Enyawreklaw... R370??
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Read the thread by distributor Mr Hardwicks. Laid out there nicely.
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You can still bring it in yourself , ecigexpress cant use paypal for you to pay(FDA/Paypal ruling) ecigexpress advised me to use coinbase (BT currency).
Coinbase is not available for our country yet.
i still need to check out
For all three flavors:
This is my order with 10 pound option for tracking your parcel.
They ship worldwide.
I was very keen when this was first announced and also would be interested to read the reason it costs so much. I mean online they cost less than $10 - I'm not knocking the effort and work put it to importing them. I'm just curious because the high price has me tempted to say no and rather mix it myself.
After I saw the price of Funfetti and realised I actually had all the ingredients already I mixed up 100ml.
I'm keen to save cost and that's why I DIY but at R370 for a premix thats good for 175ml it just doesn't compute...
After I saw the price of Funfetti and realised I actually had all the ingredients already I mixed up 100ml.
I'm keen to save cost and that's why I DIY but at R370 for a premix thats good for 175ml it just doesn't compute...
Exactly this...
I too have all the ingredients to mix some of his recipes and i worked out that it costs me approximately R5.50 per ml of concentrate.
However if we buy the 30ml concentrates at R370, it costs R12 per ml. Thats just ridiculous man...
Well.. funfetti without sugar cookie v1.. not even close to how it should really taste.
Anyway please take it over to this thread where I am at least allowed to respond:
http://www.ecigssa.co.za/enyawreklaw-concentrates-from-vapechem.t26896/
Thanks for the link@method1 - please don't take my post in the wrong way. I'm just seeking clarity particularly on the cost as it's the reason most venture into DIY to begin with.
how is it that the concentrates are on a no fly list when they are being shipped worldwide by all sorts of vendors ?
Certain concentrates are not available in SA because they're a combustion risk, and therefore cost a lot extra to ship.
The example here is sugar cookie V1.
Not available in SA or the UK and some other countries, because of shipping regulations.
The thing is, once you get into DIY you notice just how much you are getting ripped off.
If u make a 100ml bottle of juice with 17% of it comprising of concentrates, it's going to cost you about R120 including nic, pg, vg, and the actual glass/plastic bottle - and this is without buying your ingredients at wholesale prices... AND, it takes just a few minutes to make, excluding steeping time of course.
Now, local juice companies are selling 30ml, (a small amount of eliquid these days when considering that dual coil setups drink juice #30millsmustfall) for R150 to R200 - and then to top it off we still have to pay for delivery, another R65 ish.
It's frankly a ripoff. Look, this is just my opinion but I feel like most people just pay what is asked and hardly bat an eyelid and never question.
I'm all for making a success of your business so that you and yours may prosper but your customers still have to feel like they're getting a good deal. The more people start to understand what the ingredients cost, the more they will stop buying off the shelf juice because they will realise just how badly they are getting @#$!*#...
Vaping has changed my life and it bothers me (again, this is my opinion) that people go back to smoking cigarettes because juice, and tanks, and mods, and coils cost so damn much compared to the USA pricing (generally speaking) - and 99.9% of the stuff isn't even made there!
Lol, this whole DIYORDIE R370 pricing thing was just the last straw...
End rant.
If u make a 100ml bottle of juice with 17% of it comprising of concentrates, it's going to cost you about R120 including nic, pg, vg, and the actual glass/plastic bottle - and this is without buying your ingredients at wholesale prices... AND, it takes just a few minutes to make, excluding steeping time of course.
Now, local juice companies are selling 30ml, (a small amount of eliquid these days when considering that dual coil setups drink juice #30millsmustfall) for R150 to R200 - and then to top it off we still have to pay for delivery, another R65 ish.
It's frankly a ripoff. Look, this is just my opinion but I feel like most people just pay what is asked and hardly bat an eyelid and never question.
I'm all for making a success of your business so that you and yours may prosper but your customers still have to feel like they're getting a good deal. The more people start to understand what the ingredients cost, the more they will stop buying off the shelf juice because they will realise just how badly they are getting @#$!*#...
Vaping has changed my life and it bothers me (again, this is my opinion) that people go back to smoking cigarettes because juice, and tanks, and mods, and coils cost so damn much compared to the USA pricing (generally speaking) - and 99.9% of the stuff isn't even made there!
Lol, this whole DIYORDIE R370 pricing thing was just the last straw...
End rant.
Firstly,
Secondly, there's way more to producing a quality, sellable e-juice than just buying the ingredients and mixing them together. The testing and developing is a massively difficult and time consuming process, have you tried to create an original recipe that you could actually sell?
And then there's producing it on a large scale - bottling, labeling, advertising and marketing, and distribution. There are salaries that need to be paid too - remember our local vendors have to earn a living. As do all the people down the supply chain.
So buying 30mls of tasty juice for about the same price as a simple meal at a restaurant isn't too bad all things considered.
And DIY isn't for everyone, some people just want to vape. They don't want to sit around getting their fingers sticky measuring out drops of this and that, or waiting weeks for a juice to steep. So they pay more to avoid the hassle.
If I lived in the States my favourite e-juice (Tribeca from Halo) would cost $20 for 30ml - that's about R270. And it's not even one of the most expensive!
So if you don't think it's value for money, DIY - simple really. But I don't think it's fair to claim our local vendors are ripping people off. Without them there'd be far more smokers and far fewer people on this forum!
And that's my opinion
lol
Secondly, there's way more to producing a quality, sellable e-juice than just buying the ingredients and mixing them together. The testing and developing is a massively difficult and time consuming process, have you tried to create an original recipe that you could actually sell?
And then there's producing it on a large scale - bottling, labeling, advertising and marketing, and distribution. There are salaries that need to be paid too - remember our local vendors have to earn a living. As do all the people down the supply chain.
So buying 30mls of tasty juice for about the same price as a simple meal at a restaurant isn't too bad all things considered.
And DIY isn't for everyone, some people just want to vape. They don't want to sit around getting their fingers sticky measuring out drops of this and that, or waiting weeks for a juice to steep. So they pay more to avoid the hassle.
If I lived in the States my favourite e-juice (Tribeca from Halo) would cost $20 for 30ml - that's about R270. And it's not even one of the most expensive!
So if you don't think it's value for money, DIY - simple really. But I don't think it's fair to claim our local vendors are ripping people off. Without them there'd be far more smokers and far fewer people on this forum!
And that's my opinion
^ truth.
Have moved this thread to the "Who has stock" subforum for the benefit of vendors who want to discuss more openly about this issue and relating directly to their offerings and stock.
That's exactly the problem , i for one am new to vaping but at the prices juices are going its working out to be more expensive than smoking and becoming more of a luxury to vape than a need to quit smoking.
Am more than happy to have a labelled bottle of vanilla custard e.t.c on the bottle i don't need a hologram on my bottle or it being packed in a cardboard box.
I will explore the option of getting wayne`s premix via import.
@Bearshare that's exactly why I got into DIY, after the initial cash layout it's become way more economical 
Exactly this
@Bearshare that's exactly why I got into DIY, after the initial cash layout it's become way more economical
If cost saving is your primary goal, premixed concentrates are never going to be the most cost effective way to make juice, better than buying juice for sure but no where near as cheap as pure DIY.
You can very easily start with around R500 (R180 nic, R50 PG, R50 VG, R140 Scale, R120 for 3 x concentrates) for a few hundred ml of very vapable juice. this way you have your scale and nic to use in the future. Hell I used to budget over 2 grand a month on smokes, dropping a grand on DIY stuff when i started was actually a saving for me.
DIY'ing juice should, quite frankly, cost you less than the R120/100ml you mention. Though the one thing not factored in to this is your time. What would your time be worth/hour if it was a job.
There are a few things you appear to forget.
The cost of setting up clean room facilities. You may be happy to do it on the kitchen counter at home, but would you be happy to buy a juice made in similar fashion somewhere you have no idea what the conditions are? Should you be happy with that?
The labour costs as mentioned above.
A profit for the producer - in a very small, low volume market.
A profit for the vendor in a small low volume market. The cost of carrying stock and unsold stock.
Marketing and many tiny things that add up.
Do the math and you'll start to see that it really isn't a rip-off. Squeeze the producers and the vendors too much and the incentive to bring all this variety of offerings to you disappears and all that will be left is DIY.
We produce and sell 100ml at R150 + nic. But I had to do some fancy footwork to make that work while maintaining quality. And we only sell directly to public. If we had to sell to vendor it would be very close to that price, and then he would have to make a profit on top of that to make it worth his while.
I said it in another thread. Lower prices are great, but be careful of driving the market down with the China model because it is a race to the bottom not only for price but also for quality. And the SA vaping scene will be much the poorer for it. At the moment we enjoy a great amount of variety and quality offerings in hardware and juice in this small market of ours.
Two thumbs up @YeOldeOke 
We shouldn't move these types of threads to local vendors, we know how much we are saving if we are going to DIY.
I do not care to much about labeling if you want to sell your juice that is on point in terms of flavor and your finger nails are clean i will test your juice.
Juice makers are doing this in their spare time , there is no way that someone could make a comfortable living with only selling juice to sustain a household.
So this is done in your on time.
I do not care to much about labeling if you want to sell your juice that is on point in terms of flavor and your finger nails are clean i will test your juice.
Juice makers are doing this in their spare time , there is no way that someone could make a comfortable living with only selling juice to sustain a household.
So this is done in your on time.
This is incorrect... there are a few juice makers doing this as thier main source of income and doing rather well!
This is incorrect... there are a few juice makers doing this as thier main source of income and doing rather well!
ok lets say +-70/30 (no not PG/VG)
If local vendors are being accused of ripping off, then they have a right to respond to those accusations. And they may only respond directly in certain parts of the forum. Hence the move, I'd imagine.
It is a whole lot more than just labeling, or clean finger nails. But at the end of the day, the choice is yours. DIY saves money because it cuts out a whole supply chain and assumes you do it in spare time. It's great, I've done it for years.
But to address the producers/vendors with contempt is unwarranted.
What is your time worth to YOU? What is your time worth to your wife and children?
Do you work full days and then come home and spend your time developing recipes , developing your online webstore and persona, do you design your labelling , do you shell out money for the equipment required to make juices of a quality worth selling?
Time is money , equipment is money , development is money.
It's really basic business principles.
No one is forcing you to buy these concentrates , the same way you are not forced to purchase international brands of any sort.
Everyone has their own right to choice and opinion but your assumptions of this situation could not be any more inaccurate
Kthnxbaai
I think we are getting off track, I don't think this thread is about the R150 bottles of craft juice that we all buy but about the Enyawreklaw concentrates. Pretty much everyone is OK with the price of craft juices and understand the idea of R&D, clean rooms, bottling, marketing and hell even your kids ballet lessons as everyone is allowed to make a living.
The issue is that these concentrates are being marketed as DIY concentrates, now juice buyers will always buy juice and DIYers will pretty much always DIY and this is to save costs, whether its because you are on a budget or cause you are cheap (like me
).
The perception from the target market is that these are overpriced, they are being imported "as is" so no local clean room or R&D or bottling or any of that is needed and is being marketed to guys who are used to paying R30 for a 30ml bottle of juice. Import costs etc do come into it but they do too with most of the concentrates we use to DIY too, so why aren't we paying 100+ for a bottle of imported concentrate?
once again I have no problem with anyone making profit, your target market is just a bunch of cheapskates
The issue is that these concentrates are being marketed as DIY concentrates, now juice buyers will always buy juice and DIYers will pretty much always DIY and this is to save costs, whether its because you are on a budget or cause you are cheap (like me
). The perception from the target market is that these are overpriced, they are being imported "as is" so no local clean room or R&D or bottling or any of that is needed and is being marketed to guys who are used to paying R30 for a 30ml bottle of juice. Import costs etc do come into it but they do too with most of the concentrates we use to DIY too, so why aren't we paying 100+ for a bottle of imported concentrate?
once again I have no problem with anyone making profit, your target market is just a bunch of cheapskates
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