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[WHeunis]

I just need to ask,

(reos aside because I own one and love her to bits!)

Why the hatred of mech mods? Imho they tend to work very well, are wonderfully simple and come in a huge variety of shapes, sizes and styles. I personally own 10 mech mods and use one of them daily, along with Nthabiseng and Shrek.

I always have those 2 and one other mech on me.

Just interested to know.

Sent from the Dark Side of The Force

I want full power all the way down the road.
Putting the next statement in spoiler - it might be a bit harsh for some...

Spoiler: What my wife said about mechs

"That's ridiculous. Why would anyone want a dildo that gets limper and softer with every stroke? I need it to stay hard until either I am done, or the battery is dead."

 

[TylerD]

If you know how to operate your mechanical there is no reason for using a powered dildo bro.

 

[Silver]

I want full power all the way down the road.
Putting the next statement in spoiler - it might be a bit harsh for some...

Spoiler: What my wife said about mechs

"That's ridiculous. Why would anyone want a dildo that gets limper and softer with every stroke? I need it to stay hard until either I am done, or the battery is dead."

Hi @WHeunis , when I run a 1.3 ohm IGO-L coil on my SVD at 12.5 Watts, strangely, the vape gets weaker when the battery gets to about 3.8 volts. I have two SVDs and they both do that! I cant figure this out but perhaps its the electronic circuits in the SVD that are not doing what they are supposed to.

Less noticeable power loss when I vape it at lower power, say 8 watts using an Evod.

Edit - ive tried this on several different types of batteries. Same thing

 

[WHeunis]

Hi @WHeunis , when I run a 1.3 ohm IGO-L coil on my SVD at 12.5 Watts, strangely, the vape gets weaker when the battery gets to about 3.8 volts. I have two SVDs and they both do that! I cant figure this out but perhaps its the electronic circuits in the SVD that are not doing what they are supposed to.

Less noticeable power loss when I vape it at lower power, say 8 watts using an Evod.

Edit - ive tried this on several different types of batteries. Same thing

Could be faulty SVD's.
Could be tired batteries. (EDIT: Didnt see your edit)
Could be a whole many things.

And 12.5 seems a touch high for a 1.3 just by rough in-head-math. Could be wrong coz im wayyy too lazy today to actually check properly.

 

[MarkK]

Even the sx 350 chip has a slightly noticeable drop off when u get down to 3.6 - 3.4 volts on the battery
It seems to me that the sag is unavoidable, Just my opinion

 

[Silver]

Could be faulty SVD's.
Could be tired batteries.
Could be a whole many things.

And 12.5 seems a touch high for a 1.3 just by rough in-head-math. Could be wrong coz im wayyy too lazy today to actually check properly.

Sure, I agree they could both be faulty units
Not tired batteries, i have run at least 5 different types of new batts in them and get the same

But for me, a regulated device should give even power till the end and my two SVDs on my setups dont do that.

 

[WHeunis]

Sure, I agree they could both be faulty units
Not tired batteries, i have run at least 5 different types of new batts in them and get the same

But for me, a regulated device should give even power till the end and my two SVDs on my setups dont do that.

They will give even power until the battery can no longer supply that power.
Can't be asking a device to conjure power that the battery no longer possesses...

EDIT: Personally, for 1.3 ohm coil, I would recommend no higher than 10W for a more consistent vape MUCH nearer to the battery's lower end.

 

[Silver]

Ah well, maybe you are right then

But the point is, whatever the reason, my SVDs act very much like my Reo regarding power sag at those settings

 

[WHeunis]

Ah well, maybe you are right then

But the point is, whatever the reason, my SVDs act very much like my Reo regarding power sag at those settings

If you feel you absolutely must vape @12W, and want a consistent delivery from the battery ALL THE WAY DOWN to its empty point of 3.2V safe discharge limit...

0.8 ohm coil recommended.
Running 12.5W @3.2V with 3.9A

 

[Silver]

If you feel you absolutely must vape @12W, and want a consistent delivery from the battery ALL THE WAY DOWN to its empty point of 3.2V safe discharge limit...

0.8 ohm coil recommended.
Running 12.5W @3.2V with 3.9A

Agreed, thanks for the tip
Do you know what the max current is on the SVD?

 

[WHeunis]

Agreed, thanks for the tip
Do you know what the max current is on the SVD?

That's determined by the battery, not the device.
But lemme check if the chip is limited in that area... will post back if I find the full spec sheet.

 

[WHeunis]

Found it!
5 Amps cutoff.

 

[Silver]

Ok, thanks

 

[TylerD]

They will give even power until the battery can no longer supply that power.
Can't be asking a device to conjure power that the battery no longer possesses...

EDIT: Personally, for 1.3 ohm coil, I would recommend no higher than 10W for a more consistent vape MUCH nearer to the battery's lower end.

And say you use a thicker Kanthal? Isn't that the beauty of a regulated mod as well? So you can push the power up to suit your individual vaping style? Some people like a hotter vape, some cold, some fast warm up some slower.
It seems that you are out to try and prove everyone wrong.
I say get your SVD, and whatever atty you want and then use it and then get another and use it and then get a mech and use it and then get a Rba and use it and then a Reo and use it and then a RDA and use it and then 32g Kanthal and use it and then 30g Kanthal and use it and then 28g Kanthal and use it and then 26g Kanthal and use it and then 24g Kantthal and use it and then 22g Kanthal and use it and then Ekowool and use it then Rayon and use it and then cotton and use it and so on.
Then get get back to me and we can argue further.

 

[WHeunis]

It seems that you are out to try and prove everyone wrong.

Not at all. But the laws of electricity are the laws of electricity.
If you want to pump your device hotter, then do it! That's what it's made for!

But doing that, your battery WILL hit a point SOONER where it can no longer deliver what you are asking from it.
Those are just the laws of it.

So, like Silver asked above.
His 1.3 ohm coil, at 12W... once the battery hits 3.8V it will simply no longer be ABLE to deliver that wattage, and he will lose power.
This means he has choices.

1. Change battery and recharge.
2. Drop wattage to suit.
3. re-calculate things.
4. Ignore and continue

Nr 1 and 3 will give him a consistent vape on the same battery for longer. (nr 1 is not same battery, but 3 could be)
Nr 2 and 4 will give him inconsistent vapes.

The laws are the laws.
You can choose to obey them.
You can choose not to. But then you can't be upset that things dont work out as theyre supposed to...

 

[Al3x]

I personally have noticed a difference in output at the same wattage, same battery, same rda(literally moving the battery and rda from one device to the next), with the sigelei 30w, sigelei 20w, VTR, vamo. setting all at 15w, though I did not use a meter and this is only my personal opinion, all the devices did not hit the same. the vamo and vtr were not as powerful as the sigelei's at the same wattage, guess it is the same as the mech mods were some mods just hit harder with the exact same setup.
Pls note that this was not an official test but was just done by myself as a personal test and thought I would just share.
Though my sigelei 30w hits hard and constant all the way to the end with no drop as the battery drops, and then just does not fire when the battery cant handle it, and this is at any wattage setting, although when it cannot fire at 30w if you drop the setting it will fire, but pls take note that I do not run my batteries under 3.5v, I normally change them out at around 3.6v as I like my higher wattages, and I have noticed that most batteries cannot handle higher than about 22.5 for very long when it reaches around 3.6v except for the VTC5 and the efest 2100 30a.

 

[Al3x]

And say you use a thicker Kanthal? Isn't that the beauty of a regulated mod as well? So you can push the power up to suit your individual vaping style? Some people like a hotter vape, some cold, some fast warm up some slower.
It seems that you are out to try and prove everyone wrong.
I say get your SVD, and whatever atty you want and then use it and then get another and use it and then get a mech and use it and then get a Rba and use it and then a Reo and use it and then a RDA and use it and then 32g Kanthal and use it and then 30g Kanthal and use it and then 28g Kanthal and use it and then 26g Kanthal and use it and then 24g Kantthal and use it and then 22g Kanthal and use it and then Ekowool and use it then Rayon and use it and then cotton and use it and so on.
Then get get back to me and we can argue further.

@TylerD that is like my vaping journey, I've tried so many different mods, both elec and mech, rda's, tanks, and spent a s*** load to get where I am now, not complaining but
"If only I knew then what I knew now"

 

[Tom]

I must agree! My journey was awesome and still is. It have shifted from gear to juice now, but wouldn't have had it any other way. Loved all the gear and playing!
Must say, the juice journey is much more expensive than the gear journey.

This! Right now I am looking for juices. On the electronic/mech discussion....both have their place in my arsenal. Right now I am on holiday and use exclusively the Hana at the pool and when out and about, the SVD at the beach and have a clone mech combo as a backup device. That will also be my future travelling setup. At home I love my mech setups!

 

[Tom]

I must agree! My journey was awesome and still is. It have shifted from gear to juice now, but wouldn't have had it any other way. Loved all the gear and playing!
Must say, the juice journey is much more expensive than the gear journey.

This! Right now I am looking for juices. On the electronic/mech discussion....both have their place in my arsenal. Right now I am on holiday and use exclusively the Hana at the pool and when out and about, the SVD at the beach and have a clone mech combo as a backup device. That will also be my future travelling setup. At home I love my mech setups!

 

[TylerD]

@TylerD that is like my vaping journey, I've tried so many different mods, both elec and mech, rda's, tanks, and spent a s*** load to get where I am now, not complaining but
"If only I knew then what I knew now"

I agree, but I'm sure you would have listened to what people had to say when you asked instead of just arguing your own opinion.
Anyway, I'm getting of this bicycle.

 

[WHeunis]

when you asked

I challenge ALL of you RIGHT NOW to show me where I asked ANYTHING on my post made here.

I opened a quote/stock-check for vendors & retailers...

Get off your high horse!

 

[Silver]

@WHeunis, you raise a good point

I always thought the SVD shouldnt have a resistance lower than about 1.2 ohms, because there is no point, you cant get more power out of it than the 15 Watts its limited to

But come to think of it, if i build a 0.8 ohm coil as you suggest, i may be able to supply 12 Watts for longer.

To build a 0.8 ohmer to my flavour preference i will have to make a paracoil because a normal coil will have too few wraps. (Edit - personally i dont like going thicker to 26g)

I will try that some time and let you know what I found

@BhavZ , @Andre, @johan, what do you guys think of this? Interesting... Building a lower ohm coil not for more power but for more sustainability at lower power

 

[WHeunis]

But come to think of it, if i build a 0.8 ohm coil as you suggest, i may be able to supply 12 Watts for longer.

At the tradeoff that you wont be getting quite as hot of a vape as you might be used to...
Working around the laws is a systematic elimination of what tradeoffs you are willing to make.

How hot/cold?
How long the battery should last?
When during battery life should it tap out?
How long/short draws do i want?
etc.

 

[TylerD]

I challenge ALL of you RIGHT NOW to show me where I asked ANYTHING on my post made here.

I opened a quote/stock-check for vendors & retailers...

Get off your high horse!

 

[Silver]

Question is

How would 12 Watts feel on a 0.8 ohm paracoil (essentially a dual coil) versus a standard 1.3 ohm microcoil

Same power but totally different coil.

I once asked people on ECF in my early days whats the difference vaping a 1.8 ohm stock Kanger coil versus a 2.2 stock Kanger coil at the same power of say 8 Watts. The one has more curent and less voltage but the power is the same. I never could get my head fully around that.

Arguably the one coil has more mass since it has more wire, so would heat up slower at the same power. I.e. Not an instant vaporisation, but the more contact area would maybe mean more flavour when it gets going.