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I’ve been following this closely since yesterday
They don’t as consent for medical treatment is considered legal from the age of 12 in theory
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We'll know by next weekend what damage the October School Holidays caused, suspecting a slight rise in numbers the week thereafter, let's see if RSA behaved this time around...
In UK 85.9% over 12's have had one jab while 78.8% have had both doses yet we are getting over 40,000 new cases a day and 150 deaths in fact this time last year before vaccinations cases and deaths were lower and yes double jabbed people are dying! Not an anti vaxxer but never heard of vaccines so ineffective and not tested thoroughly enough for anyone to know if the vaccine itself could cause long term damage!
Total new cases
Total deaths
Seems like its keeping the death rate down compared to the previous wave.
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"The increase looks to be fuelled by cases among school-aged children and teenagers which are at their highest level since autumn 2020, new data shows."
Heat map on vaccinations by age:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/det...n_uptake_by_vaccination_date_age_demographics
Here's also a good article on the average UK person's attitude:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
Everyone wants to blame the vaccine and the efficiency, there's absolutely no vaccine that's 100%, they don't work like that, and probably never will due to every clown thinking that a medical break through is some evil chip they want to shove up your ass and make a lot of money off of. The truth is, the UK vaccine program is not reaching everyone, one jab is not enough, and people are getting fatigued and accepting this as normalcy now.
Incorrect, todays actual figures were 158 deaths and over 43.000 new cases, those figures confirm what I said this exact time last year infections and deaths were lower which your graphs confirm, I didn't say they were lower in December or January etc. The third wave isn't even expected to properly start for another month probably peaking in Jan-Feb and the health experts in the UK the very same ones that say the vaccine is effective are predicting 60,000 deaths. How can you get more deaths in a wave when nearly all adults are fully vaccinated than you got in waves when no one was vaccinated! Even looking at your graphs we are a month ahead in way of cases and deaths, so it took until mid November last year (when nobody was vaccinated) to get to where we are as early as mid October this year so that 60.000 estimate sounds very possible!
Mixed feelings over youngsters not needing parents’ permission to get Covid-19 vaccine
https://www.iol.co.za/saturday-star...-vaccine-381d77ea-24d4-4925-b422-6650897e0eac
16 Oct. 2021
"Children between the ages of 12 and 17 will on Wednesday be able to to get vaccinated. And they don’t permission from their parents.
Yesterday Health Minister Joe Phaahla announced that from October 20, children will be able to receive a dose of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine.
He told a media briefing that this was following advice from the Ministerial Advisory Committee, who advised that those in the 12-17 age group should only be given a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine. This was a precautionary measure as there had been a few cases of myocarditis – the inflammation of the heart muscle – in teenage boys.
“At this stage there’s been no indication that the first dose has any serious side effects so for now it will be just one, but we believe it will still offer significant protection and once more information comes we will offer the second dose. The timing of the second dose will be informed by further information,” the health minister said.
The department’s acting director-general, Dr Nicholas Crisp, said vaccinations would not take place at schools.
“For this period of the national vaccination programme children can be vaccinated at all public and private vaccination sites just like everyone else,” he said.
The Children's Act 38 of 2005 provides that children over the age of 12 years can consent to their own medical treatment provided they are sufficiently mature and have the mental capacity to understand the benefits, risks, and social and other implications of the treatment.
To some, though, the minister’s announcement brought anger.
“It's ridiculous,” said parent *Ruwayda Fredericks when he heard the news. “Kids need our permission for everything else, so why not to get vaccinated? I am offended that government can simply say to children to go get vaccinated. Never mind what your parents say. Never mind that they are the ones who support you with everything else. I will not allow this.”
Another parent, *Sam Kinnear, said he would go as far as to refuse his children permission, even if they asked him for permission.
“I will not be told what to do in my own home. There isn't enough research to show that the vaccines are safe for children. We don't even know if it is safe for adults. My kids are vaccinated for other diseases, anyway. That is my choice,” he said...."
https://www.iol.co.za/saturday-star...-vaccine-381d77ea-24d4-4925-b422-6650897e0eac
16 Oct. 2021
"Children between the ages of 12 and 17 will on Wednesday be able to to get vaccinated. And they don’t permission from their parents.
Yesterday Health Minister Joe Phaahla announced that from October 20, children will be able to receive a dose of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine.
He told a media briefing that this was following advice from the Ministerial Advisory Committee, who advised that those in the 12-17 age group should only be given a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine. This was a precautionary measure as there had been a few cases of myocarditis – the inflammation of the heart muscle – in teenage boys.
“At this stage there’s been no indication that the first dose has any serious side effects so for now it will be just one, but we believe it will still offer significant protection and once more information comes we will offer the second dose. The timing of the second dose will be informed by further information,” the health minister said.
The department’s acting director-general, Dr Nicholas Crisp, said vaccinations would not take place at schools.
“For this period of the national vaccination programme children can be vaccinated at all public and private vaccination sites just like everyone else,” he said.
The Children's Act 38 of 2005 provides that children over the age of 12 years can consent to their own medical treatment provided they are sufficiently mature and have the mental capacity to understand the benefits, risks, and social and other implications of the treatment.
To some, though, the minister’s announcement brought anger.
“It's ridiculous,” said parent *Ruwayda Fredericks when he heard the news. “Kids need our permission for everything else, so why not to get vaccinated? I am offended that government can simply say to children to go get vaccinated. Never mind what your parents say. Never mind that they are the ones who support you with everything else. I will not allow this.”
Another parent, *Sam Kinnear, said he would go as far as to refuse his children permission, even if they asked him for permission.
“I will not be told what to do in my own home. There isn't enough research to show that the vaccines are safe for children. We don't even know if it is safe for adults. My kids are vaccinated for other diseases, anyway. That is my choice,” he said...."
To add to your argument @Feliks Karp, the new malaria vaccine that was approved a week ago is only effective in 30% of the cases I.e it prevents severe infections and death in only 30% of the cases yet, it was approved. The COVID vaccines are ar least twice as effective.
This whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Nowhere did anybody say it's mandatory for teenagers. They just highlighted a law that has been in effect since 2005.
One of the main reasons of the law was to treat children that was harmed in domestic abuse, where the parents would not allow the children to get treatment. Also an attempt to lower pregnancies of under-aged rape victims. Back then nobody had a problem with it. Not my children, not my problem. Now the coin has turned and it's too late now to change things.
And it should never change, kids should have unobstructed access to essential medical treatment. It's the same people who complain kids having access to information and medical treatment to do with sex. You may not want your child having sex, but they literally can, I'd rather they get educated and have access to birth control and any medical treatment if an oopsie occurs. People are dumb.
https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affairs-oct-17?justPublished=true
If we let our guard down too quickly, the United States could easily mirror the UK. The UK peaked on September 9 but after two weeks of decreasing, the UK reversed course. Cases are now exponentially increasing while the rest of Europe is fairing very well.
Relaxing public health measures only partially explains UK’s increase, though. Other factors include:
If we let our guard down too quickly, the United States could easily mirror the UK. The UK peaked on September 9 but after two weeks of decreasing, the UK reversed course. Cases are now exponentially increasing while the rest of Europe is fairing very well.
Relaxing public health measures only partially explains UK’s increase, though. Other factors include:
- Spread of A.4 (a new sublineage [mutation] of Delta);
- Suboptimal vaccination rates for kids compared to other European countries;
- Leveraging AstraZeneca (slightly less efficacious vaccine);
- Vaccinated sooner compared to other European countries (so vaccines are waning).
They need to work on a better vaccine, what's the good of a vaccine that needs boosting every couple of months!
I believe they are working on vaccines thats more effective to the newer strains.
Most vaccines need a few boosters after the innitial jab. It's our immune systems that needs boosting.
lol, normally they are just for new strains like the flu jab, yes with tetanus but that's years before a booster is needed every other vaccine I have had in my life don't require boosters at all in fact they don't even do booster jabs for them! Needing new vaccines for new strains is a totally worrying different matter and understand that but the vaccines we have now need boosting because they stop working. Get a measles jab you don't get or spread measles, get a polio jab you don't get polio get a covid jab you need a second, and then a booster and then no doubt more boosters at regular intervals but you still can catch it, spread it and even die from it!
What are all these other vaccines that need boosters as often as the covid vaccine if at all?
Vaccine boosters that children need include:
- Hepatitis A
- Hepatitis B
- Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)
- Measles-mumps-rubella (MMR)
- Tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis (Tdap)
- Varicella
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/vaccine-booster-shots#1
Are these boosters needed after such a short time? I have never had more than one jab of any of the above apart from Tetanus and have never been told I needed one. With my wife having underlying conditions the effectiveness of the Covid vaccine scares the hell out of me even vaccinated she dare not go anywhere and I still keep social distancing and wear a mask! We were led to believe in the UK once everyone got vaccinated we would be ok instead they are predicting a further 60,000 deaths this winter, no end in sight!
Personally I had the Hep B shot as it is mandatory for registered healthcare workers. After the initial jab there was a booster after the first month and then again the 6 month. Then we tested for antibodies after a year and if it was below what it should be you got another booster after a year. Then we got tested every 5 years, but they scrapped the 5 year recommendation recently.
@Grand Guru can correct me if I'm wrong about the exact intervals. It's been almost 20 years ago.
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