General etiquette of vaping

[Silver]

I wanted to discuss a comment that @Hooked made in another thread discussing vape bags for out and about

Want to discuss it here because I dont want to derail the other thread

@Hooked 's post from the other thread was as follows:

Sorry to spoil the party, but soon we won't need to worry about how to carry our vape stuff around - because there will be nowhere to vape.

Even here in my little town the coffee shops/restaurants no longer allow people to smoke/vape within 10m of the entrance or open windows. They say it's the law. Is it??? To my knowledge it hasn't become law yet

I dont think technically its law yet @Hooked.
It may be law for smoking but to my knowledge, vaping hasnt been classed as smoking yet.
I think that type of thing is going to be covered by the new bill - which hasnt been passed yet - and probably will only get looked at again some time after national elections in May. Still a while I think.

But I do think that any restaurant is entitled to dictate what customers can and cant do at their establishment. If they dont want you to smoke or vape outside the entrance then I think that is a fair thing.

I dont think its right for a vaper to challenge a restaurant owner on this sort of thing - on the grounds of it not yet been passed into law. Some people may disagree with me here - but I think its just etiquette of visiting a restaurant and abiding by their rules. If one doesn't like it, just don't go there.

If vapers always give restaurant owners a hard time on this sort of thing, I can understand why that owner would think badly of vapers.

When it comes to crowded public spaces or those near restaurants or food etc - then I think one needs to think of vaping in the same way as smoking. I know its different and 2nd hand vapour is pretty much non toxic, but other non-vapers don't see it that way and it just gives us a bad name. Besides, when you're eating your food, do you really feel like a Creme Brulee vape wafting past every now and then? I don't and Im a vaper.

We as vapers are in the minority so I think we ought to just realise that our right to vape is not something that most people care about. Great for us individually - and especially as a group - when we get together as vapers - but when we are in public I think we need to exercise care and consideration.

 

[Hooked]

@Silver I agree that it's the prerogative of the restaurant to have their own rules - but they shouldn't say that it's the law when the vaping laws haven't come into effect yet. But ... they know that it IS the law because they read it on News24. Next time I'm in doubt about any legal matters I'll turn to News24 for guidance.

 

[Silver]

@Silver I agree that it's the prerogative of the restaurant to have their own rules - but they shouldn't say that it's the law when the vaping laws haven't come into effect yet. But ... they know that it IS the law because they read it on News24. Next time I'm in doubt about any legal matters I'll turn to News24 for guidance.

Maybe you should tell them that it isn't law yet. (I am not 100% sure of that. About 99% sure. )
But that they should say its their law

 

[Elmien]

The biggest problem we have, in my opinion, is the misinformation that is everywhere. I just recently had the "You know those things are worse than cigarettes" thrown at me. People who do not vape do not have the correct information and I don't think they are really interested in being corrected because it does not affect them. Taking the misinformed masses into consideration we should not be vaping everywhere just because we know better. I sincerely hope that vaping will not be bundled in with smoking when it comes to the new legislation. We should do everything we can to not aggravate the situation. Don't walk around stores blowing massive clouds. Don't blow massive clouds in the restaurant non-stop. Just go outside to vape. We had to do it when we were smoking, why can't we do it now?

 

[Silver]

The biggest problem we have, in my opinion, is the misinformation that is everywhere. I just recently had the "You know those things are worse than cigarettes" thrown at me. People who do not vape do not have the correct information and I don't think they are really interested in being corrected because it does not affect them. Taking the misinformed masses into consideration we should not be vaping everywhere just because we know better. I sincerely hope that vaping will not be bundled in with smoking when it comes to the new legislation. We should do everything we can to not aggravate the situation. Don't walk around stores blowing massive clouds. Don't blow massive clouds in the restaurant non-stop. Just go outside to vape. We had to do it when we were smoking, why can't we do it now?

Agreed @Elmien
Not sure how much it will help in the end - but at least it can only serve to help, not harm the cause.

 

[Rob Fisher]

I'm faced with the dilemma of leaving my vape in the car and eating at my favourite restaurant or finding somewhere else to eat. The problem is the food is outstanding and the waiters and waitresses are excellent...

I guess time will tell...

 

[Room Fogger]

@Silver I agree that it's the prerogative of the restaurant to have their own rules - but they shouldn't say that it's the law when the vaping laws haven't come into effect yet. But ... they know that it IS the law because they read it on News24. Next time I'm in doubt about any legal matters I'll turn to News24 for guidance.

You can also get all the wrong info on vaping on news24 @Hooked , from popcorn lung to the fact that you are more likely to have a heart attack, stroke, etc if you vape, did I mention popcorn lung.,seems they know everything about nothing, so a great place for ignoramusus to hang out so that can also know nothing about everything.

 

[Hooked]

Maybe you should tell them that it isn't law yet. (I am not 100% sure of that. About 99% sure. )
But that they should say its their law

@Silver Actually I told him that as far as I know, this is a proposed law, but that to my knowledge it hasn't come into effect yet. When he again said that it's the law, I asked how he knows. (Just to reassure you, I wasn't kicking up a fuss and being a difficult customer - I know the owner lol). He said that he had read it on News24

I really don't mind if a restaurant owner doesn't want vaping on the premises and says, Sorry, we don't allow vaping here. Fair enough. But I can't stand it when people don't have the guts to be themselves and instead hide being "it's the law" - when it isn't!!

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

The problem with misinformation is that most vapers fall in the same catagory. Most vapers will tell people they can vape anywhere because they still believe that its only water vapour that come out.

If vaping is 95% safer that means its not 100% safe and you should not be allowed to vape anywhere near non smokers/vapers

As the saying goes, give a man a rope and he will hang himself

 

[Hooked]

I'm faced with the dilemma of leaving my vape in the car and eating at my favourite restaurant or finding somewhere else to eat. The problem is the food is outstanding and the waiters and waitresses are excellent...

I guess time will tell...

When smoking in restaurants was banned it caused an uproar, with people saying that they won't eat out anymore etc. It never came to that, because people could still go outside to have their smoke after the meal. But the way that things are going, it's not going to be like that - unless one is prepared to walk 10m away.

There's apparently some or other human rights organisation that is fighting this proposed law because it places the smoker/vaper in danger. I certainly wouldn't want to walk away from the safety of the restaurant and stand in a dark place somewhere, vaping!

As for me, I can - at a stretch - survive a meal without a vape,but then it would be simply an eat-'n-go. It wouldn't be a social thing. I can't think of any good reason why I would spend an entire evening without vaping.

 

[RainstormZA]

The biggest problem we have, in my opinion, is the misinformation that is everywhere. I just recently had the "You know those things are worse than cigarettes" thrown at me. People who do not vape do not have the correct information and I don't think they are really interested in being corrected because it does not affect them. Taking the misinformed masses into consideration we should not be vaping everywhere just because we know better. I sincerely hope that vaping will not be bundled in with smoking when it comes to the new legislation. We should do everything we can to not aggravate the situation. Don't walk around stores blowing massive clouds. Don't blow massive clouds in the restaurant non-stop. Just go outside to vape. We had to do it when we were smoking, why can't we do it now?

Ditto. I try to vape in spots that aren't frequented often in public. I think it's just rude to blow smoke in everyone's direction and I treat the same as vaping. It's just rude and plain inconsiderate. I also put in special consideration for parents with babies and toddlers, one time a woman walked past with a baby in a pram, i held my vape in til she went past.

It's all about common sense to be considerate of others who don't vape or smoke. If my mother walks into my vaping spot and gets a cloudful in her face (thanks to the wind being unpredictable), then it's her fault because she knows I vape here, outside.

 

[Adephi]

On a lighter note, today we went to Chevy Lane in Bedford Centre. 3 tables in the general area had vapers. Given they where all MTL devices and everybody stuck to ninja vaping. No big clouds so the majority of the restaurant propably didn't notice.

But for the time I was there nobody was giving them any hassle.

If it wasn't for my folks being with us it would have been 4 tables ninja vaping.

 

[RainstormZA]

On a lighter note, today we went to Chevy Lane in Bedford Centre. 3 tables in the general area had vapers. Given they where all MTL devices and everybody stuck to ninja vaping. No big clouds so the majority of the restaurant propably didn't notice.

But for the time I was there nobody was giving them any hassle.

If it wasn't for my folks being with us it would have been 4 tables ninja vaping.