Sorry if this is in the wrong forum!
Sure this will generate a LOT of discussion!
I am NOT judging, I am JUST sharing!
Sure this will generate a LOT of discussion!
I am NOT judging, I am JUST sharing!
Let's stir a little ;-)
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Nasty and it may well be a case where he didn't do anything wrong, the battery just malfunctioned. We live in a mobile society which increasingly demands more battery power for personal devices. Cell phone and laptop users have also had batteries ignite/explode on them, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't because their phone's or laptop's coils were built too low. Also, these devices are not raised to the user's lips so a malfunction often doesn't have such dire consequences. What can one say, it's a risk and the odd accident will happen. All the vaping industry can do is take note of it, learn from it and hope that battery manufacturers can come up with safer and better products.
Now Ive done temp work as a male nurse (Groote Schuur J7, terminal cancer), even visited friends in ICU, but this has to be the first time I've seen someone in ICU looking at the camera.
Usually ICU patients offer no reaction to pressure on the toenail bed ie comatose, hence the reason for them being in ICU.
Another first for me is a mod supposedly venting through the tank build deck.
Flabbergasting times we live in.
Usually ICU patients offer no reaction to pressure on the toenail bed ie comatose, hence the reason for them being in ICU.
Another first for me is a mod supposedly venting through the tank build deck.
Flabbergasting times we live in.
Do not know how legit it is but here:
Where?
I think he was probably in Casualty, not ICU. People in ICU generally don't sit upright in a chair, fully clothed. But "ICU" is a term commonly misused for "any medical place which isn't a regular doctor's appointment".
Well he admitting to having the shop do everything, then admitted to using a non-hybrid rda on a hybrid mech, then put in his own build " the same as the shop" and didn't check ohms. Sorry it happened, but next time learn your laws before blaming the vape. His fault #nobadfeels
From the long list of comments on Facebook, this is what seems to have emerged:
1. He was vaping on a hybrid mech
2. He was using a Top Hat RDA is what he said first. He later changed it to a Twisted Messes RDA.
3. He was using a coil which the vape shop had built for him over a year ago. He later said he had made the coil himself.
4. He did not know what resistance his coil was.
5. He was using LG turds.
6. He is in ICU because they are concerned that he has burns to his airways which they want to monitor.
I feel bad for the guy, but I question his motives. His post is the equivalent of saying "Watch out for those damn electrical sockets! Mine blew up, sent me flying across the room and destroyed my house. Better stop using yours." Then finding out later that he had stuck a fork into the socket. He is adamant that he did nothing wrong, but it's evident that he doesn't know the first thing about his device.
The alarmism and sensationalism that is flying round Facebook is worrying, with many people saying that normal cigs are safer, they are going to stop vaping and general fear and paranoia.
1. He was vaping on a hybrid mech
2. He was using a Top Hat RDA is what he said first. He later changed it to a Twisted Messes RDA.
3. He was using a coil which the vape shop had built for him over a year ago. He later said he had made the coil himself.
4. He did not know what resistance his coil was.
5. He was using LG turds.
6. He is in ICU because they are concerned that he has burns to his airways which they want to monitor.
I feel bad for the guy, but I question his motives. His post is the equivalent of saying "Watch out for those damn electrical sockets! Mine blew up, sent me flying across the room and destroyed my house. Better stop using yours." Then finding out later that he had stuck a fork into the socket. He is adamant that he did nothing wrong, but it's evident that he doesn't know the first thing about his device.
The alarmism and sensationalism that is flying round Facebook is worrying, with many people saying that normal cigs are safer, they are going to stop vaping and general fear and paranoia.
Still better than smoking
@Normz, this is why regulation will be implemented, regardless of what the vaping industry does. This is 2017. Consumer products should not injure you. If I buy a laptop, it doesn't matter what I do to it, it shouldn't injure me. Society and govt are never going to accept "next time learn your laws". If a range of computer products comes out where plugging a MS mouse into a Dell laptop causes the mouse to explode and amputate my hand, that product is going to be taken off the market, guaranteed.
What will happen with vaping regs and standards is that it will become impossible to pair an atty with a non-protruding pin with a hybrid mech. The two will be designed so that it's impossible to attach the atty to the mod. That is how it should have been done in the first place. And it's how it will be done when regulations are implemented. ISO are working on these very factors as we speak. Watch what happens when the first ISO international vaping standards are released. Atties without protruding positive pins, or hybrid mech mods, or both, will become illegal. It's sad for the purists but it's the way it has to be. If vaping wants to go mainstream, it can't have a prerequisite that users have to know Ohm's Law. Do you need a knowledge of Ohm's Law in order to use your TV, DSTV decoder, washing machine, fridge, laptop, microwave? No. These things have to be idiot-proof before govt will pass them. The same will happen to vaping gear.
What will happen with vaping regs and standards is that it will become impossible to pair an atty with a non-protruding pin with a hybrid mech. The two will be designed so that it's impossible to attach the atty to the mod. That is how it should have been done in the first place. And it's how it will be done when regulations are implemented. ISO are working on these very factors as we speak. Watch what happens when the first ISO international vaping standards are released. Atties without protruding positive pins, or hybrid mech mods, or both, will become illegal. It's sad for the purists but it's the way it has to be. If vaping wants to go mainstream, it can't have a prerequisite that users have to know Ohm's Law. Do you need a knowledge of Ohm's Law in order to use your TV, DSTV decoder, washing machine, fridge, laptop, microwave? No. These things have to be idiot-proof before govt will pass them. The same will happen to vaping gear.
Agree 100%, even if those injuries are real, they're still recoverable...emphysema isnt.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/emphysema/article_em.htm
@RichJB, I fully agree with a certain amount of regulation. Perhaps reverse threads on hybrid mods and attys designed for them, but just because something hurt you is not a cause for this hype. It does however seem to be a time to complain about batteries(I work for an import company, and we can no longer fly li-ion batts in anymore, and sea freight is almost as bad).
Point is, consumer products need to be safe, within reason. You can't drive a car without a licence, have an accident, and have all cars regulated for your stupidity.
Point is, consumer products need to be safe, within reason. You can't drive a car without a licence, have an accident, and have all cars regulated for your stupidity.
As I said ... This was going to stir a bit! 
I have been vaping since almost the inception of vaping. Know MANY vapers. NEVER heard of any issue like this before this 1 incident.
98% sure it was ID 10 T error.
I have been vaping since almost the inception of vaping. Know MANY vapers. NEVER heard of any issue like this before this 1 incident.
98% sure it was ID 10 T error.
True, but the key is that you need a licence. Do we want vaping to be legal only for those who have passed a licence test? You don't need a licence for a microwave. That's because it's designed to be idiot-proof. They avoid the scenario of people putting their hands into a micro that is running and getting nuked by having a cut-off circuit that stops the power when the door opens. Vaping needs an equivalent if it is going to be a unlicenced activity. Like it or not, vaping will have to either get rid of hybrid mech mods or atties which don't have protruding positive pins. The two cannot co-exist in a mainstream product. At the very least, they will have to make it that they cannot be paired together.
Until now, vaping has tried to claim "we don't need govt regulation because we can regulate ourselves". Well, this guy got his gear from a shop. If they didn't explain the hazards to him then clearly vaping cannot regulate itself. So govt will do it for them.
You can't buy a car without a licence, but you can drive it. It goes with all products though. Walk into builders warehouse and you have a wide selection of products you can buy that could prove fatal if you didn't know how to use them.
As I said, I agree with some form of regulation, but if hybrid mods are taken off the market, people will just make their own, and that will end so much worse than just making it regulation that all 510 pins protrude.
As I said, I agree with some form of regulation, but if hybrid mods are taken off the market, people will just make their own, and that will end so much worse than just making it regulation that all 510 pins protrude.
This is not great for vaping
Doesnt matter what happened. It's out there and its giving a bad name to vaping.
I suppose if one posted gruesome pictures of car accidents, it would look much worse than the above. Yet most of us drive in cars every day. Ok, maybe not a great comparison because many of us need cars to get around.
Nevertheless, we need to try do what we can - in our community here on ECIGSSA :
Doesnt matter what happened. It's out there and its giving a bad name to vaping.
I suppose if one posted gruesome pictures of car accidents, it would look much worse than the above. Yet most of us drive in cars every day. Ok, maybe not a great comparison because many of us need cars to get around.
Nevertheless, we need to try do what we can - in our community here on ECIGSSA :
- Help educate vapers on battery safety
- Help educate vapers on safe vaping practice (eg hybrid mechs and building coils within the limits of the battery)
- Help vapers understand the risks when buying batteries, especially second hand batteries
@Silver, this forum has taught me so much, and even got me to buy my first real and mech mods, and make my own coils. However it's sad to know how few vapers know about the forum.
I was chatting to my mate today, he's been vaping for about 2 years now. He saw my mod and couldn't believe I build my own coils. I directed him here and he was amazed that there is a forum about vaping.
So as a community, while we need to help each other and advise each other, we actually need to direct people here and get more vapers on the forums and learning/teaching.
I was chatting to my mate today, he's been vaping for about 2 years now. He saw my mod and couldn't believe I build my own coils. I directed him here and he was amazed that there is a forum about vaping.
So as a community, while we need to help each other and advise each other, we actually need to direct people here and get more vapers on the forums and learning/teaching.
Agreed @Normz
We have some plans for 2017 to help increase awareness of ECIGSSA
But we can only do what we can do - and thats the point
If we make a difference here on the forum then we have done a good thing.
Thanks for the message and the comments!
this is more fear mongering, by people who have an issue with vaping. that looks like damage from a guy firing a blank cartridge at his face, hence the powder burns.
Vented mods with IMR batteries don't blow up like that.
@Silver is right, that regardless of the facts, the masses will just take it at face value, and as such, there can't be any actual vaping injuries. Otherwise that will actually give them fuel for their fire.
Vented mods with IMR batteries don't blow up like that.
@Silver is right, that regardless of the facts, the masses will just take it at face value, and as such, there can't be any actual vaping injuries. Otherwise that will actually give them fuel for their fire.
No you can't, you are breaking the law. If I have no licence, get into an accident and claim "I didn't know what those pedals were for or how to stop the car, you must make cars safer", neither the auto industry nor the govt will comply with my demands. They will hold me totally accountable because I drove without a licence. If I'd got my licence, I would have known what the pedals are for and how to stop the car.
Cars don't need to be idiot-proof because the user requires a licence. That is the choice that vaping faces: either make the product idiot-proof or users must submit to licence testing. I'd rather that manufacturers made gear idiot-proof. It's a lot easier than me standing in a govt queue for hours.
There are products where you can injure yourself without needing a licence. You don't need a licence for a steak knife. But if you stab yourself repeatedly in the face with it, you are likely to get hurt. However, it is accepted that users can avoid this by intuitive common sense. But it's not intuitive common sense to not screw an atty with a flush positive pin down on a hybrid mech. That takes specialist knowledge. So govt will never accept that it's a means of harm that can be avoided by intuitive common sense. That leaves regulation as the remaining option. Sad in a way, but it's how it's going to go.
shops shouldn't sell mechs to newbies, within 5min of chatting to someone its easy enough to gauge their knowledge level. where that becomes difficult is with online purchases. unless something along the lines of a questionnaire needs to be filled in, in order to be sold a mech, but that may end up simply turning clients away, and it would be easy enough to google the right answers.
C'mon guys, it FaceBook. That's where they sing "Four legs good, two legs better".Need I say more?
We can only wish there were coils out there that lasted a year. By the way I also always replace my coils with the same as what my tanks came with. Round shiny ones.
Regards
We can only wish there were coils out there that lasted a year. By the way I also always replace my coils with the same as what my tanks came with. Round shiny ones.
Regards
I think this is also why big tobacco hasn't gone for open systems but cigalikes instead. They know how consumer law works. The guy from Twisp explained some time back that govt is a lot keener on closed system vaping and more likely to allow it, because you can't build your own coils, pair a tank from one manufacturer with a mod from another, decide what resistance your coil will be or what wattage your mod will run at. Instead, everything is just sealed units that fit together and aren't swappable between manufacturers. When you take these choices away from users, you also take away most of the potential for them to harm themselves with the product. I think big tobacco anticipated this and designed their cigalikes from the get-go that they would be more likely to attain regulatory approval due to reduced risk to users.
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