KZOR's Recipe Archive : Mint Toffee

Strontium · 7/7/17

aktorsyl said:
Oh good, this again.

Yeah, I don't agree with you at all. Here's why.

This is probably a fruitless exercise, but nevertheless, here goes:

1) DIY'ers are DIY'ers because they mix their own juices. They don't buy the majority of their juice. They mix it. If there would suddenly be a law or force of nature or something that magically prevented DIY'ers from cloning Frosteez, then they'd clone something else. They wouldn't suddenly start buying Frosteez, for goodness sake.

2) People who don't DIY aren't making cloned recipes, and so they're still buying their juice.

Whether something is cloned or not makes very little difference to actual sales.
Implying that it's morally wrong to clone local juice while it's fine to clone international juice is not a valid or a sound argument in any way, shape or form either. In fact, it's weird.

3) DIY'ers identify reference flavour profiles that they want to mix / emulate / simulate / clone / strive towards / whatever word doesn't trigger you. They do this because:

a) they really like the reference flavour and thinks it's amazing; and
b) because they're DIY'ers, which is a legit hobby, they want to push themselves towards developing a mix that resembles a successful juice line - it's a strong feeling of accomplishment and a testimony to their skills and experience as mixologists; and
c) it's what they do, it's what they enjoy, it's what they love doing. They're not harming sales, they're not harming people, they're not skinning kittens.

I mean, gosh. Commenting in a thread dedicated to DIY endeavour about how DIY-cloning is morally wrong is ridiculous. I mean no offense to you, DirtyD, but honestly now. No one's going into the vendor forums and saying "omg you guys are morally wrong for selling this juice at R8 per 1ml if it can be made for 70c per 1ml". If you don't like the practice, I'm not entirely sure why you would comment in an arena where you know it's just going to get a "ugh not again" response. Live and let live, man. Life's too short to start heated debates that never have any clear winners and will never be resolved. Our ECIGGSA community is too small to have infighting and bickering about every little thing

I wish people would stop being triggered for everything.

Live and let live.

PS: I say "they" when I talk about DIY'ers, but for the record (and as most of you know), I'm an avid DIY'er myself and include myself when referring to this group.

Agree with every single aspect of this post

Clouds4Days · 7/7/17

You guys and this Frosties kak...

I was vaping a frosties juice (that a mixer actually shared here on the forum) like 4 months before frosteez came out.

This screenshot was taken last year (2016) August but post was made before than.

Strontium · 7/7/17

Clouds4Days said:
You guys and this Frosties kak...

I was vaping a frosties juice (that a mixer actually shared here on the forum) like 4 months before frosteez came out. So if yous guys think the chicken came before the egg yous are all very mistaken.

This screenshot was taken last year (2016) August but post was made before than.

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That recipe is a winner

rogue zombie · 7/7/17

DirtyD said:
If I was the mixer of Frosteez , and I work almost a full year on a recipe that broke the vape market and probably sold out in a record time - I would either be a) glad someones taking it up to figure out my recipes or b) be pissed off that fellow local South African's are taking food out of my mouth and directly relating their recipes with my recipe I worked on very hard.... I think B fits the profile in SA , it's not like we have a international status here and I would hate it if someone openly mentions my juice name and says his DIY is closer to my juice name...

I know this is your forum and I love your Youtube videos and DIY recipes , but this is just my honest opinion @KZOR ...

IMO A is the correct answer.

The juice maker should be flattered.... and carry on making the great profit margins they are for a good recipe.

There are 2 different Ejuice markets - those that buy concentrates, and those that buy ready made juice. They hardly make a dent in each other's worlds.

DanielSLP · 7/7/17

@KZOR dude keep posting your recipes. It's about time the DIY community pushes back on this BS of not cloning local juices. Honestly couldn't be bothered anymore. I will happily hand out every clone I have made from now on. Maybe it's time we post a local clone recipe thread.

Tired of everyone thinking the local market is soooo original. Yet 90% are clones of popular international eliquid. Frosteez is by no means a new profile. Welcome to DIY where we already have all these profiles before they hit the commercial market.

RichJB · 7/7/17

I'm in agreement with @aktorsyl. Although:

aktorsyl said:
b) because they're DIY'ers, which is a legit hobby, they want to push themselves towards developing a mix that resembles a successful juice line - it's a strong feeling of accomplishment and a testimony to their skills and experience as mixologists;

I realise I may be the exception here but I want my juices to compare to Simply Cannoli, Funfetti, Sugar Cookies and Cream. If you had to ask me what commercial juice my recipe should most closely resemble, I honestly couldn't answer. I can't vote on any of the "favourite local juice of 2017" threads because I have NFI what any of them taste like. Since I started DIY, I haven't bought a single commercial juice.

If a new vendor opens and tells me I can get 20 free concentrates if I'm there at 6am on opening day, I'm setting my alarm and getting there on time. If they tell me I can get 10 liters of any juice(s) of my choice, I'm sleeping in. Ask me to review a concentrate, one-shot, nic, base, scale, stirrer or whatever in DIY, I'm always up for it. Ask me to review a commercial juice and I have no inclination.

Vaping is too broad to try and do everything imo. I don't do commercial juice, tanks, big bulky 3- and 4-cell mods, fancy coils, TC. It's not that I have anything against them, it's just not in my wheelhouse. I drip with mainly simple coils at moderate resistances and 30-40W in wattage mode. DIY is already deep and complex enough for me, too deep actually as I can't even keep up with all the new flavours and brands and ATF recipes appearing. Narrowing my focus and eliminating the rest allows me to keep things relatively under control.

aktorsyl · 7/7/17

RichJB said:
I'm in agreement with @aktorsyl. Although:

I realise I may be the exception here but I want my juices to compare to Simply Cannoli, Funfetti, Sugar Cookies and Cream. If you had to ask me what commercial juice my recipe should most closely resemble, I honestly couldn't answer. I can't vote on any of the "favourite local juice of 2017" threads because I have NFI what any of them taste like. Since I started DIY, I haven't bought a single commercial juice.

If a new vendor opens and tells me I can get 20 free concentrates if I'm there at 6am on opening day, I'm setting my alarm and getting there on time. If they tell me I can get 10 liters of any juice(s) of my choice, I'm sleeping in. Ask me to review a concentrate, one-shot, nic, base, scale, stirrer or whatever in DIY, I'm always up for it. Ask me to review a commercial juice and I have no inclination.

Vaping is too broad to try and do everything imo. I don't do commercial juice, tanks, big bulky 3- and 4-cell mods, fancy coils, TC. It's not that I have anything against them, it's just not in my wheelhouse. I drip with mainly simple coils at moderate resistances and 30-40W in wattage mode. DIY is already deep and complex enough for me, too deep actually as I can't even keep up with all the new flavours and brands and ATF recipes appearing. Narrowing my focus and eliminating the rest allows me to keep things relatively under control.

Oh, absolutely. I should probably have rephrased that to say "in addition to striving to perfect their own creations". I still remember the day I regarded my Peanut Presley as "just right". There's nothing quite like that satisfaction knowing that you made something good.

Greyz · 8/7/17

I'm of the opinion that I agree with @RichJB @Caveman and the like. I dont think attempting to clone or replicate a local juice and \or sharing that recipe should be looked down upon.
In fact if I was the creator of said juice I'd feel kind of flattered that someone(s) put in the effort to try replicate my work. I'd feel a little boastful knowing my juice had such an impact.

Lets be honest and upfront, a DIY'er trying to clone an international or local juice is in no way robbing from the juice originator.
The creator of said juice lost nothing as the DIY'er was never his target market. Someone who buys commercial juice amd is happy that way will continue that way. The DIY'er that prefers to go find recipes and experiment was never going to buy said juice to begin with.

IMO no harm, no foul.

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method1 · 8/7/17

Clouds4Days said:
You guys and this Frosties kak...

I was vaping a frosties juice (that a mixer actually shared here on the forum) like 4 months before frosteez came out.

This screenshot was taken last year (2016) August but post was made before than.

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At least.. just credit the original mixer (shroomalistic)

http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/410262

Andre · 8/7/17

method1 said:
At least.. just credit the original mixer (shroomalistic)

http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/410262

In the original post (in our Breakfast Recipes thread) here, the original mixer is in fact acknowledged. It just does not show on @Clouds4Days's screen shot above.

Clouds4Days · 8/7/17

Andre said:
In the original post (in our Breakfast Recipes thread) here, the original mixer is in fact acknowledged. It just does not show on @Clouds4Days's screen shot above.

Thanks @Andre i couldnt remember which thread or page even i got that screenshot.

But just so everyone knows, my purpose for the screenshot wasnt to post a recipe i was trying to show there were Frosties recipes before our local commercial Frosteez was even released.

Silver · 9/7/17

@KZOR , can we move this thread to the Juice Recipes subforum?
(Been meaning to ask you for a while)

KZOR · 10/7/17

Silver said:
can we move this thread to the Juice Recipes subforum?

Sure .... thanks for asking.

Silver · 10/7/17

KZOR said:
Sure .... thanks for asking.

Ok thanks
It has been moved to the "E-Liquid Recipes" subforum

GerritVisagie · 11/7/17

Hey @KZOR.
I know it's a bunch of effort, but how about one of those index type post right at the top, with some links to the recipes in the tread.
I run tapatalk, and going through all the pages looking for "that one I saw that one night after many Cappies" is hectic.

Just a request/suggestion, you are allowed to tell be to sod off and look for it.

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KZOR · 14/7/17

Very nice Shake'nVape Lemon Merinque i call "Lemer".

Max · 14/7/17

Yummy Yummy Yummy Yummy - a mouthwatering salivating bonanza moment is taking place in my mouth right now @KZOR - absolutely WOW

KZOR · 14/7/17

Max said:
Yummy Yummy Yummy Yummy

I was working on this for quite awhile and the ingredient i recently found to complete it was Juicy lemon .......... great after a few shakes.
Enjoy m8.

incredible_hullk · 15/7/17

Wow wow wow wow ... this looks gr8 thx m8

KZOR · 22/7/17

Custardo : Sweet vanilla custard (needs at least a two week steep)

GerritVisagie · 22/7/17

Thanx M8.
Just a quick question.... You manage to steep juice now?
I remember you being very impatient when it comes to steeping.
Or do you have a secret speedy move?

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KZOR · 22/7/17

GerritVisagie said:
You manage to steep juice now?

Good question.

I have 800 ml of juice ready to vape so i have time now to play around with juices that need steeping.
I still run it on my stirrer for 8 hours, but cover the beaker with something like a book, which cuts down the steep with a week i find.

aktorsyl · 23/7/17

Made an index of the recipes in this thread. @KZOR if you could possibly edit the OP and keep the index on there? If you don't mind

KZOR · 23/7/17

OP updated

Silver · 23/7/17

Great stuff @KZOR

Awesome index @aktorsyl !

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