I love you guys but seriously? This is pushing it all the way to the top

[Hardtail1969]

9600kbps.. that was mine... blazing speed...

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[Gersh]

Ran out of popcorn just in time


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[RichJB]

Failing this too, you still have the option of DIY, and if you want to spend the money to get started in DIY, by the end of your journey to achieving similar results to commercially available merchandise, you may have spent way more than the outright purchase of the item in question would have cost you to begin with.

This is certainly true up to a point on the time scale. You can buy an awful lot of stock coils for the money spent on a Daedalus, a coiling kit with tab, dozens of reels of imported wire, imported cotton hand-picked only by virgins at midnight on the Spring equinox when dewpoint is perfect, and so on. Likewise, you can buy a lot of commercial juice for the scale, bottles and other implements, base ingredients and 200+ concentrates which most DIYers will have in order to avoid the First Rule (and even then they will still be at least one concentrate short). So in the short term, DIY will probably be more expensive than buying commercial, not less. But if one is in vaping for the long haul, the savings on DIY soon outstrip the high initial start-up costs.

People question the received wisdom that "vaping is cheaper than smoking". And, certainly the way that many here practise it, it isn't. For their monthly vape budget, they could have smoked 100 cigarettes a day and still spent less. I have now almost ceased hardware purchases and my DIY is restricted to replacing the concentrates I use up, with occasional small purchases of new concentrates to expand my stock. I can vape very easily for R200-R300 a month now, which is half of what I spent on smoking.

Of course, it will take me a while to amortise my start-up costs in vaping, where I was spending far more on gear than I would have on cigarettes. But I'll get there. The other factor which is significant is that vaping costs are quite static and there is even a degree of deflation in DIY concentrates, with competition driving prices down as the market settles. Cigarettes are increasing at normal inflationary rates coupled with annual 'sin tax' increases. So my break-even point may come sooner than I had anticipated. After that, it's all win.

 

[Pixstar]

This is certainly true up to a point on the time scale. You can buy an awful lot of stock coils for the money spent on a Daedalus, a coiling kit with tab, dozens of reels of imported wire, imported cotton hand-picked only by virgins at midnight on the Spring equinox when dewpoint is perfect, and so on. Likewise, you can buy a lot of commercial juice for the scale, bottles and other implements, base ingredients and 200+ concentrates which most DIYers will have in order to avoid the First Rule (and even then they will still be at least one concentrate short). So in the short term, DIY will probably be more expensive than buying commercial, not less. But if one is in vaping for the long haul, the savings on DIY soon outstrip the high initial start-up costs.

People question the received wisdom that "vaping is cheaper than smoking". And, certainly the way that many here practise it, it isn't. For their monthly vape budget, they could have smoked 100 cigarettes a day and still spent less. I have now almost ceased hardware purchases and my DIY is restricted to replacing the concentrates I use up, with occasional small purchases of new concentrates to expand my stock. I can vape very easily for R200-R300 a month now, which is half of what I spent on smoking.

Of course, it will take me a while to amortise my start-up costs in vaping, where I was spending far more on gear than I would have on cigarettes. But I'll get there. The other factor which is significant is that vaping costs are quite static and there is even a degree of deflation in DIY concentrates, with competition driving prices down as the market settles. Cigarettes are increasing at normal inflationary rates coupled with annual 'sin tax' increases. So my break-even point may come sooner than I had anticipated. After that, it's all win.

Very good points made. My fear is what inevitable regulations will do to pricing...

 

[Gersh]

This is certainly true up to a point on the time scale. You can buy an awful lot of stock coils for the money spent on a Daedalus, a coiling kit with tab, dozens of reels of imported wire, imported cotton hand-picked only by virgins at midnight on the Spring equinox when dewpoint is perfect, and so on. Likewise, you can buy a lot of commercial juice for the scale, bottles and other implements, base ingredients and 200+ concentrates which most DIYers will have in order to avoid the First Rule (and even then they will still be at least one concentrate short). So in the short term, DIY will probably be more expensive than buying commercial, not less. But if one is in vaping for the long haul, the savings on DIY soon outstrip the high initial start-up costs.

People question the received wisdom that "vaping is cheaper than smoking". And, certainly the way that many here practise it, it isn't. For their monthly vape budget, they could have smoked 100 cigarettes a day and still spent less. I have now almost ceased hardware purchases and my DIY is restricted to replacing the concentrates I use up, with occasional small purchases of new concentrates to expand my stock. I can vape very easily for R200-R300 a month now, which is half of what I spent on smoking.

Of course, it will take me a while to amortise my start-up costs in vaping, where I was spending far more on gear than I would have on cigarettes. But I'll get there. The other factor which is significant is that vaping costs are quite static and there is even a degree of deflation in DIY concentrates, with competition driving prices down as the market settles. Cigarettes are increasing at normal inflationary rates coupled with annual 'sin tax' increases. So my break-even point may come sooner than I had anticipated. After that, it's all win.

Wow great detailed informative reply . Thanks @RichJB .

 

[Calvinh]

@BillW If you read and understood the tone of my post you will observe that I am not taking a stab at Sir Vape. (The vendor) I buy all my vape gear there, I always support them and sing their praises as I work a few kilometres away from them. As much as it is a free market, I am entitled to express my opinion on this forum. The thrust of my post is where are we heading when we can now buy 2 coils for R120?

Have you never in your life once claimed that something is too expensive?

I guess i just find my new go to "collection connection" ? Seeing how i live and work in Kloof - Cause petrol is EXPENSIVE.

 

[RichJB]

Very good points made. My fear is what inevitable regulations will do to pricing...

Yeah, I think regulation will inevitably bring sin taxation to vaping and will drive prices upwards. There may also be additional costs for juice manufacturers in particular. I could see govt classifying juice as a product subject to compulsory specifications which, in turn, might require juice manufacturers to be certified to the appropriate ISO standard. Even if they are already in compliance and wouldn't need any equipment purchases or upgrading to attain certification, there is still the unavoidable cost of paying for the certification itself. And that ain't cheap.

However, that should be countered somewhat by vaping becoming more mainstream and the downward pressure that leveraging economies of scale enables. Currently the juice industry consists of thousands of small manufacturers, none of whom can manufacture in the bulk quantities required to leverage economies of scale. It's an uncapitalistic structure that is unlikely to sustain. When you buy chips at your supermarket, you don't have 874 brands to choose from. It's Simba, Willard's, Lay's, Pringles and a few more. When you buy mayonnaise, you don't have 640 brands to choose from, it's Hellman's, Crosse & Blackwell, Nola and a few others.

It is inevitable that the juice industry will rationalise at some point and move towards the "handful of giant suppliers" that capitalism produces. Big pharma has already started producing e-juice lines. They can manufacture a million liters of juice a month and not even blink. It won't even dent their monolithic chemical manufacturing capacity. That will surely drive prices downwards again. As with all emerging industries, prices will fluctuate as the market settles and matures, and the bigger longer-term players entrench themselves.

 

[Strontium]

Dunno about needing a Daedalus et al, my needs are far simpler.
Bought some wire for R100, wrapped it sound a drill bit a few times, trimmed with nail clippers, job done.

 

[Silver]

Hi guys

I understand how this is all related - but please bear in mind, we are in the Sir Vape subforum - and the topic is on the coils in question

Lets rather take the detailed discussions on other topics into another thread