Debunking COVID19 fake news.

[Hooked]

There’s nothing wrong in gargling with salt water. It’s a good antiseptic solution... it is commonly used to clean wounds but can also be used to clean the mouth and throat if you don’t have a proper mouth wash solution.

True - but I doubt that it could kill the virus. If only it were that simple ...

 

[leila_mcdonald]

There is definitely too much panic because of covid 19

 

[Grand Guru]

There is definitely too much panic because of covid 19

Would you explain?

 

[Hooked]

There is definitely too much panic because of covid 19

So thousands of deaths world-wide from something which is easy to contract is too much to panic about? I'd like to know what you would panic about then.

 

[alex1501]

So thousands of deaths world-wide from something which is easy to contract is too much to panic about? I'd like to know what you would panic about then.

When did panic solve anything? Solutions are needed, panic is only counterproductive.

 

[blujeenz]

There is definitely too much panic because of covid 19

I agree, back in 2009 with the swine flu there was no mass hysteria with mass buying of toilet paper, masks and gloves.
The only difference between then and now is how MSM have pushed Covid19 almost as a PR exercise .

Some quotes from specialists: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry. He also worked as Associate Dean of the Tel Aviv University Medical School and during the 1980s presented the science-based television show Tatzpit.

What he says:

Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.

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In every country, more people die from regular flu compared with those who die from the coronavirus.

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…there is a very good example that we all forget: the swine flu in 2009. That was a virus that reached the world from Mexico and until today there is no vaccination against it. But what? At that time there was no Facebook or there maybe was but it was still in its infancy. The coronavirus, in contrast, is a virus with public relations.

Whoever thinks that governments end viruses is wrong.

– Interview in Globes, March 22nd 2020

Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences. He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS).

He is also the editor-in-chief of the European Journal of Clinical Investigation. He was chairman at the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine as well as adjunct professor at Tufts University School of Medicine.

As a physician, scientist and author he has made contributions to evidence-based medicine, epidemiology, data science and clinical research. In addition, he pioneered the field of meta-research. He has shown that much of the published research does not meet good scientific standards of evidence.

What he says:

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

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Could the Covid-19 case fatality rate be that low? No, some say, pointing to the high rate in elderly people. However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes.

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If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.

– “A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data”, Stat News, 17th March 2020

 

[Hooked]

When did panic solve anything? Solutions are needed, panic is only counterproductive.

Ah, I understand. Yes, that's true.

 

[Hooked]

I agree, back in 2009 with the swine flu there was no mass hysteria with mass buying of toilet paper, masks and gloves.
The only difference between then and now is how MSM have pushed Covid19 almost as a PR exercise .

Some quotes from specialists: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

Hmmmm it does make for a different - and interesting - perspective.

I was actually thinking about the death rate earlier this evening. The USA has about 2,300 deaths to date, but what % is that of the total population?

 

[blujeenz]

Hmmmm it does make for a different - and interesting - perspective.

I was actually thinking about the death rate earlier this evening. The USA has about 2,300 deaths to date, but what % is that of the total population?

• The current population of the United States of America is 330,504,704 as of Sunday, March 29, 2020, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.
• the United States 2020 population is estimated at 331,002,651 people at mid year according to UN data.

 

[Hooked]

• The current population of the United States of America is 330,504,704 as of Sunday, March 29, 2020, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.
• the United States 2020 population is estimated at 331,002,651 people at mid year according to UN data.

Thanks for this @blujeenz. Deaths in the USA from Corona was 2,485 yesterday (Sun. 29 March) which is
0,000752% of the total population. The figures don't look so scary when one looks at it this way!

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

Uhm, why compare deaths with total population? The total population dont have the virus.
I think USA death rate from virus is close to 2%, so if you let virus go, you can loose 2% of population without the other "normal" deaths.
And these 2% death rates is just while countries can manage the sick. As soon as the numbers get to high for the healthcare system, then the death rate increase, like in Italy