I hear what you saying but i can tell you that Rolo if it had not come out with a DNA 200 most people would not even blink and eye its whats created all the hype
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I hear what you saying but i can tell you that Rolo if it had not come out with a DNA 200 most people would not even blink and eye its whats created all the hype
Not so sure who owns whom but China is a communist country meaning they all have socialist goals. An 'open source' culture long before the west got hold of the idea. That's the real reason capitalist manufacturing can't compete because its goals are always aimed at the good of the few, socialism is always aimed at the good of the many and that means working with your (Chinese) competitors. Of course, that is easier said than done and communism most often ends up for the good of the very few.
Its not that it can't be done in the west, look at Musk's SpaceX company, he builds better space going rockets today than anyone and cheaper than even the Chinese. Why? Because he took one look at the existing suppliers of rocket engines and parts and refused to ever deal with them, opting instead to just buy the best talent available and rebuild everything from the ground up and he did it in one decade effectively. The status quo only exists because people believe it is so. Of course Musk is also a South African, loathe though he might be to admit it ..
Evolv, instead of ensuring a steady supply of ever cheaper electronics (economy of scale), opts for establishing a controlled supply line in order to maximise profits. Profitable for Evolv in the short term, expensive for vapers (especially so given the hype factor) but ultimately unsustainable because, this ain't rocket science, China will take them to the cleaners eventually since the allure of their margins are just too great.
Of course this is just idle conjecture, there may be nothing wrong with Evolv's ability to supply (although they do seem to be pricey) and Wismec is just spreading their bets. Kudos at least to Evolv in ensuring that their technology does get into the hands of many more large scale manufacturers.
The Rolo RX is only the first salvo from China in the high voltage regulated mod market, wait till the specialist big boys like YiHi start taking broadsides ..
Its not that it can't be done in the west, look at Musk's SpaceX company, he builds better space going rockets today than anyone and cheaper than even the Chinese. Why? Because he took one look at the existing suppliers of rocket engines and parts and refused to ever deal with them, opting instead to just buy the best talent available and rebuild everything from the ground up and he did it in one decade effectively. The status quo only exists because people believe it is so. Of course Musk is also a South African, loathe though he might be to admit it ..
Evolv, instead of ensuring a steady supply of ever cheaper electronics (economy of scale), opts for establishing a controlled supply line in order to maximise profits. Profitable for Evolv in the short term, expensive for vapers (especially so given the hype factor) but ultimately unsustainable because, this ain't rocket science, China will take them to the cleaners eventually since the allure of their margins are just too great.
Of course this is just idle conjecture, there may be nothing wrong with Evolv's ability to supply (although they do seem to be pricey) and Wismec is just spreading their bets. Kudos at least to Evolv in ensuring that their technology does get into the hands of many more large scale manufacturers.
The Rolo RX is only the first salvo from China in the high voltage regulated mod market, wait till the specialist big boys like YiHi start taking broadsides ..
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Not so sure who owns whom but China is a communist country meaning they all have socialist goals. An 'open source' culture long before the west got hold of the idea. That's the real reason capitalist manufacturing can't compete because its goals are always aimed at the good of the few, socialism is always aimed at the good of the many and that means working with your (Chinese) competitors. Of course, that is easier said than done and communism most often ends up for the good of the very few.
Its not that it can't be done in the west, look at Musk's SpaceX company, he builds better space going rockets today than anyone and cheaper than even the Chinese. Why? Because he took one look at the existing suppliers of rocket engines and parts and refused to ever deal with them, opting instead to just buy the best talent available and rebuild everything from the ground up and he did it in one decade effectively. The status quo only exists because people believe it is so. Of course Musk is also a South African, loathe though he might be to admit it ..
Evolv, instead of ensuring a steady supply of ever cheaper electronics (economy of scale), opts for establishing a controlled supply line in order to maximise profits. Profitable for Evolv in the short term, expensive for vapers (especially so given the hype factor) but ultimately unsustainable because, this ain't rocket science, China will take them to cleaners eventually since the allure of their margins are just too great.
Of course this is just idle conjecture, there may be nothing wrong with Evolv's ability to supply (although they do seem to be pricey) and Wismec is just spreading their bets. Kudos at least to Evolv in ensuring that their technology does get into the hands of many more large scale manufacturers.
The Rolo RX is only the first salvo from China in the high voltage regulated mod market, wait till the specialist big boys like YiHi start taking broadsides ..
I hear what you're saying, but i think at this stage of the game China is functionally a capitalist autocracy. Their solid communist history has put them in a unique position with much of the population being able to get by on surprisingly little money. Inside China things are unbelievably cheap, 100 full colour business cards is R13.95 for example (I'm talking legit 50 x 90mm, 300gsm matte art business cards, not some inkjet paper crap off an HP).
The point I'm trying to make, is that their whole country is geared towards having the absolute cheapest cost of manufacturing. Thus, it makes it really hard for western countries to compete, their fundamental costs (food, rent, utilities, clothing, etc..) are just too great.
SpaceX is a freak occurrence, and the space industry has had, and still does have a lot of juicy areas of massive profit.
As far as the Evolv board costs, I dunno, a Yihi SX350J is only like $11.00 cheaper than a DNA200 out in the wild, so if there is profiteering, its on all sides
I think Joyetech owns Wismec and eLeaf, they're sub-companies of Joyetech.
That all said, I agree with what you've said
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From what I have seen on Facebook groups and on the Evolv forum, it is not the DNA200 board that is in short supply, but the screen is outsourced and there is a shortage of screens.
That makes sense, those screens are pretty time consuming and hazardous to make.
@huffnpuff , thanks
Am I right that the 3 batteries and higher voltage allow for less current at a given wattage, therefore more battery life....
Yup.
@Silver , the Rolo is as close to perfect as "b l i k s e m" is to swearing
It just needs 3 batteries AND a bottom feed bottle, then it will be getting interesting
Lol
Working on that, but it's challenging.
Deja vu .. that is exactly what was said back in the days of the DNA 30.
https://moonvapez.co.uk/product/wismec-reuleaux-rx200-black-edition-by-jaybo/
50 Pounds, 15 shipping
50 Pounds, 15 shipping
That's not the DNA
FT has those for $48 with free shipping
Noice
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FT has those for $48 with free shipping
Can't beat that price~ SARS take too much toll on us...
Just picked up the Reuleaux from VK, and it is an awesome device
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