Counting coils.. consensus sought on wraps

[Hardtail1969]

So, I use a coil master coiling kit, the one in three parts, and I counted my coils as follows:

Once all is ready and the wire threaded, I align the writing on the barrel facing me, and start to turn, when it has completed one revolution, and the writing is facing me, that is one wrap, and so on for as many wraps as a want.

Then browsing the net, I found pics where the claim is say 4 wraps, but I count 3 and was told, yes but the ends each are half a wrap so it's a four wrap?

I then thought, let me ask here, how do you count wraps?


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[blujeenz]

If I make a 360 turn with my arms outstretched, I dont include the length of my arms in the equation.
Most of my leg ends are barely 5mm and I've never included them in the "number of wraps".

 

[zadiac]

 

[Hardtail1969]

Neither do I, but it seems that some do. So when a post says 6 wraps for such and such a build, how can you be sure you and the poster are counting the same?


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[daniel craig]

Correct way of counting. It would be do difficult to determine if the legs are actually half a wrap exactly on either side.

 

[Hardtail1969]

I count as in the pic. But some don't


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[Hardtail1969]

Well it seems we 3 agree


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[zadiac]

I count as in the pic. But some don't


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I guess it's everyone's choice how they want to count it. This is how I do, so...

 

[JsPLAYn]

I wouldn think it's really a big deal on howmany wraps.. as long as u achieve the resistance u aiming for etc.. just a thort?

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[craigb]

I'm a noob , I'm just relating what goes on in my head.

When I'm building I would call this a 4-anna-bit, because you have 4 complete wraps and effectively a half wrap extra to make the legs face the same way.

Then when I come over here to brag about how awesomely talented I am, I would call it 4 wraps.

Attached is what the Vape Tool app considers leg length and wrap count.

++++++ edit
I can't count. As @Scissorhands points out, it's actually a 3/4 not 4/5.

 

[Kuhlkatz]

Where the legs face the same way, some would refer to @zadiac 's example as a 4/3 wrap - 4 curves / wraps visible on the outside, 3 on the inner, and it excludes the legs.
For wraps where the legs end up 180 degrees or facing opposite ends, it would always end up in an equal amount of wraps, i.e. 4 or 4/4.

 

[Scott]

I guess it's everyone's choice how they want to count it. This is how I do, so...

I have perfected the art! I wrap a coil and count afterwards. If the last three coils were 6 wraps and tomorrow it's 7 then it's called experimenting!

 

[Scott]

I'm a noob , I'm just relating what goes on in my head.

When I'm building I would call this a 4-anna-bit, because you have 4 complete wraps and effectively a half wrap extra to make the legs face the same way.

Then when I come over here to brag about how awesomely talented I am, I would call it 4 wraps.

Attached is what the Vape Tool app considers leg length and wrap count.

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Being this technical would drive me insane. I will stick to experimentation.

 

[craigb]

Being this technical would drive me insane. I will stick to experimentation.

With just a little bit of practice, and a small donation to my bank account, I can guarantee you a degree of proficiency in the annabit methodology

 

[Scott]

With just a little bit of practice, and a small donation to my bank account, I can guarantee you a degree of proficiency in the annabit methodology

Perfect please send bank details I will do an EFT. LOL

 

[Scissorhands]

Ok let me stir the pot.

The coil pictured is not 3 wraps (And here's the kicker) nor 4 wraps! (bare with me for a second)

It is in fact 3.5 wraps but to simplify things lets call it a 3/4 or 4/3 wrap . . . Meaning you can see three wraps on one side and 4 on the other side

The only way to truly have a 3 or 4 wrap is if the coil legs are in opposite directions, as seen in some single coil decks (eg. Serpent mini / Hadaly / mage GTA)

 

[Scissorhands]

Where the legs face the same way, some would refer to @zadiac 's example as a 4/3 wrap - 4 curves / wraps visible on the outside, 3 on the inner, and it excludes the legs.
For wraps where the legs end up 180 degrees or facing opposite ends, it would always end up in an equal amount of wraps, i.e. 4 or 4/4.

Damit, i missed your post, there goes my thunder

 

[Huffapuff]

I'm a noob , I'm just relating what goes on in my head.

When I'm building I would call this a 4-anna-bit, because you have 4 complete wraps and effectively a half wrap extra to make the legs face the same way.

Then when I come over here to brag about how awesomely talented I am, I would call it 4 wraps.

Attached is what the Vape Tool app considers leg length and wrap count.

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When I started using mechs it became necessary to count wraps and I use this app. I send the wire over the bit and only start counting complete twists after that. I hit the number I'm looking for and then make the final "leg". I'm always very chuffed when I get the ohms I'm looking for

 

[Kuhlkatz]

Damit, i missed your post, there goes my thunder

Nope. Each post is an original, no matter what the order AND you have the pic for visual effect

 

[Silver]

I don't bother counting whether it's half a wrap extra or less - I just count how many wraps are visible from the top.

I can't easily count my 28g wire with a naked eye so after I've wrapped manually on the screwdriver I take a photo and just zoom in to check.

Like this



This one has 8 wraps. It was for my Lemo1. Legs go in opposite directions. Comes out about 1.2ohms. I use this method just to tweak to get the right coil. Have tried 6,7,8 and 9 wraps. And 8 seems to be the best for that atty and juice.

So it may actually be 7.5 wraps or 8.5 wraps. But I don't really care. To me it's 8 wraps on 'my spec'. I call that a 1.6mm ID 8 wrap 28g Kanthal. Then I know what that means. So I can repeat it if necessary.

Thank heavens for the camera and the ability to zoom in to check