Lockdown diaries - COVID-19 matters!

What are you going to be doing during the lockdown?

  • At home. I’m non essential

    Votes: 70 41.2%
  • Working. The virus doesn’t scare me

    Votes: 41 24.1%
  • On standby

    Votes: 10 5.9%
  • Working from home. Too essential to take any risk!

    Votes: 66 38.8%

  • Total voters
    170
  • Poll closed .
To vaccinate or not? That's the million dollar question. Just like politics and religion this is one of those controversial topics that will never be agreed upon by all. It's a personal belief and no amount of fact or fiction will sway anybody anyway. Especially with the amount of bs propoganda floating around. One of those thorny issues that devide family and destroy friendships if taken to the extreme. Do it or don't it's your very own personal decision. When the opportunity present itself. And do not force anybody by mandatory law the politicians have done quite enough damage as it is thank you very much. Why will this mandatory law be different? So why waste time and effort on it anyway and just vape like there's no tomorrow and the cows come home. With all the sh@t going around now it's one of the rare nice things to still enjoy. While we still can. Kapish?

Fair enough. That's a valid concern. I see your point. This is the flip side of the coin. What happens when perfectly healthy people start dropping like flies because of untested side effects from a new experimental technology vaccine with nowhere to turn for help? The fix could be worse than the problem. History and the real world experiences to date has proven that trusting big pharma and government with integrity for keeping the public safe and healthy has long passed by. Prosecuting the public for infecting others but total indemnity for government and big pharma for any vaccine side effects and the result of it for the vaccinated public?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/17/opinion/covid-vaccine-big-pharma.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

Exactly this is not about whether vaccines work or not. Too easy that's not the issue. You didn't answer my question. These vaccines took years to test and trial before being used. If things went wrong big pharma got sued. That's how it works. The rules have now changed. The big pharma industry and government have changed and made new rules for themselves and that's my point. A quick fix new technology untested and trialled vaccine from a dodgy financial only incentive big pharma, especially with total indemnity for both govt and pharma if anything goes wrong is another ballpark. The question really is do you trust govt and big pharma enough to play guinea pig or not with your health with no legal or health alternatives if things go wrong as a result of the vaccine?

I salute your wisdom and your patience, but your words will fall on many deaf ears and be lost in this panic-induced echo chamber.
 
To vaccinate or not? That's the million dollar question. Just like politics and religion this is one of those controversial topics that will never be agreed upon by all. It's a personal belief and no amount of fact or fiction will sway anybody anyway. Especially with the amount of bs propoganda floating around. One of those thorny issues that devide family and destroy friendships if taken to the extreme. Do it or don't it's your very own personal decision. When the opportunity present itself. And do not force anybody by mandatory law the politicians have done quite enough damage as it is thank you very much. Why will this mandatory law be different? So why waste time and effort on it anyway and just vape like there's no tomorrow and the cows come home. With all the sh@t going around now it's one of the rare nice things to still enjoy. While we still can. Kapish?
I couldn't have said it better, but it's too late. I already said what I said and made a few dislikes.
I'll vape to that!:number_one:
 
Netcare launches Family Connect Line to keep COVID-19 patients and their loved ones connected
https://www.capetownetc.com/cape-to...id-19-patients-and-their-loved-ones-connected
20 Jan. 2021

"Netcare launched a dedicated support line on Monday, December 18 to keep next-of-kin informed on the status of their loved ones who have been hospitalised with COVID-19 and, where possible, to facilitate direct communication between patients and their families...

... we have set up the Netcare Family Connect Line. This makes it possible for families to engage with dedicated personnel, mainly social workers who we deployed for this purpose, for information on the status of their loved ones admitted with COVID-19 to any of our Netcare hospitals countrywide, whilst enabling us to maintain patient confidentiality,” Dr Friedland explained.

The number for the Netcare Family Connect Line is 0800 111 266. It will be operational weekdays from 8am to 6pm and weekends from 8am to 5pm..."

The Netcare Family Connect Line service enables patients’ next-of-kin to connect with a team of trained call centre professionals, who will facilitate the feedback process. A dedicated Netcare representative at the hospital where the patient is cared for will obtain information on the patient’s status, and will personally phone the family member to provide feedback.

Messages to and from the family and patient will also be relayed where direct communication between the family and patient is not possible. Feedback will be provided within hours of the first enquiry and thereafter on a daily basis.
 
Exactly this is not about whether vaccines work or not. Too easy that's not the issue. You didn't answer my question. These vaccines took years to test and trial before being used. If things went wrong big pharma got sued. That's how it works. The rules have now changed. The big pharma industry and government have changed and made new rules for themselves and that's my point. A quick fix new technology untested and trialled vaccine from a dodgy financial only incentive big pharma, especially with total indemnity for both govt and pharma if anything goes wrong is another ballpark. The question really is do you trust govt and big pharma enough to play guinea pig or not with your health with no legal or health alternatives if things go wrong as a result of the vaccine?

This isn't entirely true, the only countries that bypassed major testing were Russia and China, which is part of the reason our health regulator has said they will not pass either one of those vaccines. The rest have been through rounds of global human trials, I know because I applied and was accepted in to them but pulled out because they were being run from government clinics and didn't feel safe going to hillbrow. The guinea pig part has been done already thanks to many volunteers. The true part is that they sped up development and trials, which shows our technology capabilities. The true part is that SARS based vaccines were put on the burner for many years because it seemingly vanished and didn't warrant energy or funds.

Also I personally know one of the people handling the logistics, as I am having to use them to import and register my allergy-antigen desensitizing shots, and there is going to be almost no mark up on the vaccines bar that to make the logistics functional.

There are no legal or health benefits to catching something which gives you CNS and Vascular damage either, no one is going to pay for your possible future lymphoma,no one is going to get sued when you get erectile dysfunction early in your life, no pharmaceutical company is going to cut you a cheque when you can no longer walk up a single flight of stairs, or when you start getting early onset dementia and forget wtf you are. I'd rather take my chances with a small percentage of getting a treatable allergic reaction (which literally is possible with absolutely anything on god's green earth).

This idea of the vaccine changing our bodies or our DNA needs to be addressed too (not that you mentioned it),gene therapy at large is only entering it's teen years, else we would be selling the cure for cancer and a million other DNA based diseases at huge prices. This isn't the movies, the amount of metabolic energy needed as well as time to alter your entire DNA is way beyond anything we have now, at best we can cut/paste genes but again this would effect a NEW organism. Having said that, viruses work on what would best be described as a key and lock system, it needs the right spike protein to unlock your cell and then other proteins which unlock other receptors and get them do the viral assembly. A key is nothing, without someone to turn it and then do something once it is turned. So a vaccine can do absolutely nothing to your DNA when it is only making spare keys, I mean if they had the technology to target and alter specific DNA, they'd literally just put it in our drinking water and call it a day.

I'm not here to convince people to take vaccines, I'm here to tell people the truth, when it comes to weighing out the damage between SARS and a vaccine, you have an almost infinite amount less chance of anything happening to you verses the former.

When it comes to vaccine passports, I'm all for it, chaining people up and making them get doses not so much, but if a company or a country won't let you in if you haven't had your shots, sure do it, its their choice to see if the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. They did that with smallpox, and to a degree polio, the world would be a lot shittier with smallpox still in it.
 
This isn't entirely true, the only countries that bypassed major testing were Russia and China, which is part of the reason our health regulator has said they will not pass either one of those vaccines. The rest have been through rounds of global human trials, I know because I applied and was accepted in to them but pulled out because they were being run from government clinics and didn't feel safe going to hillbrow. The guinea pig part has been done already thanks to many volunteers. The true part is that they sped up development and trials, which shows our technology capabilities. The true part is that SARS based vaccines were put on the burner for many years because it seemingly vanished and didn't warrant energy or funds.

Also I personally know one of the people handling the logistics, as I am having to use them to import and register my allergy-antigen desensitizing shots, and there is going to be almost no mark up on the vaccines bar that to make the logistics functional.

There are no legal or health benefits to catching something which gives you CNS and Vascular damage either, no one is going to pay for your possible future lymphoma,no one is going to get sued when you get erectile dysfunction early in your life, no pharmaceutical company is going to cut you a cheque when you can no longer walk up a single flight of stairs, or when you start getting early onset dementia and forget wtf you are. I'd rather take my chances with a small percentage of getting a treatable allergic reaction (which literally is possible with absolutely anything on god's green earth).

This idea of the vaccine changing our bodies or our DNA needs to be addressed too (not that you mentioned it),gene therapy at large is only entering it's teen years, else we would be selling the cure for cancer and a million other DNA based diseases at huge prices. This isn't the movies, the amount of metabolic energy needed as well as time to alter your entire DNA is way beyond anything we have now, at best we can cut/paste genes but again this would effect a NEW organism. Having said that, viruses work on what would best be described as a key and lock system, it needs the right spike protein to unlock your cell and then other proteins which unlock other receptors and get them do the viral assembly. A key is nothing, without someone to turn it and then do something once it is turned. So a vaccine can do absolutely nothing to your DNA when it is only making spare keys, I mean if they had the technology to target and alter specific DNA, they'd literally just put it in our drinking water and call it a day.

I'm not here to convince people to take vaccines, I'm here to tell people the truth, when it comes to weighing out the damage between SARS and a vaccine, you have an almost infinite amount less chance of anything happening to you verses the former.

When it comes to vaccine passports, I'm all for it, chaining people up and making them get doses not so much, but if a company or a country won't let you in if you haven't had your shots, sure do it, its their choice to see if the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. They did that with smallpox, and to a degree polio, the world would be a lot shittier with smallpox still in it.
You wouldn't go for trial meds because of where you had to go for the treatment.
Lots of people won't agree with ivermectin™ (or anything for that matter ,don't focus on the TM I mentioned. ignore the trademark) either because it was tested on, and administered to poor low class people and third world countries where nobody has interested in.
 
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My vote goes to the vaccine.
I'm still not taking it. There are people who are willing to take it that need it more as long as it's administered in safe areas where their lives aren't in danger.(isn't it already wherever you might go)???
 
Warning over vaccine delays and third COVID-19 wave in South Africa
Experts have warned that the delays suffered by South Africa’s COVID-19 vaccination programme could result in a third wave hitting the country, the Sunday Times reports.
Vaccinologist professor Shabir Madhi told the publication that the government has dropped the ball on the vaccine acquisition process.
“It seems to me that the government only started planning in early January after a media backlash,” said Madhi.
“Even after this resurgence dies down we’ll get another one [wave], and vaccine deployment will be too late for high-risk groups then.”
Madhi and other experts were kicked out of the country’s COVID-19 ministerial advisory committee (MAC) in September.
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/scie...ve-in-south-africa.html?utm_source=newsletter
 
You wouldn't go for trial meds because of where you had to go for the treatment.
Lots of people won't agree with ivermectin™ (or anything for that matter ,don't focus on the TM I mentioned) either because it was tested on, and administered to poor low class people and third world countries where nobody has interested in.

That statement is partially true ... It has indeed been used in third world countries extensively, specifically to deal with third world problems, (third world diseases in this context), however Covid specific testing has primarily been conducted in first world countries, as part of the strategy to find an effective cure or prophylactic within existing medicines, to which Ivermectin falls into the latter category, albeit not 100%.
 
Unions want all lockdown retrenchments blocked in South Africa
https://businesstech.co.za/news/bus...ckdown-retrenchments-blocked-in-south-africa/

The Federation of Unions of South Africa (Fedusa) has called for a moratorium on all retrenchments and potential ‘future processes’, in an effort to preserve jobs during the country’s Covid-19 lockdown.
READ this piece of B/S
Cyril Ramaphosa said that government will create a ‘presidential employment stimulus’ designed to respond to the rise in unemployment caused by the coronavirus pandemic.
The aim of this stimulus is to create or support 800,000 jobs in South Africa within the current financial year.
Ramaphosa said that this is being achieved through an ‘unprecedented’ expansion of public and social employment, as well as through the protection of existing jobs in vulnerable sectors and support for livelihood and enterprise opportunities.

“Eleven national departments and all nine provinces are responsible for the implementation of programmes supported through the employment stimulus,” Ramaphosa said in an update in December.
 
Unions want all lockdown retrenchments blocked in South Africa
https://businesstech.co.za/news/bus...ckdown-retrenchments-blocked-in-south-africa/

The Federation of Unions of South Africa (Fedusa) has called for a moratorium on all retrenchments and potential ‘future processes’, in an effort to preserve jobs during the country’s Covid-19 lockdown.
READ this piece of B/S
Cyril Ramaphosa said that government will create a ‘presidential employment stimulus’ designed to respond to the rise in unemployment caused by the coronavirus pandemic.
The aim of this stimulus is to create or support 800,000 jobs in South Africa within the current financial year.
Ramaphosa said that this is being achieved through an ‘unprecedented’ expansion of public and social employment, as well as through the protection of existing jobs in vulnerable sectors and support for livelihood and enterprise opportunities.

“Eleven national departments and all nine provinces are responsible for the implementation of programmes supported through the employment stimulus,” Ramaphosa said in an update in December.

Our government are smoking serious hallucinogenic variants of what is now partially legalised rondkyk twak.

Where exactly is the money for this erm ... "stimulus" going to come from? (along with all their other pseudo initiatives), or are these just more empty promises, purposely made in case they lose the upcoming? elections ... and wish to place a few hot potatoes in the hands of a new government?

I rate that government take a 10% (MINIMUM) salary cut as a TEENY LITTLE sign of goodwill, and use the money to pay for the vaccine for starters, and then pull their fingers out of their respective butts, and do some real work, without further burdening taxpayers employing another 800 000 slackers.

Screw em! ... Lemme go vape
 
That statement is partially true ... It has indeed been used in third world countries extensively, specifically to deal with third world problems, (third world diseases in this context), however Covid specific testing has primarily been conducted in first world countries, as part of the strategy to find an effective cure or prophylactic within existing medicines, to which Ivermectin falls into the latter category, albeit not 100%.
https://theconversation.com/what-de...ies-about-how-to-respond-to-a-pandemic-146784
https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/thec...irst-and-third-world-competence-138464?espv=1
 
That statement is partially true ... It has indeed been used in third world countries extensively, specifically to deal with third world problems, (third world diseases in this context), however Covid specific testing has primarily been conducted in first world countries, as part of the strategy to find an effective cure or prophylactic within existing medicines, to which Ivermectin falls into the latter category, albeit not 100%.
I said ignore the (™) trademark. That was just an example of many meds not suitable for us here in semi to fully developed countries.
 
I salute your wisdom and your patience, but your words will fall on many deaf ears and be lost in this panic-induced echo chamber.

No panic here, I am just willing to roll the dice on this one, my life my decision. 30 odd years ago I refused the MMR for my kids, not because I am an anti vaxxer but I did not like the odds. I prefer the odds of a vaccine preventing me from catching covid then catching it and hoping I recover.
 
Ecommerce executive proposes simple way to fund COVID-19 vaccine in South Africa

''There is currently high demand and limited supply of COVID-19 vaccines, especially those which are more likely to be effective against the 501Y.V2 variant which is widespread in South Africa.

This creates a unique opportunity where rich individuals and companies are willing to pay far above market value to get the vaccine.
The government can make the most of this opportunity by allowing medical aids and hospital groups to distribute the vaccine early, but at a high cost.
Higgins said he acknowledges that this is a controversial proposal, but it has the potential to fund the government’s COVID-19 vaccine rollout.
“What if government offered the first 100,000 vaccines to South African’s willing to pay R10,000 each?” Higgins said.''

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/tren...ne-in-south-africa.html?utm_source=newsletter
 
I'm getting the vaccine when it becomes available. Been getting vaccines for some time with my travels throughout Africa for GE almost a decade ago for an 8.5 year period. Had to get all my travel shots as needed and had to have them on record (yellow card) much like the "new" proposed Vaccine Passport. I also get my yearly Flu-shot. I have no issues with getting vaccinated.
 
I'm getting the vaccine when it becomes available. Been getting vaccines for some time with my travels throughout Africa for GE almost a decade ago for an 8.5 year period. Had to get all my travel shots as needed and had to have them on record (yellow card) much like the "new" proposed Vaccine Passport. I also get my yearly Flu-shot. I have no issues with getting vaccinated.
Respect bro.
 
Wearing two masks can help against new variants from SA and UK, says Fauci
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/l...ks-more-effective-at-stopping-covid-19-2021-1
25 Jan. 2021

"Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in the US and chief medical advisor to the US president, endorses double-masking...

According to Fauci, it's a good idea, particularly in light of more transmissible variants of the coronavirus, first identified in the UK and South Africa. "If you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective," Fauci said on NBC News' TODAY.

How to double-mask
The type of mask you double up on will affect the level of protection it provides.

As Business Insider's Anna Medaris Miller previously reported, it's a good idea to use a surgical mask or an N95 in your layering.

For example, it's better to use a double-layered cloth mask for the outside layer and a disposable surgical mask for the inside, rather than using two single-layered masks together.

The three layers each serve an individual purpose: the outside layer protects against splashes and droplets, the middle layer filters, and the bottom layer absorbs things like saliva and sweat.

Another way to double layer could be using a two-layered cloth mask with a face shield on top, though there is some evidence that masks may be more protective than shields... "
 
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