Lol but you quoted me saying "I think" and said I must not use personal estamates. So surely you yourself saw it as not facts, you even said I must come with facts? Lol, you have different rules for yourself?
I don't get it? HE gear.
- Thread starter Jean claude Vaaldamme
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In reference to;
“Im sure less than 0,05% of vapers in SA is active on this forum, and Im sure more than half of that small percentage definately dont drool over mods.
20 people on a forum that drool over HE mods will not feature in any statistics.
And yes my uncle do relate. 99% of people(men and women) dont know anything about vaping”
Iv said it before and ill say it again you’re hell bent on proving something and this whole butthurt thing(not aimed or personal, just stating as to how many thread about HE pricing there are) about HE is getting old fast
You got your answer many times and i have said this has been debated to death in my opining post.
If there was such a huge price conspiracy going on do you think these mods would sell so fast, people are not as stupid as you seem to infer.
Lol i love debating with you
I’m sure this gave people around here a good entertaining read on a boring Wednesday
Im sure you would have seen that I did not take part in these millions of HE threads. Im sure if you read again the first post you will see Im not aiming anything at HE gear but struggle to see how mech squonkers that look like they really have bad quality workmanship can be so expensive. So no butthurt or trying to prove something.In reference to;
“Im sure less than 0,05% of vapers in SA is active on this forum, and Im sure more than half of that small percentage definately dont drool over mods.
20 people on a forum that drool over HE mods will not feature in any statistics.
And yes my uncle do relate. 99% of people(men and women) dont know anything about vaping”
Iv said it before and ill say it again you’re hell bent on proving something and this whole butthurt thing(not aimed or personal, just stating as to how many thread about HE pricing there are) about HE is getting old fast
You got your answer many times and i have said this has been debated to death in my opining post.
If there was such a huge price conspiracy going on do you think these mods would sell so fast, people are not as stupid as you seem to infer.
Lol i love debating with youI’m sure this gave people around here a good entertaining read on a boring Wednesday
Butt on the subject, why you reffering to emosional stuff like vaping saved my life, bit of topic?
Just a bit of insite as to why a person like me would by a “plastic” mod.
To me it became a hobby so cost differ in allot of respects. I dont see it as huge price more of buying eye candy.
If i can afford it i wouldn’t mind paying any sort of price of something i want.
But that is why i said this has been debated to death, you could of ended this thread and gone and read up on previous ones about the costing.
If this means so much to you to get answers @Jean claude Vaaldamme why not do a bit of research first, speak with the makers of said plastic mods (not sure which ones you were referring to), ask them why they charging so much and please pretty please ask them about these sub standard materials they are using......
P.S the green mod you were referring to was a grail of mine and I finally acquired it. It's the Palm BF DNA75 by MMVapors look them up they make pretty neat squonkers.
P.S the green mod you were referring to was a grail of mine and I finally acquired it. It's the Palm BF DNA75 by MMVapors look them up they make pretty neat squonkers.
I suspect he might be referring to the price of some squonkers being very high and then the internals look like they were made by a 10 year old.
I have seen some photos of mid to high end squonkers where the internals really look like someone spent no more than 5 minutes making the internal contacts with some pliers.
If I buy a R3k+ squonker I would expect the internals to look like precision made stuff especially since it is about a 3rd of the mod and arguable the most important part.
Attached is a photo of the internals of my modified Stentorian RAM. The copper contact might look like it was made in a garage really quick from a leftover piece of plumbing pipe because that is exactly what it is.
I have seen some photos of mid to high end squonkers where the internals really look like someone spent no more than 5 minutes making the internal contacts with some pliers.
If I buy a R3k+ squonker I would expect the internals to look like precision made stuff especially since it is about a 3rd of the mod and arguable the most important part.
Attached is a photo of the internals of my modified Stentorian RAM. The copper contact might look like it was made in a garage really quick from a leftover piece of plumbing pipe because that is exactly what it is.
If I would give any critique it would be the internals of mech plastic squonkers. At the very least put a chamfer on the bottom part or punch a nipple in....worst is having to replace battery wraps every week....
That said I agree with @Jean claude Vaaldamme to be honest for the price at least make the L shaped thingy ma Bob better.....
That said I agree with @Jean claude Vaaldamme to be honest for the price at least make the L shaped thingy ma Bob better.....
Look i never said their workmanship was top notch or there finishes either, because i would be lying.
That been said i do think the international modders have better quality and finishes over the local guys. I do find the 510s and finishes are pretty good on international mods to.
Opinion based on hand made mech mods.
Yes and the bottles dont even line up with the squonk pin. Even my cheap mass production squonkers, at least line up, and if they dont line up, who cares if its a cheap mod, you can expect that.
Like someone compared the Nissan 1400 with a Ferrari. No problem, but dont ask a Ferrari price for a Nissan 1400.
Let me give a long story. I love camping. So a few years back one of the first 5star camping resorts in SA started getting attention. A bit off topic, the owner is currently in the news for allegedly killing his wife.
Anyway, this Mbizi resort was/is great, everything you need and a hefty price to support it.
But man if you visited camp forums, there was not any other resort that had so many complaints about it.
If you pay R300/d at a campsite and there is not enough hot water left when you want a shower, then you just take it on the chin. But if you pay R800/d for a campsite you will complain if that happen. You will also complain if the swimmingpool is not sparkling blue etc etc, where as you would maybe say nothing at a cheap resort.
And with all that said I still cant go camp with a Ferrari and have hotwater after everyone had a swim and went for a shower.
What freaks me out more is people who eat their desert first before the main meal.
I dip my chips in my milkshake
Please dont say its the mcdonalds range of paper products.
It is indeed!
Why not have atleast the HE range from STEERS. Love their chips and milkshakes
I like both of those a lot. Especially the look of the Monark - They diamond pattern on the doors, etc just makes it look awesome.
But be truthfull; do any of those two scream quality when you look at the internals?
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Im not a fan of the Monark.
Get a Bolt,vape it for a week with a proper RDA and build,your opinion will change.
That Bolt is a V2 or 2.5,older version so the internals will have some mileage on them.Remember the internals are not Spring Steel so will lose shape after excessive use,thats why some look butchered,but thats the beauty behindnit,you can bend it back and Bobs your uncle.
Get a Bolt,vape it for a week with a proper RDA and build,your opinion will change.
That Bolt is a V2 or 2.5,older version so the internals will have some mileage on them.Remember the internals are not Spring Steel so will lose shape after excessive use,thats why some look butchered,but thats the beauty behindnit,you can bend it back and Bobs your uncle.
HE gear is a subjective thing. A good comparison would be the following:
Why buy 2K Pumas over R200 stekkies from Pep? When they do the same thing?
Why buy a BMW over a Tata, when they both take you from point A to B?
It's all about preference.
To explain the costing of most HE mods is the time it takes to make it.
Now lets say Mr mod maker 1, has a full time job, he comes up with a brilliant idea to make the most beautiful mods under the sun. Now to do this full time he needs to average in what his hourly rate / time is worth.
Now I can assume a stabwood mod takes forever as it needs to be cut to size, polished over and over again, insides milled out to a certain spec, this could take a couple of hours to hundreds. Now lets say it takes 50 hours which might be under estimated.
Let's put that into an equation.
As some of these box mods comes from Germany, I will use their statistics.
The minimum hourly salary in Germany is €8.84 (ZAR 141,73), that would equate to 7086.5 in labor alone. The DNA 250c is around 600, making the total cost around R7686.5. Taking this into consideration, does these prices really seem so far fetched?
Yes it does the same exact thing as other mods with a dna250c. But so what?
When all has been said, I myself do not understand the pricing behind 3D printed mods. I can only assume it's the combination of material pricing + electricity pricing + maintenance on the machine.
If this same mod were made in china, their average hourly rate is $3.60 (ZAR 49,95), using same equation it would come down to 2497.5 + 600, making total cost R3097.5. That is if it were done by hand, however china uses factories to do these things, which would probably bring the price down drastically.
The above equations doesn't even account for the stab wood (cost estimate for 95mm x 95mm x 25mm is R800, which isn't even big enough), 510's, firing buttons, magnets (also expensive), battery sled, wiring, solder etc
On top of it all, all countries have taxes that need to apply.
Qucik salary sources:
https://www.expatica.com/de/employment/minimum-wage-germany-average-salary-germany_995112.html
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-hourly-rate-for-a-factory-worker-in-China
Why buy 2K Pumas over R200 stekkies from Pep? When they do the same thing?
Why buy a BMW over a Tata, when they both take you from point A to B?
It's all about preference.
To explain the costing of most HE mods is the time it takes to make it.
Now lets say Mr mod maker 1, has a full time job, he comes up with a brilliant idea to make the most beautiful mods under the sun. Now to do this full time he needs to average in what his hourly rate / time is worth.
Now I can assume a stabwood mod takes forever as it needs to be cut to size, polished over and over again, insides milled out to a certain spec, this could take a couple of hours to hundreds. Now lets say it takes 50 hours which might be under estimated.
Let's put that into an equation.
As some of these box mods comes from Germany, I will use their statistics.
The minimum hourly salary in Germany is €8.84 (ZAR 141,73), that would equate to 7086.5 in labor alone. The DNA 250c is around 600, making the total cost around R7686.5. Taking this into consideration, does these prices really seem so far fetched?
Yes it does the same exact thing as other mods with a dna250c. But so what?
When all has been said, I myself do not understand the pricing behind 3D printed mods. I can only assume it's the combination of material pricing + electricity pricing + maintenance on the machine.
If this same mod were made in china, their average hourly rate is $3.60 (ZAR 49,95), using same equation it would come down to 2497.5 + 600, making total cost R3097.5. That is if it were done by hand, however china uses factories to do these things, which would probably bring the price down drastically.
The above equations doesn't even account for the stab wood (cost estimate for 95mm x 95mm x 25mm is R800, which isn't even big enough), 510's, firing buttons, magnets (also expensive), battery sled, wiring, solder etc
On top of it all, all countries have taxes that need to apply.
Qucik salary sources:
https://www.expatica.com/de/employment/minimum-wage-germany-average-salary-germany_995112.html
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-hourly-rate-for-a-factory-worker-in-China
Also, the above applies to mechs as well, if you subtract the R600 board.
What I like to know , do you put it on your insurance as well ? Imagine your house burns down and all your R5000-10000 vape gear goes up in smoke.
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