Did legislation on e-cigs change?

[Arthster]

I also thought that vaping was under the same laws as tobacco.

In my case though I enjoy the odd 10 minutes away from my desk at work, I just don't like it when they force me to go sit in the gas chamber.

I love my stroll-n-vape through the office garden... maybe a little to much at times

 

[Necropolis]

As harsh as it may sound, if I was a restaurant owner I would probably also not allow vaping in the non-smoking area

If I was a non smoker, non vaper, I wouldnt want someone next to me blowing clouds of vapour that had a smell of say, a tobacco flavour. I would complain.

I fully understand.

We need to be careful not to give vaping a bad name. For a number of years, we went outside for a smoke. We can go outside for a vape.

Just my view

I agree 1000%

There seems to be a mentality among many vapers that it is their right to vape where ever they please - restaurants, movies etc... And I believe that this is going to ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[WHITELABEL]

I agree 1000%

There seems to be a mentality among many vapers that it is their right to vape where ever they please - restaurants, movies etc... And I believe that this is going to ruin it for the rest of us.

I disagree, it's not smoking. I'm not blowing clouds in anyone's faces, my vapour smells far nicer than many people's perfumes and body odour, but I don't send them outside. If we act like criminals skulking around corners and vaping or by standing with the smokers then that's the perception we are going to create. If we vape inside and just practice a modicum of consideration by not blowing it on people or clouding out the place, I honestly think 99 percent of people wont mind. If you get asked to stop then do so, educate people by explaining it's not smoke, but don't be arrogant or disrespectful. This is how we go about making vaping socially acceptable in my opinion.

 

[Necropolis]

Just because you disagree doesn't mean that everyone else has the same opinion on the matter (those non-smokers, non-vapers).

Your thoughts on the smell are entirely subjective as well; just because you like it doesn't mean everyone else does.

I honestly think that brazenly vaping wherever you feel like is going to be detrimental to all vapers - and could even lead to vaping being tarred with the same brush that smoking is.

I refrain from vaping indoors where smoking is prohibited - just because I can doesn't really mean that I should.

 

[WHeunis]

I disagree, it's not smoking. I'm not blowing clouds in anyone's faces, my vapour smells far nicer than many people's perfumes and body odour, but I don't send them outside. If we act like criminals skulking around corners and vaping or by standing with the smokers then that's the perception we are going to create. If we vape inside and just practice a modicum of consideration by not blowing it on people or clouding out the place, I honestly think 99 percent of people wont mind. If you get asked to stop then do so, educate people by explaining it's not smoke, but don't be arrogant or disrespectful. This is how we go about making vaping socially acceptable in my opinion.

To be very blunt about it, there are some juices that smell like a horse's asshole on fire when vaped...
We can't expect restaurants to start carrying lists of what liquids are allowed and which are not.

Beyond that, if anyone attempts to chase me out of anywhere because of my body odour, which is due to a medical situation i can do nothing about - prepare to be skinned alive right on my table mothe*&^&^^%$#!

 

[WHITELABEL]

Just because you disagree doesn't mean that everyone else has the same opinion on the matter (those non-smokers, non-vapers).

Your thoughts on the smell are entirely subjective as well; just because you like it doesn't mean everyone else does.

I honestly think that brazenly vaping wherever you feel like is going to be detrimental to all vapers - and could even lead to vaping being tarred with the same brush that smoking is.

I refrain from vaping indoors where smoking is prohibited - just because I can doesn't really mean that I should.

Again I disagree. If you act like a smoker then people will treat you like a smoker. As you say, we each have our own opinion. I think the important thing is that we are courteous and respectful of others and take care to how we go about vaping. I think if you have an entitled aggressive attitude, that is going rankle people far worst than anything else.

 

[WHITELABEL]

To be very blunt about it, there are some juices that smell like a horse's asshole on fire when vaped...
We can't expect restaurants to start carrying lists of what liquids are allowed and which are not.

Beyond that, if anyone attempts to chase me out of anywhere because of my body odour, which is due to a medical situation i can do nothing about - prepare to be skinned alive right on my table mothe*&^&^^%$#!

Then as I say, if you get asked to stop, then do so. The point is not shove it in anyone's faces or force them to accept us, it's to show that we have a cleaner, healthier, better alternative to smoking and we want to be able to do the same things as our non-smoking peers without being banished outside into the cold. The aim is to normalise the behaviour, not to become a different kind of smoker.

 

[Arthster]

Both parties have valid points and I agree that it would be excellent to enjoy the things my peers do without having to run to an abandoned corner where no one ever goes but this is my 10 cents...

My wife is staunch anti smoker and she is the reason I started vaping (She thought it will help me quit altogether). but here is the thing. Smokers are labeled as inconsiderate people because they force there smoke into other peoples air. My not vaping in "Non smoking" Areas is purely me trying not to be labeled the same as the smoking community out there. Yes agreed that when my wife learned (Through many discussions and arguments) that vaping is nothing like smoking, but the fact remains that it took allot of convincing before she would let me vape inside the house.

There are many a personalities out there, and its impossible to say who is right and who is wrong. I don't vape in non smoking places for reasons stated. I don't disagree that it still makes me look like a smoker, however when I was still a smoker I often got asked why smokers don't just take a can of deodorant with them when they smoke (For obvious reference to the smoke smell that I dragged in). Now that I vape, I can go for that quick puff before a meeting and on my return still sit around the same table without everyone bunching up in a corner trying to get a away from my smell.

I often get asked why I don't vape inside the office (Obviously not by HR) and the answer is simple. I might be vaping a flavor that those around me might not like (Two of the flavors I currently vape has caused altercations between me and my non smoking wife).

The other thing is there are people out there with food allergies. My sister in law is allergic to Pineapple, and the vapors from my Pineapple cheesecake caused a minor allergic reaction on Sunday (I didn't tell her what flavor i was smoking, we where sitting outside after Sunday lunch and she asked my mom if she had cooked anything with pineapple (Which she didn't because of the allergy) because her throat feels tight like when she has a reaction. I immediately put the two together and switched tanks. she was fine again after about 15 minutes (Again she didn't know i was switching flavors nor that I was smoking a pineapple flavor).

All I am trying to say is I (Me, Personally and the way I feel about it) would rather stand outside and be called a smoker, then the inconsiderate vapor.

But that is just how I feel about it, and again opinions differ and we are all entitled to ours.

 

[Silver]

Guys, you all have valid points and i agree with all of them to an extent

I think we as vapers should set an example and be considerate to others

When I vape indoors in shopping centres or at restaurants, I generally do it stealthily, I dont try blow massive clouds. Inhale for a bit longer till I breathe out and noone really notices

Thats all. And i have yet to have a problem

But if someone asked me to stop in a non smoking area, I would comply graciously. But that hasnt happened to me yet.

 

[WHITELABEL]

Guys, you all have valid points and i agree with all of them to an extent

I think we as vapers should set an example and be considerate to others

When I vape indoors in shopping centres or at restaurants, I generally do it stealthily, I dont try blow massive clouds. Inhale for a bit longer till I breathe out and noone really notices

Thats all. And i have yet to have a problem

But if someone asked me to stop in a non smoking area, I would comply graciously. But that hasnt happened to me yet.

Exactly what I'm saying and what I do too. Haven't had a complaint yet.

 

[Necropolis]

I think if you have an entitled aggressive attitude, that is going rankle people far worst than anything else.

Hit the nail on the head there!

Maybe it's just me but I do tend to get this attitude from a lot of vapers - "It's not smoking so I will do it wherever I want - screw any body else".

 

[JakesSA]

There is one aspect perhaps being missed here, separating tobacco smokers from regular folks had another driving force .. to make tobacco smoking socially less acceptable or even unacceptable. Unacceptable to the "second hand smoke is going to give me cancer and I'll be dead in a week" brigade which the tobacco laws have created. This was a reasonably successful act of social engineering btw to the point where many non-smokers cannot logically distinguish between vapour and smoke and can only respond emotionally .. keep that in mind when dealing with them.

Now with socially acceptable most people think of it as "Is it acceptable for me and the people I associate with?" but there is an easy test for whether something should be socially acceptable.

Ask the question "Do I want my kids to do it?" If you don't have kids then perhaps "Do I want kids in general to do it?" If the answer is no then it is not socially acceptable and one should maybe carefully consider acting as though it is.

Just my 2 cents ...

 

[Arthster]

There is one aspect perhaps being missed here, separating tobacco smokers from regular folks had another driving force .. to make tobacco smoking socially less acceptable or even unacceptable. Unacceptable to the "second hand smoke is going to give me cancer and I'll be dead in a week" brigade which the tobacco laws have created. This was a reasonably successful act of social engineering btw to the point where many non-smokers cannot logically distinguish between vapour and smoke and can only respond emotionally .. keep that in mind when dealing with them.

Now with socially acceptable most people think of it as "Is it acceptable for me and the people I associate with?" but there is an easy test for whether something should be socially acceptable.

Ask the question "Do I want my kids to do it?" If you don't have kids then perhaps "Do I want kids in general to do it?" If the answer is no then it is not socially acceptable and one should maybe carefully consider acting as though it is.

Just my 2 cents ...

But on that question. Is it acceptable for kids to vape no nicotine ejuice? I was asked that question and did not know how to answer. Technically speaking no nicotine ejuice is candy. But it still has the (and i use the term because thats what kids call it) smoking stigma

 

[Necropolis]

I really don't see how anyone who was a nonsmoker would get into vaping...

 

[BumbleBee]

I really don't see how anyone who was a nonsmoker would get into vaping...

I've switched 2 non-smokers to no-nic vaping, both were hubbly users.

 

[Necropolis]

A regular hubbly smoker is hardly a non-smoker.

I'm talking those that don't regularly inhale anything - aside from air that is .

 

[korn1]

@Arthster

I don't think they should be allowed to buy any until they are 18. They could get the nicotine juice from someone else so they should not be allowed to vape at all. My 2c

 

[Necropolis]

@Arthster

I don't think they should be allowed to buy any until they are 18. They could get the nicotine juice from someone else so they should not be allowed to vape at all. My 2c

That said if they are going to then they are going to - I'm sure I'm not the only one here that started smoking when I was waaaaaaaaaaaay younger than 18

 

[free3dom]

A regular hubbly smoker is hardly a non-smoker.

I'm talking those that don't regularly inhale anything - aside from air that is .

If they're living in Gauteng (or any major city for that matter) then they are inhaling lots of crap that is not (technically) air