Did legislation on e-cigs change?

[LandyMan]

Out and about with the fam and friends all over the place. Ended up at Waffle Restaurant @ Jasmyn, the big windmill just outside Harties. Asked for a non smoking table. The manager says they have one, but I am not allowed to "smoke that thing" (iStick with mAN) in the non smoking area. I explained to him that it is vaping and not smoking.

His response: e-cigarettes fall under the same legislation and laws as normal cigarettes.
Guess where we didn't eat

 

[BumbleBee]

Out and about with the fam and friends all over the place. Ended up at Waffle Restaurant @ Jasmyn, the big windmill just outside Harties. Asked for a non smoking table. The manager says they have one, but I am not allowed to "smoke that thing" (iStick with mAN) in the non smoking area. I explained to him that it is vaping and not smoking.

His response: e-cigarettes fall under the same legislation and laws as normal cigarettes.
Guess where we didn't eat

Legislation has not changed as far as I know. Was chatting with the manager of our local spur this weekend, he's also a vaper. According to their franchise policy vaping is classed as smoking (by spur, not legislation) because it goes against their family restaurant ideals and is thus limited to smoking areas. He told me they (head office) are going even further now and are going to be reducing the size of their smoking areas and removing tables and chairs to make it as uncomfortable as possible for smokers.

In your case @LandyMan I think you just encountered a restaurant owner who just blames someone else to get out of dealing with complaints from his non smoking clientele.

 

[Silver]

As harsh as it may sound, if I was a restaurant owner I would probably also not allow vaping in the non-smoking area

If I was a non smoker, non vaper, I wouldnt want someone next to me blowing clouds of vapour that had a smell of say, a tobacco flavour. I would complain.

I fully understand.

We need to be careful not to give vaping a bad name. For a number of years, we went outside for a smoke. We can go outside for a vape.

Just my view

 

[LandyMan]

As harsh as it may sound, if I was a restaurant owner I would probably also not allow vaping in the non-smoking area

If I was a non smoker, non vaper, I wouldnt want someone next to me blowing clouds of vapour that had a smell of say, a tobacco flavour. I would complain.

I fully understand.

We need to be careful not to give vaping a bad name. For a number of years, we went outside for a smoke. We can go outside for a vape.

Just my view

Silver, I agree, BUT don't quote legislation and laws if you don't know what's in them

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[Silver]

Silver, I agree, BUT don't quote legislation and laws if you don't know what's in them

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By the way, the breakfast at Jasmyn is quite amazing
Pity some guy's view on legislation meant you didnt eat there

 

[LandyMan]

By the way, the breakfast at Jasmyn is quite amazing
Pity some guy's view on legislation meant you didnt eat there

I did ask for a smoking table outside, but they were full ... so definitely not due to a lack of trying

 

[Paulie]

If i was a restaurant owner i would have a separate vaping area lol well i guess thats cause im bias

 

[Natheer Mallick]

I must say, I'm with @Silver on this one. I don't mind going outside, or sitting in a smoking section when I want to vape. Of my friends, there is one smoker, and I'm the only vape, so when we go out, we sit in the non-smoking section for our wives' sake, and step outside when we want to fill our lungs. I treat my vaping the same way I've always treated my smoking. I know it's not the point @LandyMan was making, it's just my view

 

[LandyMan]

I must say, I'm with @Silver on this one. I don't mind going outside, or sitting in a smoking section when I want to vape. Of my friends, there is one smoker, and I'm the only vape, so when we go out, we sit in the non-smoking section for our wives' sake, and step outside when we want to fill our lungs. I treat my vaping the same way I've always treated my smoking. I know it's not the point @LandyMan was making, it's just my view

I agree with you ... we sit outside in the smoking area every day at our local watering hole, I have no problem with it whatsoever ... same as I don't vape at my desk in the office.

I do have a problem however with an uninformed Manager at an establishment that quote legislation and laws that don't exist

 

[Natheer Mallick]

I agree with you ... we sit outside in the smoking area every day at our local watering hole, I have no problem with it whatsoever ... same as I don't vape at my desk in the office.

I do have a problem however with an uninformed Manager at an establishment that quote legislation and laws that don't exist

True. And to be honest, I would have done the same thing, instead of arguing with him about it lol

 

[WHITELABEL]

My girlfriend and I had brunch in Rosebank over the weekend and we sat outside in the smoking section, I may be turning into one of those horrible ex smokers, but the people smoking at the table next to me really bothered me. It's definitely not the same as vaping. I can quite happily eat my meal with someone vaping right next to me, trying to enjoy my meal with second hand cigarette smoke wafting into my face is another story entirely. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'm going to stealth vape in the non smoking section in future rather than sit outside with the stinkies.

 

[AndreFerreira]

I usually sit in the smoking area at a restaurant and vape, I don't expect non-smoker to be in my clouds. I do stealth vape while walking in the mall and shops though. But the other day a smoker was tuning me about blowing clouds in the smoking area, saying it stinks and it is fogging up the place (vaped Boba's bounty) I just left it and kept on vaping, so he called the manager and the manager asked me to stop using my device as it is upsetting customers. It was only him that was complaining.

 

[LandyMan]

I usually sit in the smoking area at a restaurant and vape, I don't expect non-smoker to be in my clouds. I do stealth vape while walking in the mall and shops though. But the other day a smoker was tuning me about blowing clouds in the smoking area, saying it stinks and it is fogging up the place (vaped Boba's bounty) I just left it and kept on vaping, so he called the manager and the manager asked me to stop using my device as it is upsetting customers. It was only him that was complaining.

Hahaha. Now that is just crazy!

 

[Silver]

I usually sit in the smoking area at a restaurant and vape, I don't expect non-smoker to be in my clouds. I do stealth vape while walking in the mall and shops though. But the other day a smoker was tuning me about blowing clouds in the smoking area, saying it stinks and it is fogging up the place (vaped Boba's bounty) I just left it and kept on vaping, so he called the manager and the manager asked me to stop using my device as it is upsetting customers. It was only him that was complaining.

Lol @AndreFerreira , Bobas at 100% VG is definitely bound to cause a stir with the clouds
Such a great juice!
I can just imagine

 

[BansheeZA]

One thing I can't seem to get in my head is some people willingly go out to places and being a smoker or non smoker and moan about a few hundred people around you. I mean ffs if you don't like people don't go out. There is not one person out there that does everything exactly like you.

 

[whatalotigot]

I usually sit in the smoking area at a restaurant and vape, I don't expect non-smoker to be in my clouds. I do stealth vape while walking in the mall and shops though. But the other day a smoker was tuning me about blowing clouds in the smoking area, saying it stinks and it is fogging up the place (vaped Boba's bounty) I just left it and kept on vaping, so he called the manager and the manager asked me to stop using my device as it is upsetting customers. It was only him that was complaining.

That is pathetic. You should have lodged a complaint about the twat who was smoking a stinker!!!

I usually get away with vaping in none smoking areas by blowing cloud under the table or in my jacket or what not. If im told to use the smoking section I let them know this isn't a cig. But don't argue. In the smoking section I go ahead and cloud chase hard. often pi$$ing off many smokers. I really don't care, The smoking are I can do what i want and sub-ohm as far as I want.. But Iv had many fat arguments with idiots who are purely attention seekers or jealous. Grinds my gears. I will continue to abide by restaurant rules. No Problem. But when someone comes up to me and starts making up BS and laws that are not real, I tend to get a little annoyed. I point quickly to the closest computer and say "Google it" genius!

 

[korn1]

It really is up to the establishment to let you vape or not...sadly

 

[Nibbler]

As harsh as it may sound, if I was a restaurant owner I would probably also not allow vaping in the non-smoking area

If I was a non smoker, non vaper, I wouldnt want someone next to me blowing clouds of vapour that had a smell of say, a tobacco flavour. I would complain.

I fully understand.

We need to be careful not to give vaping a bad name. For a number of years, we went outside for a smoke. We can go outside for a vape.

Just my view

100% Agree. We don't have to go in at full swagger and claim we're not smoking.
We know we're vaping, but that's never going to change the mindsets of other people, especially anti-smoking Nazis.

 

[360twin]

It seems to me that we are in need of a third classification: 'vaper's area'. I always sat in the non-smoking area in restaurants as I could never handle smoking and eating Now I find I cannot handle smoking at all - even standing outside, a whiff of tobacco smoke smells terrible.

I would quite happily eat in a 'vaping area', probably because I understand the process, but I have yet to smell offensive vapour. But I also understand that to the uninformed it appears like smoking, so I would avoid vaping in any area where it might seem offensive.

I think we all need to be a little sensitive to this issue, even though it may be largely based on ignorance.

I vape at my desk at work, but I am 'the boss'. None of my staff vape or smoke, but are only complimentary when remarking on it (usually, 'What flavour is that? It smells nice'). But I am in a separate office; not sure what it might be like sitting next to a 'cloud-chaser' all day

 

[KB_314]

I must say, I'm with @Silver on this one. I don't mind going outside, or sitting in a smoking section when I want to vape. Of my friends, there is one smoker, and I'm the only vape, so when we go out, we sit in the non-smoking section for our wives' sake, and step outside when we want to fill our lungs. I treat my vaping the same way I've always treated my smoking. I know it's not the point @LandyMan was making, it's just my view

I agree with both of you, BUT, I was travelling and in the airport had to vape in the very gross "smoking lounge". I don't want to vape in the general area, happy to have to go to a designated area just like smoking... but gimme a "Vaping Lounge"! Vendors... approach airports, seriously, lets see vapers lounges

 

[WHITELABEL]

I feel that it's our responsibility to normalise vaping. It's not the same as smoking and I refuse to be banished outside to stand with the stinkers. I would rather not vape at all. I literally vape wherever I go though, I was sitting in MTN Morningside for about 2 hours today vaping and nobody said anything. I'm not blowing huge clouds and fogging the place out so it's possible that most people didn't even notice, I just have a couple puffs on my reo or rose and then put it away. If I do get asked to stop "smoking", I look at them quizzically and politely tell them that it's not smoking, but if it's bothering them I will gladly stop.

 

[ashTZA]

I've found the only complaints I've received about vaping inside or bullshit about "oh I read in some magazine those things are worse than smoking" come from irate smokers.

Non-smokers have only ever been happy I'm not smoking.
Some have even asked me if they could try it; or mentioned how nice it smells.


This might be a silly argument but I think some smokers are so defensive about their smoking and don't want to quit; that they view vaping as a threat.

They've used the addiction & how "impossible it is" for them to quit; as justification for demanding their "right" to have public venues provide spaces to accommodate them.

But with vaping becoming a more viable, "sociably acceptable" alternative;
it threatens what little room they have to negotiate.

To pretend In a what if scenario: vaping becomes more mainstream and acceptable in public spaces; what little space is reserved for smokers could be taken away; or reserved just for vaping; as more smokers make the switch.

 

[Cat]

There is new legislation (amendments) to the [no smoking] law...in process? - that means that restaurants and bars will not be allowed to have smoking areas. No smoking in public space or within specific distance from public building, and that includes work places. No more standing outside the door to smoke. No more smokers deck and so on.
Vaping, you know what is going to happen - you know about the reactions like mentioned here and you know what the trend is with legislation. Once the bureacrat types get on to something, that's it - no amount of lobbying and so on has any significant effect.

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[Patrick]

Ivo Vegter - writer for Daily Maverick - posted an opinion piece yesterday. One of the most balanced articles on e-cigs that I have read. Here's the link: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opin...ig-pharma-want-e-cig-regulation/#.VH7HPpOUeIc

 

[Andre]

Ivo Vegter - writer for Daily Maverick - posted an opinion piece yesterday. One of the most balanced articles on e-cigs that I have read. Here's the link: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opin...ig-pharma-want-e-cig-regulation/#.VH7HPpOUeIc

Excellent article, thank you.