcome to the DIY club.
Thanx @Caveman
I think, the dude I spoke with, was feeling threatened that I was going to start DIY'ing. He was trying his best to discourage me from starting. He also wouldn't give anything away. I was simply making conversation and asked him about the nic he used. His response was simply "I use original nic which is intended for vaping." I asked "PG or VG based?" And still his response was "I use original 100% nic intended for vaping."
My BS filter was going off like crazy so I just smiled and waved.
His parting words to me before I forced myself out of that conversation was "People think DIY is easy, but it's not. It's very difficult."
My response "Kthnxbye"
I think, the dude I spoke with, was feeling threatened that I was going to start DIY'ing. He was trying his best to discourage me from starting. He also wouldn't give anything away. I was simply making conversation and asked him about the nic he used. His response was simply "I use original nic which is intended for vaping." I asked "PG or VG based?" And still his response was "I use original 100% nic intended for vaping."
My BS filter was going off like crazy so I just smiled and waved.
His parting words to me before I forced myself out of that conversation was "People think DIY is easy, but it's not. It's very difficult."
My response "Kthnxbye"
Well I can tell you one thing, if he was truly using 100% Nic, he is a braver man than I. That stuff is so potent you need a certified lab with extraction and ventilation equipment to safely use it.Thanx @Caveman
I think, the dude I spoke with, was feeling threatened that I was going to start DIY'ing. He was trying his best to discourage me from starting. He also wouldn't give anything away. I was simply making conversation and asked him about the nic he used. His response was simply "I use original nic which is intended for vaping." I asked "PG or VG based?" And still his response was "I use original 100% nic intended for vaping."
My BS filter was going off like crazy so I just smiled and waved.
His parting words to me before I forced myself out of that conversation was "People think DIY is easy, but it's not. It's very difficult."
My response "Kthnxbye"
There are times you can safely get away with mixing by "sight". Such as if you know you need to use a whole bottle of concentrate in one go. I had a colleague who vaped only CAP Harvest Berry. He used to mix his juice into empty Mountain Dew bottles, just dump a whole 10ml of concentrate in there and roughly throw in the right amount of PG and VG. At least he measured the Nic properly.
Speaking of Nic, I don't know how much research you have done on the forum and vendors etc, but personally I buy all my base from Clyrolinx. VG, PG and Nic I get from them. Their Nic is the smoothest I have found so far.
Will give them a try when my nic is up.
I bought from blckvapour. How is there's compared to yours?
I bought from blckvapour. How is there's compared to yours?
Perfectly good. They use Prime Nic, which is the standard Nic that goes around. I buy 500ml at a time so for me buying VG, PG and Nic at one place works out better.
So... Prime Nic is what everybody uses? There's no trade offs using Prime? It's as good as what any premium mixer would be using?
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