Kangertech Tanks - Point To Ponder

[JakesSA]

At the time of writing this post I had, and still have no intention of creating an issue about this..this has merely been a post of ponder based on chatting to people with sub tanks and hearing the same comment..
Had a dud coil and threw it away and fitted new one..
I guess if every faulty coil had to be closely inspected and tested it could go either way, user problem, defective tank or actual faulty coil..
Because the item of value is so small and one doesn't have the time or experience or even equipment to analyse the problem it's far easier to toss it.
Let's be honest how many of us who have a problem coil will jump in our car and drive back to our vendor for them to look at it. Never mind the people who buy via courier service.
What is just interesting is that when you put a rough monetary value on this based on number of people posting about faulty coils it becomes millions we talking here
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Not an 'issue' at all, I think this is a good discussion and an important one to have.

Perhaps as a vendor it may appear that it's in my best interest to defend a product, but in reality it is not. If any product has, on average, negative feedback I stop selling it, finish and klaar. Selling bad products is bad business and more importantly may ruin someone's vaping experience, sending them back to the stinkies. I am however saying that evidence from my viewpoint is quite to the contrary. I also have had returned to me a few sub tank minis because of leaking problems and having followed the procedure mentioned earlier found all of them to be working in line with their capabilities. Some of them did have some badly abused coils though.

I am not denying that this is a commonly discussed issue to be found on forums either but the problem with forums are that they are, generally, places where people go to discuss problems, it's not like people have a tendency to go on a forum and post: "I put in another coil today and it works fine." Add to that a component of overzealous brand (and method) supporters and the odd troll and you have a lively 'discussion'. I am not referring to this thread btw just the nature of forums in general.

I contribute to this thread only so that perhaps the average guy/gal doesn't just accept the 'it's a dud coil' excuse, which has become so prevalent, but also considers other possibilities. It may save 'em a good amount of money in the long run.

 

[Andre]

Excellent points, 1 thing can never be for everybody.

It is precisely why I steer all newbies away from Kanger STM, despite common 'wisdom', even around here. Make no mistake, when they work, they are some of the best, but when they don't - I don't gamble with the cash of others.

Interesting point @Coco. What do you steer them newbies to?

 

[Coco]

Interesting point @Coco. What do you steer them newbies to?

For me, recommending something is a case of -

1. I would actually use it daily (bonus points if I do)
2. It is problem-free (leaks, coils getting stuck)
3. It has not too much jiggly-bits (I cringe going directly to VW and/or TC - enough to worry about starting off)
4. It is upgradable to the next level without too much issues
5. It doesn't break the bank

Currently the closest for me currently is the iJust2 kit. Some caveats -

1. I suggest getting at least one 1.8 ohm coil (Aspire) with it to try as well
2. Make sure they know they need extras if/when they find the sweetspot
3. Actually, I lend one of mine to get them to try first
4. Most vendors are stuck on the Subbox trend, so only a limited number of places to go to

So not perfect... eGo One is not bad either (I have 2 in circulation), not quite as "problem free".

EDIT: #6 on my personal requirements - I have not just used it for a day or two...

 

[Nick]

Just to pee against the wind.. I have had my subtank for 3 weeks... have bought two coils first one lasted 2 weeks which is still OK I just changed it because it seemed wrong to last that long.. second one is a week only. .. 0.5ohm at 30 watts...

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[Coco]

Just to pee against the wind.. I have had my subtank for 3 weeks... have bought two coils first one lasted 2 weeks which is still OK I just changed it because it seemed wrong to last that long.. second one is a week only. .. 0.5ohm at 30 watts...

Makes sense, not all are bad all the time

Actually worked it out today on OCC coils, good thing is that I'm somewhat obsessive and keep writing stuff down. This is my cost/per coil for me on the various types, i.e. price * totalcoils/workingnumber. (Working at a cost of R50/coil). These are my experiences, I've probably been lucky on some or very unlucky on others.

Ni - R71.43/coil (30 total)
0.5 - R56.76/coil (42 total)
1.2 - R50/coil (5 total)
1.5 - R50/coil (3 total)

0.5's are a bit funny - I used these almost exclusively on the V1-pissing-like-a-firehydrant-tank release. V2 STM is better, not perfect, better.

EDIT: My obsessiveness makes me changes coils weekly, no matter the mls of liquid I put through it. Yes, it is a waste - hence having some larger numbers than I should have had and probably throwing away more good money.

 

[Andre]

For me, recommending something is a case of -

1. I would actually use it daily (bonus points if I do)
2. It is problem-free (leaks, coils getting stuck)
3. It has not too much jiggly-bits (I cringe going directly to VW and/or TC - enough to worry about starting off)
4. It is upgradable to the next level without too much issues
5. It doesn't break the bank

Currently the closest for me currently is the iJust2 kit. Some caveats -

1. I suggest getting at least one 1.8 ohm coil (Aspire) with it to try as well
2. Make sure they know they need extras if/when they find the sweetspot
3. Actually, I lend one of mine to get them to try first
4. Most vendors are stuck on the Subbox trend, so only a limited number of places to go to

So not perfect... eGo One is not bad either (I have 2 in circulation), not quite as "problem free".

EDIT: #6 on my personal requirements - I have not just used it for a day or two...

Awesome, thank you. I have thus far recommended the Subox Mini kit from HRH's personal experiences and what others have been saying on here. But I would like to be able to give an alternative too - also from a costs perspective. Am going to try yours to experience it first hand. Would it be too much to ask for links to the iJust kit and to that Aspire coil so I can buy same? Yeah, the eGo One is certainly not problem free - why I am very excited to try your option.

 

[DougP]

I sitting in corner watching this post since I got my butt kicked earlier by jackssa.
Never gonna troll again..



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[Coco]

Would it be too much to ask for links to the iJust kit and to that Aspire coil so I can buy same? Yeah, the eGo One is certainly not problem free - why I am very excited to try your option.

Not an issue, options are good, not everything works for everybody. Choice is good.

The Vape Shop carries the iJust2 kit. However atm, they are out of stock on the kits (I swung past there today), but they have the tanks in stock. eCiggies carries the kit, tanks & batteries. I have seen these at other online vendors, really cannot recall who has them, but could scratch around and update. (Vape Decadence is one, they seem to have stock)

Available coils are - 0.5 Melo, 0.3 iJust2 (this is what it comes with) & 1.8 Aspire. (0.4 Aspire, etc. also does the trick - those sizes are pretty standard)

EDIT: And... if I need to recommend Kanger, the Nano it is, those are problem-free in my experience, well, apart from using the same coils which may be an issue

EDIT2: Update eCiggies (they are in-stock there) as well as Vape Decadence.

 

[Coco]

I sitting in corner watching this post since I got my butt kicked earlier by jackssa.
Never gonna troll again..

Want my EVOD numbers over 2 years? I promise I did better than Silver

 

[n0ugh7_zw]

mmmm, I still use mine a little (have a lot of great pieces so it doesn't get the time it deserves)

I believe in being upfront about recommendations, there is no perfect device.

I've got 2 subtanks mini's the original single slot one and the dual slot one. I run these at 13.5W with the 0.5ohm stock coils. and have gone through 15ml+ per day on them, for days on end, and they've been solid performers.

So far after about 20 or so coils i've not had a dud, that is probably fools luck. However, I have noticed that even with a brand new coil, if you let the tank sit on its side for a day or 2 it'll leak.

My only real complaint about the subtank mini, and this is an obscure one. If you vape them heavy for 2 days, on the third day you have to wash the base out, else you get condensation leaking everywhere.

All things being equal though... I'd recommend a Goliath V2 by UD instead of the Subtank Mini.

Excellent pre-built coils, and a super easy rebuildable deck.

 

[Andre]

Not an issue, options are good, not everything works for everybody. Choice is good.

The Vape Shop carries the iJust2 kit. However atm, they are out of stock on the kits (I swung past there today), but they have the tanks in stock. eCiggies also carries the tanks only. I have seen these at other online vendors, really cannot recall who has them, but could scratch around and update.

Available coils are - 0.5 Melo, 0.3 iJust2 (this is what it comes with) & 1.8 Aspire. (0.4 Aspire, etc. also does the trick - those sizes are pretty standard)

EDIT: And... if I need to recommend Kanger, the Nano it is, those are problem-free in my experience, well, apart from using the same coils which may be an issue

Thanks @Coco. Is this it: http://www.vapedecadence.co.za/product/eleaf-ijust2-sub-ohm-kit/ ?
Coils - there are so many with Aspire in the name here. Which will work please?

 

[Coco]

Thanks @Coco. Is this it: http://www.vapedecadence.co.za/product/eleaf-ijust2-sub-ohm-kit/ ?

Indeed. As well as http://eciggies.co.za/eCiggies_Kits/Eleaf-iJust2-STARTER-KIT-2600mAh

Comes with 1 x 0.3 coil, the Melo 0.5 works, as does the Apire coils, e.g. Atlantis-compatible (some newbies like them - I like MTL, but find the coils too restrictive) - http://eciggies.co.za/Dual-Coil-Clearomizers/Aspire-Triton-5PACK-COILS-Kanthal-1.8ohm

I hand out the kit to try with a subohm and Aspire coil to find the sweetspot. Make no mistake, the STM kit does better in 'have it all in the box'.

 

[Kuhlkatz]

I sitting in corner watching this post since I got my butt kicked earlier by jackssa.
Never gonna troll again..

hahaha, @DougP, no need - it's a dialogue and we all have opinions. @JakesSA is one of the most chilled and more helpful guys around, so you might just be a bit sensitive. As a vendor, he is definitely not in this game to take everyone for a ride, but I'm sure he's had his fair share of problems to deal with and sort out.

I contribute to this thread only so that perhaps the average guy/gal doesn't just accept the 'it's a dud coil' excuse, which has become so prevalent, but also considers other possibilities. It may save 'em a good amount of money in the long run.

That says it all

 

[DougP]

I know having a little stab at him in jest

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[JakesSA]

Heh no worries, I have come to realise that vaping is also introducing a lot of people to forum life for the first time, which is really why I made that statement.

That iJust2 does look like a nice battery, the only reason I won't recommend it is because of the increased likelihood for some people opting for an upgrade rather quickly after purchasing one, same as the Joytech eGo jobbies. Nothing more embarrassing for me than someone coming back two weeks after selling him an eGo One saying he should have bought a so and so. Feels like I failed somehow. Not that it happens every time but still ..

 

[DougP]

@jakes
Been an interesting discussion and really enjoying your contribution from a vendor side..
One also learns when posting on these forums never to take things personally and also to respect people's contributions even if you disagree with it.

That said I have put on a crash helmet and my favorite troll tee shirt and will now search for ..
Why vendors don't print disclaimer/warning labels on the packs of coils they sell..





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[n0ugh7_zw]

Heh no worries, I have come to realise that vaping is also introducing a lot of people to forum life for the first time, which is really why I made that statement.

That iJust2 does look like a nice battery, the only reason I won't recommend it is because of the increased likelihood for some people opting for an upgrade rather quickly after purchasing one, same as the Joytech eGo jobbies. Nothing more embarrassing for me than someone coming back two weeks after selling him an eGo One saying he should have bought a so and so. Feels like I failed somehow. Not that it happens every time but still ..

I don't think you should count that as a failure. You're a great vendor.

I know for myself my tastes change every week I call it pigeon syndrome, an attraction to shiny new things.

 

[Chilli]

Wow this post is exactly what I needed.

I've had my subox mini three weeks now and have countless leaking issues. After numerous coils (4) I'm glad to to vaping. I almost went back to the stinkies out of fustration.

From I read it's just better to build your own coils.

I will giving it a bash for a first time this morning, wish me luck

 

[Coco]

I've had my subox mini three weeks now and have countless leaking issues.

@Chilli there are some good pointers in here to minimise leaking.

1. Follow @JakesSA advice on cleaning the base (His post is really good and summarises the common wisdom for the STM out there)
2. Make sure to prime properly when refilling
3. Don't let it lie on it's side overnight or for expended periods
4. Don't let it stand upright overnight, I turn mine around (My addition, I found this helps me)
5. When building, make sure you have enough wick (too little = leaking, too much = burnt)

As I've said numerous times (despite me being in the anti-camp), they are great little devices, just not as problem free as I would have liked.

Share your builds when done

 

[Chilli]

How do I explain.....it's making clouds but the flavour is not as "crisp" as before. Is is the wick or the coil?

 

[Coco]

How do I explain.....it's making clouds but the flavour is not as "crisp" as before. Is is the wick or the coil?

Not sure for the STM, the RBA is very small for my old eyes, so when I build I use big decks like the Velocity, i.e. I can see and my clumsy fingers fit.

There has been some builders in here like @n0ugh7_zw so I'm hoping they would chime in with your STM build.

Congrats anyway

 

[DougP]

Chilli if you willing to make a trip to the northern suburbs I can take you through a coil build session...
I have three off these devices in daily use and churn out all my coils for them..
Once you see how to do it once you will be sorted going forward

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[DougP]

With regards to leaking this really it's not the norm.
Few other little points..
Remove coil.. Wash bottom base thoroughly under hot water (part where air vents are) Now screw in coil first till tight then screw base back on mod.
If you screwed base onto mod first then coil you will see that although coil is tight it's actually not because center pin is a fraction longer. Always remove tank from mod when you put in me coil.
Lastly when filing tank don't fill to height higher than where the paint starts on chimney
It's about 4 mm


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[DougP]

Best coil for these
26 g kanthel
7 wraps around little blue screw driver
Should come in at 0.6 ohm
Vape at roughly 16 watts

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[DougP]

Here is link to other thread we chatting about coils..
http://www.ecigssa.co.za/index.php?threads/15123/

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