First Corona Virus case confirmed in SA.

[Timwis]

15% needs hospitalization (some places in UK this reached over 30%)

Sure it's just a typo but you say reached as in past tense, cases might be as stated but it's still early days and it's rising all the time. Because of the UK government going for a slowing down approach rather than Italy's Lockdown cases are not even expected to peak until 12 weeks time and i have heard figures as bad as 60% getting the virus (albeit most mildly) with a worse case yet very possible 80%.

School Exams have been cancelled for this school year and pupils will get grades based on what the teachers estimate they would of got. This is no small thing as it can shape someone's future working life and even if a good grade is giving future employers will be well aware looking at their applications that their school year was the year which meant they didn't need to sit exams so the working under pressure aspect of an exam hasn't been proved!

Exams wouldn't even be until July/August so to already officially cancel them despite there importance shows we are expected to be in this for the long haul!

 

[Grand Guru]

There is no healthcare system in the world that can cope with those figures...
60% is what you need to ultimately reach (50 to 70) in terms of population infected in order to develop herd immunity and naturally stop the progression of the disease. But we need to reach this percentage in a very very slow pace @Adephi so that the healthcare system can cope with the load, that is why we need people to cooperate fully with the NICD recommendations (social distancing and hand hygiene) to slow and not to stop the disease and flatten the curve of new cases. What is happening in the UK is the sole fault of the government who opted to let the infection spread quickly spread in order to reach herd immunity not taking into consideration the catastrophic effects this will have on the coping capabilities of the NHS... And they rectified the approach a bit late.

 

[Raindance]

Did you spend your childhood walking uphill in snow barefoot for 10km just to get to school?

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Boet! It was uphill both ways in those days.

Regards

 

[ARYANTO]

Up to 70% of South Africans will get the coronavirus – Health Minister
Jamie McKane20 March 2020


Health Minister Zweli Mkhize said that between 60% and 70% of South Africans are likely to contract the COVID-19 coronavirus, according to a report by News24.

 

[Silver]

Was chating with somebody on FB about the infection rates and where we are heading and made a few sums.


Centurion population 236 580 (as per wikipedia, apparently its closer to 330 000)

Best case scenario only 20% gets infected at the peak of the epidemic.
47 316 people infected.

15% needs hospitalization (some places in UK this reached over 30%)
7 097 beds needed. (Excluding non CoVid cases)

Our 2 major private hospitals:
Unitas registered for 470 beds
Midstream registered for 176 beds

Quite alarming @Adephi
I just hope they can find a vaccine sooner than 12-18 months (as I have seen mentioned on various articles)

 

[Timwis]

Boet! It was uphill both ways in those days.

Regards

Nothing wrong with his content but for the life of me don't understand why it was directed at me in such a manner. We might not of walked 10km to school in bare feet but what was that to do with me? What is a fact with the UK was back in the 70's our winters were harsh and very deep snowfall was common and happened regularly every year, we wore patches on our patches till there was no actual trousers left in view and had that many holes in our socks because a pair can only take so much darning we might as well of had no socks on at all, back then whatever the temperature and even many feet of snow schools were open! So no i didn't walk 10km bare foot up hill to get to school but instead we experienced in footwear and clothes not fit for purpose walking to school in sub-zero temperatures with ice and deep snow, everyone has memories!

 

[Alex]

https://www.covidtrial.io/

 

[Grand Guru]

Developing the vaccine is not what take time but it's the different steps for quality assurance and safety purposes that the product has to go through that take time @Silver.

 

[Room Fogger]

Nothing wrong with his content but for the life of me don't understand why it was directed at me in such a manner. We might not of walked 10km to school in bare feet but what was that to do with me? What is a fact with the UK was back in the 70's our winters were harsh and very deep snowfall was common and happened regularly every year, we wore patches on our patches till there was no actual trousers left in view and had that many holes in our socks because a pair can only take so much darning we might as well of had no socks on at all, back then whatever the temperature and even many feet of snow schools were open! So no i didn't walk 10km bare foot up hill to get to school but instead we experienced in footwear and clothes not fit for purpose walking to school in sub-zero temperatures with ice and deep snow, everyone has memories!

It’s old South African humor, because the young generation have it so easy with all of the gadgets and easy transport and availability of money, sure you may have some similar for this on that side of the ocean.

 

[Timwis]

It’s old South African humor, because the young generation have it so easy with all of the gadgets and easy transport and availability of money, sure you may have some similar for this on that side of the ocean.

Yes, but i'm comfortably older than him?

 

[Adephi]

Quite alarming @Adephi
I just hope they can find a vaccine sooner than 12-18 months (as I have seen mentioned on various articles)

I'm not a religious person and I'm praying for for that vaccine. I know 3 countries are currently working on it. But even if they do get it it needs to go into human trails and that can take a couple of months.

The malaria medication sounds promising. But still more testing that needs to be done. The good news (and there's not a lot of that recently) is that we should have enough of it and be able to get extra generics out quick being a country that is prone to malaria.

Why don't they just use these vaccines and medications when theoretically it should work even though untested?

Firstly, we don't know about any side effect or how it may react with other medications. Might save somebody from Covid but end up getting something much worse.

Secondly, there could be a significant part of the population that it won't work for. And that will give a false sense of security that they don't have the disease but they do and are spreading it wherever they go while being asymptomatic.

 

[Grand Guru]

I'm not a religious person and I'm praying for for that vaccine. I know 3 countries are currently working on it. But even if they do get it it needs to go into human trails and that can take a couple of months.

The malaria medication sounds promising. But still more testing that needs to be done. The good news (and there's not a lot of that recently) is that we should have enough of it and be able to get extra generics out quick being a country that is prone to malaria.

Why don't they just use these vaccines and medications when theoretically it should work even though untested?

Firstly, we don't know about any side effect or how it may react with other medications. Might save somebody from Covid but end up getting something much worse.

Secondly, there could be a significant part of the population that it won't work for. And that will give a false sense of security that they don't have the disease but they do and are spreading it wherever they go while being asymptomatic.

These vaccines are allegedly produced by private laboratories @Adephi and we all know what these guys are after... So stringent safety protocols and trials are of utmost importance if we don’t want to sit with another major public health crisis.
Chloroquine is a historical drug in the treatment of malaria... it’s been used for decades and it’s not much in use anymore. So all its effects, side-effects etc. are well known. It has a positive action on the symptoms especially fever but it’s not an antiviral agent.

 

[Grand Guru]

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[Timwis]

I'm not a religious person and I'm praying for for that vaccine. I know 3 countries are currently working on it. But even if they do get it it needs to go into human trails and that can take a couple of months.

The malaria medication sounds promising. But still more testing that needs to be done. The good news (and there's not a lot of that recently) is that we should have enough of it and be able to get extra generics out quick being a country that is prone to malaria.

Why don't they just use these vaccines and medications when theoretically it should work even though untested?

Firstly, we don't know about any side effect or how it may react with other medications. Might save somebody from Covid but end up getting something much worse.

Secondly, there could be a significant part of the population that it won't work for. And that will give a false sense of security that they don't have the disease but they do and are spreading it wherever they go while being asymptomatic.

Hope the first one ready isn't out of the States as this will see those top blokes (women too sounds a bit of an ism) from the FDA being the issue again. Any medical product made in the States or passed for use in the States needs FDA clearance. I was for 8 years involved in making glucose testing strips for diabetics and getting all the testing and paperwork coordinated to the stage where the products became available was pretty straight forward for the rest of the world including the EU but the FDA was a different story and the stupidity is what they require doesn't make the product safer it's just so much Red tape it's beyond a joke!

 

[Adephi]

My favourite non-vape reviewer.



Video is a few days old so the numbers are a bit out. And its mainly Australian focused. But the message is still the same.

 

[Hooked]

These vaccines are allegedly produced by private laboratories @Adephi and we all know what these guys are after... So stringent safety protocols and trials are of utmost importance if we don’t want to sit with another major public health crisis.
Chloroquine is a historical drug in the treatment of malaria... it’s been used for decades and it’s not much in use anymore. So all its effects, side-effects etc. are well known. It has a positive action on the symptoms especially fever but it’s not an antiviral agent.

Nigeria's Lagos state battling chloroquine poisoning
https://www.africanews.com/2020/03/...oronavirus-case-index-patient-fully-recovers/

 

[Hooked]

 

[Grand Guru]

Nigeria's Lagos state battling chloroquine poisoning
https://www.africanews.com/2020/03/...oronavirus-case-index-patient-fully-recovers/

That’s what happens when fake news are spread in uncontrolled manner through social media and then a d@ck-head like Donald Trump condones these false claims...

 

[Alex]

That’s what happens when fake news are spread in uncontrolled manner through social media and then a d@ck-head like Donald Trump condones these false claims...

 

[Jengz]

Hi guys,

Just to spread what knowledge i have on this to the few that are on the forum. There are currently about 7000 cases of backlog at pathology labs in SA where the labs are only testing high risk patients.

So if only 10 percent of those are positive thats a 700 increase overnight without more cases coming in. Chances are, a large majority of the cases will be posotove unfortunately.

Below is also a graphical representation

SA is clearly in som trouble if we look at this graph, more so if we assess our infrastructure in comparison to the countries on the graph.

Be it as it may, lets keep motivated and positive that we will overcome with as little loss as possible and lets try to do what we can for the less fortunate who will be imoacted significantly by this this disease.

 

[Adephi]

Hi guys,

Just to spread what knowledge i have on this to the few that are on the forum. There are currently about 7000 cases of backlog at pathology labs in SA where the labs are only testing high risk patients.

So if only 10 percent of those are positive thats a 700 increase overnight without more cases coming in. Chances are, a large majority of the cases will be posotove unfortunately.

Below is also a graphical representation View attachment 192602

SA is clearly in som trouble if we look at this graph, more so if we assess our infrastructure in comparison to the countries on the graph.

Be it as it may, lets keep motivated and positive that we will overcome with as many loss as possible and lets try to do what we can for the less fortunate who will be imoacted significantly by this this disease.

The private labs are pretty much up to date. Its the NICD thats getting the bulk of the work where the main backlog is. They said they currently have the capacity of doing 5000 test per day. They putting measures in place to do 15k per day sometime this week. And by mid-April they will have a capacity of doing 30k per day. That would be the most Corona tests performed by a lab so far.

Another thing, when the private labs get a positive the result goes to the doctor and treatment commences. But the result first needs to be verified by the NICD before it gets added to the total. So there is a delay of 2-3 days.

 

[Grand Guru]

Videos like this one contribute to the spreading of the myth of a miraculous treatment and people who have it within hand lie the Nigerian and the Congolese etc. due to their endemic malaria will start using right, left and center with the hope to prevent or treat mild forms of the disease.... I’m sure most of us would miss the critical point that the drug was used in the severe form of the disease with some success mainly due to its anti-inflammatory properties.... it won’t work on everyone and it won’t work all the time.
That’s why I don’t go on Facebook for at least 3 years

 

[Alex]

Videos like this one contribute to the spreading of the myth of a miraculous treatment and people who have it within hand lie the Nigerian and the Congolese etc. due to their endemic malaria will start using right, left and center with the hope to prevent or treat mild forms of the disease.... I’m sure most of us would miss the critical point that the drug was used in the severe form of the disease with some success mainly due to its anti-inflammatory properties.... it won’t work on everyone and it won’t work all the time.
That’s why I don’t go on Facebook for at least 3 years

There are currently widespread trials taking place right now all around the world based on the early positive albeit small scale clinical results. Everyone's hoping for a positive outcome, because the alternatives are too dire to contemplate. There's enough negativity going around in the media to add to it here. So it's important to be positive in my view, especially now when the entire globe is losing their collective minds thanks to the media. It's more important to give people hope, because hopelessness is a one way road to nowhere.

And regarding the Nigeria thing, yes. the world has many sheep.

 

[Adephi]

Here's a happy thought!

 

[Silver]

Hi guys,

Just to spread what knowledge i have on this to the few that are on the forum. There are currently about 7000 cases of backlog at pathology labs in SA where the labs are only testing high risk patients.

So if only 10 percent of those are positive thats a 700 increase overnight without more cases coming in. Chances are, a large majority of the cases will be posotove unfortunately.

Below is also a graphical representation View attachment 192602

SA is clearly in som trouble if we look at this graph, more so if we assess our infrastructure in comparison to the countries on the graph.

Be it as it may, lets keep motivated and positive that we will overcome with as little loss as possible and lets try to do what we can for the less fortunate who will be imoacted significantly by this this disease.

Thanks for sharing that @Jengz
I notice the logarithmic scale on the vertical axis
Scary indeed
I agree that SA doesn’t have the same amount of infrastructure as the other countries. I just hope Eskom can continue without load shedding because that does help.

We have to stay positive and all try do our bit to help the situation
And that means trying not to get the virus and trying not to spread it if you have it.