Issues

[Buan Stanley]

Hi there all

I seem to having major issues with regulated mods they keep breaking.

My subox now doesn't show the battery is charged but it fires a mech mod perfectly any charged battery the subox shows as flat WHY


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[Eequinox]

Hi there all

I seem to having major issues with regulated mods they keep breaking.

My subox now doesn't show the battery is charged but it fires a mech mod perfectly any charged battery the subox shows as flat WHY


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Thats a good question have you tried other batteries in it that you know are fully charged and not just a strange coincidence

 

[Buan Stanley]

I have four batteries all four show on the subox that it's flat ... But it in my mech mod hits like a steam train


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[Eequinox]

I have four batteries all four show on the subox that it's flat ... But it in my mech mod hits like a steam train


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remember that the regulated mods will not fire when a battery reaches a certain voltage as to protect over draining the battery which will no allow it to charge.A mech mod that is un regulated will fire if there is enough juice in the battery regardless if its close to the low threshold voltage or not and can damage the battery if you have a multimeter check what the true voltage of the battery is

 

[Buan Stanley]

All show above 3.2 volts


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[DoubleD]

All show above 3.2 volts


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3.2v is a bit low boet, charge those puppies and try again at 4.2v

 

[BumbleBee]

The Subox will read any battery under 3.47v as "flat"

 

[zadiac]

3.2v is a bit low boet, charge those puppies and try again at 4.2v

Yeah, you shouldn't discharge your batteries that low. Not good for them. Will reduce the overall battery life significantly. I change batts at 3.7 volts.

 

[Buan Stanley]

That's so stupid though as you don't even get half the use outta them


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[zadiac]

Well, if you want to cut your battery life in half, then it's obviously your choice. We're just giving advice here bud. What you do with it, is up to you.
I can go a whole day on 4 batts (I have a dual battery squonker) and still only discharge to 3.7-3.6 volts. That's very acceptable to me.

 

[Buan Stanley]

Zadiac my apologies I wasn't aiming that comment at you sir.

I was meaning it's doff that a person buys a 4.2 volt battery but can't even use one volt of the battery life


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[GerharddP]

Zadiac my apologies I wasn't aiming that comment at you sir.

I was meaning it's doff that a person buys a 4.2 volt battery but can't even use one volt of the battery life


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Dont take this comment the wrong way bud but you have a lot to learn about Li batteries. A Li battery has most of its use at around 3.8 to 3.6 volts. After that the internal resistance starts to overcome the voltage "drive" force. Its not like a "penlight" battery that is dependant on volts almost solely to measure its capacity. Go to www.batteryuniversity.com and educate yourself not only on how it works but how to make it work safely. A bat at 3.2 and less becomes unstable and dangerous.

 

[Coco]

It is "stupid", but it is there for valid reasons -

1. It protects the battery
2. It protects the vaper
3. It protects the battery life
4. It protects the vaper
5. It makes sure things like venting doesn't happen
6. It protects the vaper
7. etc.
8. It protects the vaper

Make no mistake - we are sucking on little bombs with highly volatile chemicals providing the power. It is all fun and games until somebody loses an eye or a tooth or burns...

Like this guy...

 

[GerharddP]

It is "stupid", but it is there for valid reasons -

1. It protects the battery
2. It protects the vaper
3. It protects the battery life
4. It protects the vaper
5. It makes sure things like venting doesn't happen
6. It protects the vaper
7. etc.
8. It protects the vaper

Make no mistake - we are sucking on little bombs with highly volatile chemicals providing the power. It is all fun and games until somebody loses an eye or a tooth or burns...

Like this guy...

I wouldn't compare it to a bomb. Its more of a rubber band that has the potential to store a lot of energy in a controlled fashion. If you stretch the band it has the potential to snap were as a bomb is made to detonate. But yes we need to educate guys on battery safety because this industry needs to be praised and not sensored or governed.

 

[Coco]

I wouldn't compare it to a bomb. Its more of a rubber band that has the potential to store a lot of energy in a controlled fashion. If you stretch the band it has the potential to snap were as a bomb is made to detonate.

I stand corrected But yes, your explanation is spot-on - it is not made to explode, but in the wrong hands things can go wrong.

 

[Buan Stanley]

I do t think I'm unsafe with my batteries just didn't remember the little discharge issue


Thanks all


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[GerharddP]

I do t think I'm unsafe with my batteries just didn't remember the little discharge issue


Thanks all


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Just be safe mate. Those photos are real and avoidable...

 

[Silver]

Hi @Buan Stanley
I totally understand your view that its "doff" that on mechanical devices we only go from 4.2V down to about 3.7 or 3.6. I felt the same way as you a while back

But the other guys are right about the safety aspects and the life of the battery being affected if it goes too low. I was always under the impression one can take it down safely to about 3V though. Although i have never done that. The vape gets too weak from about 3.5V onwards for me. I have heard that the battery can go even lower to about 2.5V before it causes a big problem for the battery but i am not sure about that

Developing on from this on a slightly different topic - i find it very interesting how most battery specs will say like 2500 mah, but on the battery discharging charts I have seen, they mostly take those batts down to like 2.5V or thereabouts. So the actual usable mah (down to about 3.7V) is much, much less than the stated 2500 mah. Its about a third of that - if that.

All very interesting and learning all the time

 

[Pixstar]

Hi guys. Frightening stuff! To clarify, is it safe then to vape with a battery on a regulated mod (Kanger Subox / IPV D2) unitl the mod tells you it's "flat" and stops? I find the IPV D2 runs it flatter because when I place the batteries on the charger it shows at at lower percentage charge than with the Subox. Thanks.

 

[kev mac]

Hi there all

I seem to having major issues with regulated mods they keep breaking.

My subox now doesn't show the battery is charged but it fires a mech mod perfectly any charged battery the subox shows as flat WHY


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Does the subbox still fire w/those batteries?

 

[Silver]

Hi guys. Frightening stuff! To clarify, is it safe then to vape with a battery on a regulated mod (Kanger Subox / IPV D2) unitl the mod tells you it's "flat" and stops? I find the IPV D2 runs it flatter because when I place the batteries on the charger it shows at at lower percentage charge than with the Subox. Thanks.

Hi @Pixstar , i am of the opinion that its safe to vape on a good regulated mod until the mod says its flat. If you use the correct battery that the mod is supposed to use, of course.

 

[Buan Stanley]

Thanks for the advice all I am now definitely more careful with batteries and battery usage


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[Pixstar]

Hi @Pixstar , i am of the opinion that its safe to vape on a good regulated mod until the mod says its flat. If you use the correct battery that the mod is supposed to use, of course.

Thanks @Silver !

 

[Andre]

Hi guys. Frightening stuff! To clarify, is it safe then to vape with a battery on a regulated mod (Kanger Subox / IPV D2) unitl the mod tells you it's "flat" and stops? I find the IPV D2 runs it flatter because when I place the batteries on the charger it shows at at lower percentage charge than with the Subox. Thanks.

Agree with @Silver. Absolutely safe. Most regulated mods will take it down to about 3.2V. Personally, I think it is an urban myth that our batteries should not be discharged below 3.6/3.7 for better battery life. I would love to see evidence to this effect. For sure, if you use a mech mod, at this stage (around 3.7V) you will feel the need for fresh batteries, but regulated mods have the ability to garner the battery's resources to still deliver effective power down to around 3.2V. The mech user will just charge more frequently, but shorter - whilst the regulated user will charge less frequently, but longer. In the end the battery in use life will be very much similar imho.

 

[Gazzacpt]

Agree with @Silver. Absolutely safe. Most regulated mods will take it down to about 3.2V. Personally, I think it is an urban myth that our batteries should not be discharged below 3.6/3.7 for better battery life. I would love to see evidence to this effect. For sure, if you use a mech mod, at this stage (around 3.7V) you will feel the need for fresh batteries, but regulated mods have the ability to garner the battery's resources to still deliver effective power down to around 3.2V. The mech user will just charge more frequently, but shorter - whilst the regulated user will charge less frequently, but longer. In the end the battery in use life will be very much similar imho.

I remember something I read a while ago that 2.5V is the point of no return. If you at 2.5V under load you causing a bit of damage and below 2.5V no load you might have issues getting the cell to take a charge again.
But that being said there are so many variations on li ion chemistry that one type gets unstable at 2.5V and another at 3.0 so I make damn sure I never drop below 3.0 - 3.2V.
As you say at 3.6 you can definitely feel the vape is a bit weak. At 3.5V on a mech you effectively have a flat battery.