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This looks promising - I think the Tiramisu will work well, dessertish without being sweet and that coffee undertone. Please let us know how it develops.Just mixed this, not sure how it will steep, but it's awesome right now.
Black Valentine:
INW Kent tobacco - 1.5%
FW Dark Chocolate - 3%
FA Tiramisu - 0.5%
Thanks, saw this one in the Index to the correct thread, but did not look further as I saw it had CLY concentrates in. I do not have CLY concentrates and after your report in another thread that they use Ethyl Di Glycol as a carrier and have oily extracts I am very wary.@Andre you were looking for this on the Bora Bora additions forum.
Here we go....
Western Tobacco
Tobacco (CLY) - 2.5%
Oak (FA) - 1%
Butterscotch (CLY) - 1%
Anise (FW) - 0.1%
Western (TFA) - 1.5%
Custard (CLY) - 1%
Cream (CLY) - 1%
MTS Vape Wizard (FA) - 0.5%
I don't know if you want the anise in there at 0.1%. For me anything more than that and it is too much. Without it I feel it needs it so it must make a difference.
I only added the MTS to the last bottle I made and it does make a difference.
Without it I could taste the different individual ingredients like the cream and custard. Probably because I know it is there but with the MTS it tends to smooth it all out, and believe it or not I also felt it gave it more body and mouth full effect. Will be trying the MTS in other recipes....some time.....
The only reason I went with CLY cream and custard was because I didn't have FA vienna cream at the time but this seems to work so I have not tried the vienna cream yet.
The Clyrolinx Tobacco is a different tobacco taste, not like FA Cuban Supreme or a lot of other tobacco concentrates where can relate the taste to a cigarette or cigar type flavour. It is somewhat dry and quite nutty, probably somewhere in the vicinity of FW 555 tobacco.
The Western in here at 1.5% is not overpowering for me. It adds that nice ashy tobacco taste.
While we are on the TFA Western subject I have been adding a drop or two to a tank of other Tobacco recipes from here and all have been nice.
And on a side not I have also found the following works really really well.
Hic's Creamy Coconut Tobacco OR
Hic's Light American Cig replacement OR
Hic's Bora Bora - 50%
Hic's Mendis Coconut Brandy - 50%
One of the three Hic's tobacco as above - 80%
Hic's Black Barrel Whiskey Mac - 20%
@Viper_SA
your black valentine recipe looks good. is the tobacco in the background? or more a main note?
also whats everybodys opinions on MTS Vape Wizard? from what i see it seems a must for most tobacco vapes
@Viper_SA do you have a favorite TFA Western recipe?
Gitanes homage
http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/598996/Gitanes+homage
2% Burley (FA)
2.5% Caramel (FA)
4% Catalan Cream (FA)
1% Holiday Spice (TPA)
1% MTS Vape Wizard (FA)
2% Toasted Almond (TPA)
3% Western (TPA)
Flavor total: 15.5%
Western is a bit of a shock. It's a dead ringer for Gitanes. Among the poseurs that I used to hang with in the 80s you were either a Left Bank Gitanes kinda guy or a Gauloises artiste. I was the latter, but for any of you out who were the former, this will bring back the those heady days.
For those of you that don't know the flavour, it is in your face tobacco almost verging on a cigar, and ashy with a decent throat hit. I added the cream to lift it and the caramel, nutmeg (Holiday Spice) and almond to give it lesser notes and complexity. The burley is there purely to drag the mix towards a more mainstream tobacco flavour.
Steep: 3-4 weeks.
@Viper_SA - it goes very nicely with a bog wet single malt, late at night.
This one has TFA Western, @GregF. Just cracked my bottle a few minutes ago (mixed 13/7/2016). My initial impressions:- I like it a lot and will certainly mix up a bigger batch. The Holiday Spice and Almond are barely noticeable on the exhale and really adds a lot of interest. I pick up some lovely citrus notes in the background? Definitely more towards cigar/cigarette than pipe tobacco. Almost too smooth for me - might go down on or leave out the MTS next time, depending on how it tastes over a longer period.@Viper_SA do you have a favorite TFA Western recipe?
This one has TFA Western, @GregF. Just cracked my bottle a few minutes ago (mixed 13/7/2016). My initial impressions:- I like it a lot and will certainly mix up a bigger batch. The Holiday Spice and Almond are barely noticeable on the exhale and really adds a lot of interest. I pick up some lovely citrus notes in the background? Definitely more towards cigar/cigarette than pipe tobacco. Almost too smooth for me - might go down on or leave out the MTS next time, depending on how it tastes over a longer period.
Thank you for the recipe @Patrick. For sure different to the tobacco recipes I have tried so far, which is great as variety is the spice of life!
Thank you for your impressions on MTS, confirms my suspicions.I decided to try out a few more concentrates out and mts wizard.
i tried out TFA western has become my new favourite. decided to buy more like 10 mins after trying it out. reminds of lucky strike.
then i tried out FA cigar passion and so far MEH! its ok nothing special and doesnt remind me of a cigar but maybe it needs steeping.
i then threw some MTS vape wizard in my regular cubano single mix and i find it completely removed the main note that i normally get, Added 0.5%
it did bring the background notes out more but the main flavor that i normally enjoy was extremely muted.it seems like its only something for toning a liquid down. almost made a huge batch with it. thank god i tried a small one first.
but so far for me if you looking for a cigar flavor i would recommend TFA Cubano and INW Cuba, Tuscan reverse was alright also
As far as Flavor Art go it seems to me that alot of there Tobacco flavors are too amazing as i also tried burley found it weak and cuban supreme and it had a candy floss taste to it not what i was hoping for.
I would love to make a complex Cigar mix but my own ideas have just lead to an expensive drain cleaner. so im scared to mix flavors without a recipe to follow.
Thanks.@Andre
Glad you enjoy Cubano. i wonder what it would work with? im looking for something to enhance its flavor without changing it too much
I mixed Western at 5% max VG. hasnt steeped yet but im pretty happy with the flavour.
I mix alot of my tobacco flavors at 5% as a starting point and then dilute if i pick up unwanted notes
@Andre
Glad you enjoy Cubano. i wonder what it would work with? im looking for something to enhance its flavor without changing it too much
I mixed Western at 5% max VG. hasnt steeped yet but im pretty happy with the flavour.
I mix alot of my tobacco flavors at 5% as a starting point and then dilute if i pick up unwanted notes
i have used 3% tfa cubano type with 1.5% tfa western flavour and 2% tfa blackberry. 2 post steeping and it seems really good but will give more time. the cubano flavour is still much the stronger right now
Thank you for your impressions on MTS, confirms my suspicions.
On your recommendation, I tried TFA Cubano as a single mix and was quite impressed. Nice cigar taste and I get notes of Marzipan and Cherry sour with a floral touch on the exhale. Not the full feel of more complex mixes for me, but good nonetheless.
I have mixed up Cigar Passion, Tuscan Reserve and Maxx Blend with some Black Fire. Steeping. Shall let you have my impressions.
At what percentage did you mix up TFA Western? I tried @Patrick's Gitanes Homage recipe above, which has Western as one of the ingredients and liked it a lot.