Thanks for the thumbs up. Been checking up on Vapers and juice in Portugal hence my absence here.
Emigrating To Portugal.
- Thread starter Johnny2Puffs
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So busy with passport, permit for SA wife, selling furniture and car. And SARS. What a shlep to emigrate. SARS wants most of my investments to exit. Banking stuff etc.
Anyone want a Smart 44 at R10k cheaper than you can find it in similar condition?
Anyone want a Smart 44 at R10k cheaper than you can find it in similar condition?
Best of luck dude! Hope you have a blast 
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Been too busy with emigrating stuff to post for some time but I must share this.
We had to travel from Cape Town to Johannesburg for my passport. We decided to make a holiday of it and went by train. Many of you might be shocked at our decision. Train travel in SA is seen as a poor man's method of travel. I thought this as well until we did it.
Shosholoso Meyl train is great. Four sleeper compartment has 220v 2 plug and 3 plugs for your electronic stuff.
Your own running water dish, toilets outside on both sides of the carriage with showers.
Bedding is supplied at a cost but we took our own.
Food!! great breakfast, lunch and dinner in the diner cart. The stewards come around with carts of beer and other beverages from time to time. You can also have your food bought to your compartment when they come around with the menu. We took our own food as we did not know this but did order beef stew. Was great. They even have fish and burgers.
In the morning they come around with coffee. And if you want more beer, you can just go to the diner cart and buy it and off you go to your compartment to drink it there and watch the scenery.
We felt so safe that we could have slept with our door unlocked.
This cost us R1200 pp return but was worth it.
We had to travel from Cape Town to Johannesburg for my passport. We decided to make a holiday of it and went by train. Many of you might be shocked at our decision. Train travel in SA is seen as a poor man's method of travel. I thought this as well until we did it.
Shosholoso Meyl train is great. Four sleeper compartment has 220v 2 plug and 3 plugs for your electronic stuff.
Your own running water dish, toilets outside on both sides of the carriage with showers.
Bedding is supplied at a cost but we took our own.
Food!! great breakfast, lunch and dinner in the diner cart. The stewards come around with carts of beer and other beverages from time to time. You can also have your food bought to your compartment when they come around with the menu. We took our own food as we did not know this but did order beef stew. Was great. They even have fish and burgers.
In the morning they come around with coffee. And if you want more beer, you can just go to the diner cart and buy it and off you go to your compartment to drink it there and watch the scenery.
We felt so safe that we could have slept with our door unlocked.
This cost us R1200 pp return but was worth it.
My sister recently made the same trip and could not stop singing the praises of train travel for weeks afterwards.
Part 2.
We had to travel from Germiston to Pretoria for our passports. What a shlep to be there at 08.30. Far too much traffic on the roads.
We took the Goutrain. I was worried about getting on the wrong train and catching the wrong Goutrain bus to our destination. I downloaded the Goutrain App and just followed the green thing for my destination.
What a breeze. We overtook the traffic jams at 180 km/hr and was soon in PTA. What a smooth ride and air conditioned. There, I got on the green bus and was at the embassy 30 minutes early.
We got something right here in SA.
We had to travel from Germiston to Pretoria for our passports. What a shlep to be there at 08.30. Far too much traffic on the roads.
We took the Goutrain. I was worried about getting on the wrong train and catching the wrong Goutrain bus to our destination. I downloaded the Goutrain App and just followed the green thing for my destination.
What a breeze. We overtook the traffic jams at 180 km/hr and was soon in PTA. What a smooth ride and air conditioned. There, I got on the green bus and was at the embassy 30 minutes early.
We got something right here in SA.
Yes we vaped and had our door open to see both sides of the scenery. Nobody complained as I am sure they all smoked discretely.
I will love to make the CT to Durban or JHB to Durban trip on the Shosholoso Meyl.
I must agree with you on the service of the onboard staff of the Meyl, although I rode it Tzaneen to Musina, so no sleeper. R70 a trip is dirt cheap (about 2 years ago), staff is friendly and very helpful. And the Guinean fella I sat next to on my last trip seemed friendly enough, although I don't know enough French to be absolutely sure.
Most interesting and thanks for sharing @Johnny2Puffs
It took 28 hrs. Almost half of that you get lulled to sleep with the train movement. I love sleeping on a train.
The 28 hrs might seem long but looking back, it seems a breeze as the experience was well worth it. Just looking out at the scenery was well worth it. Cheaper than flying if you are not in a hurry.
Same as living in a small apartment that changes scenery as you go along.
The 28 hrs might seem long but looking back, it seems a breeze as the experience was well worth it. Just looking out at the scenery was well worth it. Cheaper than flying if you are not in a hurry.
Same as living in a small apartment that changes scenery as you go along.
As to my emigration, I had to postpone it to 16 June as the Portugal embassy has a 4 week waiting list for visa for my wife.
Cost me R4200 to change dates. Sucks but had no option.
We will be landing in Lisbon and accommodate overnight then go by EurRail to Castelo 4 hours to the north.
When we get there, I will just have to feel my way around to get longer term rental before we find a permanent place to buy.
And yes. I am frightened at this move as I have never liked change but will have to see how it goes.
Cost me R4200 to change dates. Sucks but had no option.
We will be landing in Lisbon and accommodate overnight then go by EurRail to Castelo 4 hours to the north.
When we get there, I will just have to feel my way around to get longer term rental before we find a permanent place to buy.
And yes. I am frightened at this move as I have never liked change but will have to see how it goes.
Wishing you all the best @Johnny2Puffs
Thanks for sharing your experiences
You may be frightened, but it does sound exciting.
Thanks for sharing your experiences
You may be frightened, but it does sound exciting.
i am very interested, registered here because of it. i just did an intro in the intro thread, mentioned it there, want to "pick your brains" a bit...sometime. if i may.
Anytime Cat. I will be posting as we go along. So much paperwork to be done as we will leave assets here and transfer monthly our gains or losses to Portugal. I can transfer all but I have no knowledge of the stock market in Europe so I will keep doing it here.
Had I not had any assets here, I would not have "Formally Emigrated". Just ducked like our kids.
Had I not had any assets here, I would not have "Formally Emigrated". Just ducked like our kids.
For the interested. SARS has introduced section 9c that states that if you have held shares, UT's or any other Mutual Funds for less than 3 years and sell, the gains will be revenue and all the gains will be added to your your other income. ie, You are trading as if you have a business with shares. So effectively you will pay 40% tax on the sales.
Only if you hold your investment for at least 3 years, will SARS see it as Capital Gains Tax and you can deduct R30k as an exclusion from your gains and 33.3% of the result will be added to your other income. This is about 11% if you are on the top bracket.
Very much better than the top example, not so? Be careful when selling your investments. This leads me to my next post.
Only if you hold your investment for at least 3 years, will SARS see it as Capital Gains Tax and you can deduct R30k as an exclusion from your gains and 33.3% of the result will be added to your other income. This is about 11% if you are on the top bracket.
Very much better than the top example, not so? Be careful when selling your investments. This leads me to my next post.
Section 9c also states that the source of your income is in the country where you apply your mind, wit and labour to make profits even if you live in Timbuktu and invest in ZA, your income will not be in ZA but in Timbuktu.
This is where I score big time in Portugal. There is a 10 year tax exemption incentive for new immigrants.
I can now sell/buy stocks in ZA as need be and not be taxed anywhere.
This is where I score big time in Portugal. There is a 10 year tax exemption incentive for new immigrants.
I can now sell/buy stocks in ZA as need be and not be taxed anywhere.
Thanks Silver. Portugal has become a Tax Haven. So if you want to emigrate, go to PT and you will save yourself big bucks in tax.
I have done much research into different countries as to Cost of Living and weather. PT was my choice as the North has the same weather as in Cape Town.
It is greener than the the south and cost of living is cheaper than here.
Of cause you can go to the eastern EU countries and pay less for rent and beer but you will get hit with the harsh winters. I hate the cold.
I have done much research into different countries as to Cost of Living and weather. PT was my choice as the North has the same weather as in Cape Town.
It is greener than the the south and cost of living is cheaper than here.
Of cause you can go to the eastern EU countries and pay less for rent and beer but you will get hit with the harsh winters. I hate the cold.
Do you have kids that are working abroad and don't intend to return? Then this is for you.
Chances are that they just ducked without Officialy Emigrating as they had no assets. Mine did.
Now if you had to go to Vaper Heaven and leave them more than R1m each in your will, they will have endless problems getting the money out.
They will have to Officialy Emigrate BEFORE you expire otherwise it will complicate the procces even further.
This they must do even if they record zero assets on the MP336b form. No need for Tax Clearance if they have been out the country for longer than 5 years as Prescription applies.
I can do it for my kids with Power of Attorney but I don't want to go through it all again so I suggested agents to do it for them at a cost of a few grand but ZAR is peanuts compaired to what they earn in GBP.
Exchange4free.co.za is by far the cheapest according to my research. 4Free you might ask? As did I. And they charge R1k to R2k for the
Chances are that they just ducked without Officialy Emigrating as they had no assets. Mine did.
Now if you had to go to Vaper Heaven and leave them more than R1m each in your will, they will have endless problems getting the money out.
They will have to Officialy Emigrate BEFORE you expire otherwise it will complicate the procces even further.
This they must do even if they record zero assets on the MP336b form. No need for Tax Clearance if they have been out the country for longer than 5 years as Prescription applies.
I can do it for my kids with Power of Attorney but I don't want to go through it all again so I suggested agents to do it for them at a cost of a few grand but ZAR is peanuts compaired to what they earn in GBP.
Exchange4free.co.za is by far the cheapest according to my research. 4Free you might ask? As did I. And they charge R1k to R2k for the
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Got my emigration experience typed out on my notepad and can't seem to paste it here.
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