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[Rob Fisher]

thanks for sharing this @NOOB

doesnt look good for Vaping in general

i am against the young kids starting vaping - but kids are kids so they will try lots of things.
i understand why it’s more prevalent now than smoking was
vapes are much easier to conceal, they don’t smell, you can take one puff and put it back in your pocket
heck, you could probably stealth vape at the back of a big busy classroom without the teacher noticing
with smoking you had to go behind the shed at break - and it smelled.

plus I do think life might be more stressful now than it was say 20yrs ago - so the kids using Vaping to cope is understandable.

the part I don’t like is the disposables at such high salt Nic content - 50mg - madness - that is not good in my opinion. It gets them so hooked on it. if it was like a 3mg or 6mg normal juice, I’d say far less would get hooked on it. Then again, they’d probably not get the buzz they’re after. I remember my first few months of smoking and the major buzz I got from it. It was quite something.

I wish there was a way the regulations could put pressure on making it much harder for kids to vape without impacting adult smokers that want a reduced harm alternative. Tricky. Not sure the government will be able to balance all these issues

tough one

would be keen to hear anyone’s views on how this can be tackled. What you think @Rob Fisher ?

Hi Ho @Silver I think we are on a hiding to nowhere... the disposables with the stupid high nic salts are the devil! The fact is that the youth and young adults are taking up vaping disposables in their droves, and this is causing all the issues. It is hard to argue against it. The harm reduction in normal vaping has been lost in this bloody disposable issue! I just have never understood why there are not ZERO nic disposables freely available because that can make the kids look cool but with no nic. I'm sure a lot of them would be choosing that option. Kids are going to smoke or vape from 14 years old just like we all did back in the day! I started smoking at 15 and smoked for many many many years until my health was so bad I was on my way out... happily, the Twisp Clearo arrived, and 9 years later I'm better and healthier than I have been for a long time!

We are in for a tough time with legislation no doubt!

 

[Stranger]

How many of us will go straight back to smokes if vaping is gone? Lots if not most of us I reckon. I would.

I for one , will become a criminal. Underground vaping there will be.

 

[Paul33]

That there is just a scary thought brother!!

Absolutely frightening but at the enormously inflated prices they are talking about it’s going to be too expensive to vape.

 

[Paul33]

I for one , will become a criminal. Underground vaping there will be.

Hopefully there will a vaping underground!

 

[Silver]

Hi Ho @Silver I think we are on a hiding to nowhere... the disposables with the stupid high nic salts are the devil! The fact is that the youth and young adults are taking up vaping disposables in their droves, and this is causing all the issues. It is hard to argue against it. The harm reduction in normal vaping has been lost in this bloody disposable issue! I just have never understood why there are not ZERO nic disposables freely available because that can make the kids look cool but with no nic. I'm sure a lot of them would be choosing that option. Kids are going to smoke or vape from 14 years old just like we all did back in the day! I started smoking at 15 and smoked for many many many years until my health was so bad I was on my way out... happily, the Twisp Clearo arrived, and 9 years later I'm better and healthier than I have been for a long time!

We are in for a tough time with legislation no doubt!

I hear you @Rob Fisher , thanks

they need to curb these high Nic disposables

 

[Quintusson]

they need to curb these high Nic disposables

I cannot agree more, but with the tax as it is currently, these will be the only affordable vapes around as the total impact will be about R6-R8 per disposable versus R290 for a 100ml bottle, which will put it out of reach for most vapers, especially in the current economic times.

 

[Grand Guru]

Pr Smit was part of the presenters on Wednesday....

The general idea of the DOH is that the research studies conducted in ESA show that vaping is not really a successful method of quitting nicotine addiction but most smlkers use it as a substitute to cigarettes and in many instances people use both cigarettes and e-cigs "worsening" their addiction to nicotine and adding vaping related risks to those of smoking....
On the other hand, they destroyed the statement adopted by NHS that vaping is 95% safer than smoking and to be honest the research paper based on which the statement was made is very questionable.

Besides, the attraction adolescents are having towards vspe products is worrisome for the negative effects nicotine and its addiction has on their developing brains with long term negative psychological and cognitive effects. I don't know how statistically significant Pr Smit results are because there was definitely a bias in sample selection but i have to agree to his arguments.
It is unfortunate that the industry drifted towards disposables with childish designs as they definitely do increase the risk of exposure to kids. We have to accept that....

 

[Silver]

Pr Smit was part of the presenters on Wednesday....

The general idea of the DOH is that the research studies conducted in ESA show that vaping is not really a successful method of quitting nicotine addiction but most smlkers use it as a substitute to cigarettes and in many instances people use both cigarettes and e-cigs "worsening" their addiction to nicotine and adding vaping related risks to those of smoking....
On the other hand, they destroyed the statement adopted by NHS that vaping is 95% safer than smoking and to be honest the research paper based on which the statement was made is very questionable.

Besides, the attraction adolescents are having towards vspe products is worrisome for the negative effects nicotine and its addiction has on their developing brains with long term negative psychological and cognitive effects. I don't know how statistically significant Pr Smit results are because there was definitely a bias in sample selection but i have to agree to his arguments.
It is unfortunate that the industry drifted towards disposables with childish designs as they definitely do increase the risk of exposure to kids. We have to accept that....

thanks @Grand Guru
good points

i just feel it’s so sad if all of Vaping gets pressure when there are very good aspects to it

i hear you on 95% less harmful maybe not being accurate but I can tell you without question that in my experience vaping has indeed been better for me than smoking.

If every adult long time smoker could switch to vaping I think on balance they would be better off

 

[Hooked]

How many of us will go straight back to smokes if vaping is gone? Lots if not most of us I reckon. I would.

I wouldn't - but I would go back to Nicorette!

 

[zadiac]

Hopefully there will a vaping underground!

I will join.

 

[zadiac]

I will never smoke again. It will be easier to quit vaping than smoking. I'll prob stock up on all my ingredients and than vape as long as I can before quitting, but never smoke again.

 

[Paul33]

You can't make up stuff like this.



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more nonsense you cant make up

North West govt blows R780 000 on donkey carts to 'alleviate challenges' in rural communities | News24

The North West community safety department has spent R780 000 on 20 donkey carts which were given to villagers in the districts of Mahikeng.

www.news24.com

 

[Grand Guru]

Government urged to expedite law regulating vaping

Professor Richard van Zyl-Smit conducted a study looking at vaping trends among grade 12 pupils and the results were alarming. It found that more than one in four matric pupils were vaping.

ewn.co.za

 

[Grand Guru]

They are exploited.

Salary changes for mayors, speakers and other top officials — here’s what they earn now

Cooperative governance and traditional affairs minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma has made salary changes for mayors, speakers and other top officials.

www.timeslive.co.za

 

[Quintusson]

Government urged to expedite law regulating vaping

Professor Richard van Zyl-Smit conducted a study looking at vaping trends among grade 12 pupils and the results were alarming. It found that more than one in four matric pupils were vaping.

ewn.co.za

By all means, regulate vaping FOR UNDER 18's. Leave the rest of us alone! We're happy with our safer alternative!

 

[Munro31]

Government urged to expedite law regulating vaping

Professor Richard van Zyl-Smit conducted a study looking at vaping trends among grade 12 pupils and the results were alarming. It found that more than one in four matric pupils were vaping.

ewn.co.za

Some grade 12 pupils are 20yrs plus, so what is the point of this?

 

[Hooked]

By all means, regulate vaping FOR UNDER 18's. Leave the rest of us alone! We're happy with our safer alternative!

If they weren't vaping, they would be smoking. Which is better?

 

[ARYANTO]

South Africa’s fuel production drops 80% in 3 years​

South Africa’s fuel production drops 80% in 3 years

Less than half the South African refineries that were producing fuel in 2019 are still in operation.

topauto.co.za

....we're on the road to nowhere la la la ...

 

[ARYANTO]

Business Insider - Latest News in Tech, Markets, Economy & Innovation Business Insider tells the global tech, finance, stock market, media, economy, lifestyle, real estate, AI and innovative stories you want to know. www.businessinsider.co.za The Equiano subsea internet cable that landed ashore in Melkbosstrand outside Cape Town earlier this year could cut South Africa's internet costs by around 20 %

Internet in SA could soon be 20% cheaper – thanks to Google's new undersea cable​

 

[Silver]

Internet in SA could soon be 20% cheaper – thanks to Google's new undersea cable​

Business Insider - Latest News in Tech, Markets, Economy & Innovation Business Insider tells the global tech, finance, stock market, media, economy, lifestyle, real estate, AI and innovative stories you want to know. www.businessinsider.co.za The Equiano subsea internet cable that landed ashore in Melkbosstrand outside Cape Town earlier this year could cut South Africa's internet costs by around 20 %

this is great to see, thanks for sharing @ARYANTO

lets hope the Savings can come through

in which case, bless Google!

 

[vicTor]

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[Quintusson]

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[ARYANTO]

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[Hooked]

Internet in SA could soon be 20% cheaper – thanks to Google's new undersea cable​

Business Insider - Latest News in Tech, Markets, Economy & Innovation Business Insider tells the global tech, finance, stock market, media, economy, lifestyle, real estate, AI and innovative stories you want to know. www.businessinsider.co.za The Equiano subsea internet cable that landed ashore in Melkbosstrand outside Cape Town earlier this year could cut South Africa's internet costs by around 20 %

I'll eat my mod if the service providers decrease their prices!

 

[Grand Guru]

I remember in rhe beginning of the pandemic, our service provider upgraded our connection speed free of charge so why not? I wouldn't mind another free upgrade if you ask me...