Silence of the (dead) R-Rabbits.

[Raindance]

Something is really churning around in my mind and I need to set it free.

Our vaping community loves hype and mostly the hype has some element of truth to it though the opposite is also true. So, when something comes along that is a real game changer, and no hype arrises, I get worried.

The latest evolution in our vaping world has to be the introduction of pods and RTA's that allow for the easy building of vertical mesh coils as have been used in sub-Ohm tanks for a number of years. Yet, besides a few stern believers, the forum is not really buzzing with excitement on this breakthrough.

How is it that something as remarkable and technically perfect like the Dead Rabbit R RTA only gets a fleeting mention?

Everyone can now have an RTA that stacks up, dare I say knock the socks off, anything out there at any price. There is no longer any need to purchase ridiculously priced custom coils, made from materials found only in Valhalla and blessed by the new gods and the old, sit and meticulously install them, strum them, get the wicking just right and placed perfectly in wicking ports.

At last we have an atomiser that is affordable and does not need special coils and skills to deliver the perfect vape. So why no hype!?

Best Regards

 

[Paul33]

So far what’s been off putting to me is the fact that the replacement coils only come in one resistance.

that’s the only reason I haven’t tried it because what if I don’t like that coil? I have zero options to try something else.

otherwise I love the concept and mesh generally has great flavour and the ease of the build is very appealing but for me personally the lack of options is a deal breaker.

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

So far what’s been off putting to me is the fact that the replacement coils only come in one resistance.

that’s the only reason I haven’t tried it because what if I don’t like that coil? I have zero options to try something else.

otherwise I love the concept and mesh generally has great flavour and the ease of the build is very appealing but for me personally the lack of options is a deal breaker.

It's a fantastic tank and concept~ ... The coil resistance can be "modified" fairly easily by simply cutting off up to 2/3 of the mesh at the top, and it can be shortened too, by carefully rolling up the mesh onto one, (or both of the legs) ... this is required if you wished to use the SMRT mesh in the Rabbit R, and or wished to reduce the coil inner diameter for MTL purposes ... both of which I've done successfully.

Or .... maybe? someone will start bringing in the SMRT RPM mesh, and or the Coilmaster mesh, as they both offer 0.4 and 0.8 Ohm mesh as standard

 

[Stranger]

My 2 C
I have the Voopoo tank and the Wotofo PNP coils, and you are right, great flavour for most juices, easy rebuild and cost effective. For me though, the Dead Rabbit tank would just be another extension of what I already have. For all day vaping the Intake single coil RTA and the Dvarw clones cannot be beaten so that leaves the other gear I own as session pieces. I have straight mechs, pot mods, RDA's RDTA's all that can produce a multitude of variances to my vaping experience.

Whilst I applaud the innovation, it came too late to grab my Fomo, maybe if it was before the pods? it might have done, but not now.

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

When something comes along and challenges the status quo, humans first reaction is to discount whatever threatens their status quo, (further reading see ego)

There are two tanks that I'm literally blown away by ... the Rabbit R and the Riftcore Duo, neither of which stands out in the marketplace

The Riftcore apparently? poisons you with it's ceramic pads, (that's according to Jai Haze, who successfully ruined any success it might have enjoyed, by publicly claiming that Ceramic Pads poison vapers ). I've subsequently disproved this untruth, by having them analysed in the Wits Chem Eng Lab, to which Stainless and Ni80 coils do in fact release poisonous oxides! ... and yet the ceramic, (aka GLASS), pads release nothing! ... Nice going Jai

 

[Puff the Magic Dragon]

It's a fantastic tank and concept~ ... The coil resistance can be "modified" fairly easily by simply cutting off up to 2/3 of the mesh at the top, and it can be shortened too, by carefully rolling up the mesh onto one, (or both of the legs) ... this is required if you wished to use the SMRT mesh in the Rabbit R, and or wished to reduce the coil inner diameter for MTL purposes ... both of which I've done successfully.

Or .... maybe? someone will start bringing in the SMRT RPM mesh, and or the Coilmaster mesh, as they both offer 0.4 and 0.8 Ohm mesh as standard

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Great idea @Intuthu Kagesi

Please give us the approximate resistance if you reduce the height of a normal width SMRT mesh. In other words, giving it a slight haircut without rolling the mesh around the legs.

 

[Paul33]

Jai Haze

ja but he’s a doos

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

Great idea @Intuthu Kagesi

Please give us the approximate resistance if you reduce the height of a normal width SMRT mesh. In other words, giving it a slight haircut without rolling the mesh around the legs.

Sure ... the trimmed SMRT measures 0.21 Ohm on a Gen, (see attached pic)

Both the SMRT and Rabbit R mesh are 0.2 Ohm, so;
Cutting off 1/4 will give you 0.27 Ohm;
Cutting it in half will give you 0.4 Ohm, and;
Cutting off 3/4 would give you 0.8 Ohm

 

[Puff the Magic Dragon]

Thanks for the answer @Intuthu Kagesi .

If you cut it in half to get 0.4Ohm, is the flavour noticeably less?

 

[Stranger]

ja but he’s a doos

How can you say that ?


You are being far too kind.

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

Thanks for the answer @Intuthu Kagesi .

If you cut it in half to get 0.4Ohm, is the flavour noticeably less?

So the short answer is no ... Your assumption is correct that you would think that the flavour would be reduced, however I noticed something interesting ... a bit like the micro coil effect.
At the same power level, (albeit higher resistance), the vape temp / throat hit AND flavour improved, which prompted my next test;

The reduction in diameter and shift to a loose MTL, (which certainly was more restrictive), however flavour took a bit of a hit as the resistance went back down again with the shortening of the distance between "posts"

I'm looking at building up a small spot welder to tack leads onto mesh, (in between my other 65536 projects ), unless someone beats me to it, and brings in either the SMRT RPM mesh, and or the Coilmaster mesh, in which case we'd all have the best of both worlds

 

[Puff the Magic Dragon]

So the short answer is no ... Your assumption is correct that you would think that the flavour would be reduced, however I noticed something interesting ... a bit like the micro coil effect.
At the same power level, (albeit higher resistance), the vape temp / throat hit AND flavour improved, which prompted my next test;

The reduction in diameter and shift to a loose MTL, (which certainly was more restrictive), however flavour took a bit of a hit as the resistance went back down again with the shortening of the distance between "posts"

I'm looking at building up a small spot welder to tack leads onto mesh, (in between my other 65536 projects ), unless someone beats me to it, and brings in either the SMRT RPM mesh, and or the Coilmaster mesh, in which case we'd all have the best of both worlds

Great, I will try it with my next build. Unfortunately did a full pit stop yesterday and replaced three SMRT coils plus the DR R.

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

Great, I will try it with my next build. Unfortunately did a full pit stop yesterday and replaced three SMRT coils plus the DR R.

Another thing you can try, is to cut the mesh with a scalpel to increase the resistance, like this;


(I haven't tried this yet, but it will work)

 

[Puff the Magic Dragon]

@Raindance . Sorry that we hijacked your thread by discussing mods to SMRT and Dead Rabbit R coils.

How is it that something as remarkable and technically perfect like the Dead Rabbit R RTA only gets a fleeting mention?

I really can't give you a decent answer but I can make one attempt.

Firstly, hobby vapers often look down on pod and sub-ohm tanks. They are not seen to be the real deal. Secondly, mesh RTAs with horizontal builds (with tampon sized wicks) were apt to deliver dry hits like nothing else. Once you have experienced this you probably would want nothing to do with mesh anywhere near an RTA. The rebuildable mesh coils were brought out for sub-ohm pod tanks and would therefore be of little interest to many hobby vaperists.

If Hellvape had "invented" the rebuildable method and used it in the Dead Rabbit R, I think that many more vapers would have viewed it as a major advance in RTAs. It would have been seen as an amazing flavour producing RTA without any pod or sub-ohm baggage.

 

[Timwis]

Those into stock coil sub-ohm tanks I assume are put off by the rebuildable aspect while those who build see this too much akin to a sub-ohm tank rather than an RTA! Both are missing out on a great concept that delivers both functionality and performance! Actually from what I gather it is selling well so hopefully different resistant meshes will get released as needing to manipulate other available mesh strips isn't ideal and will also put off many!

 

[DarthBranMuffin]

Not having a whole lot of experience with the R-Tank with DL juice and my way of vaping, but more experience in regards to Mrs Chuck Norris Lungs using it with MTL juice and her ways, here is my take on it from her point of view:

Is the flavor on point with the SMRT coils in the voopoo pods? Yes, yes it is
Does she love it for it's performance and what she wants from it? Yes, yes she does
Does it leak like the SMRT and PnP coils does with MTL (50/50) juice? Yes, yes it does (but nothing that a little bit of daily maintenance cannot sort out)

But, at the pricepoint of R-Tank coils vs a set of pre-wrapped coils for my RTA's, the R-Tank is a winner just like the SMRT Coils.

I can't use Mesh Stock replacement coils (whether stock coils or rebuildable) as I kill them off in 3 to 4 days.

As for innovation, it was brilliantly done! I had to explain it to the Mrs before I bought it for her: "now take one of these SMRT coils and build it into the deck of one of my RTA's. Now you have a SMRT RTA that works like mine, but tastes like yours". She was sold on it! And now she gets mighty p'd off when it is time for a coil change and she only has the SMRT's to vape on while I do a pitstop.

Will I get one for me to use, most likely not as I like the coil wrapping, cotton fitting hobby building side of it. But if I reach the point of boredom and annoyance of it all I shall convert to one or two of these and in time will learn to find my limits to killing coils and extending their life as I adapt to it because going the cartridge and stock coil route will not be an option at all.

It is a pity that this R-Tank did not get the usual Dead Rabbit Hype it deserved and it is almost like HellVape just plugged it into the market to fill a gap between their other big projects. By now everyone is used to the DR RDA/RTA and a V2 and V3 is more of a step forward than a V1 of a new range for the Die Hard Dead Rabbit fans.

 

[Raindance]

@Raindance . Sorry that we hijacked your thread by discussing mods to SMRT and Dead Rabbit R coils.



I really can't give you a decent answer but I can make one attempt.

Firstly, hobby vapers often look down on pod and sub-ohm tanks. They are not seen to be the real deal. Secondly, mesh RTAs with horizontal builds (with tampon sized wicks) were apt to deliver dry hits like nothing else. Once you have experienced this you probably would want nothing to do with mesh anywhere near an RTA. The rebuildable mesh coils were brought out for sub-ohm pod tanks and would therefore be of little interest to many hobby vaperists.

If Hellvape had "invented" the rebuildable method and used it in the Dead Rabbit R, I think that many more vapers would have viewed it as a major advance in RTAs. It would have been seen as an amazing flavour producing RTA without any pod or sub-ohm baggage.

Come to think of it you are making a very valid point. Vaping for six years the fourth of this month I have done the hobby thing, gone through all the stages and did enjoy it very much. Now all I want is the best vape possible with the least amount of fiddling and expense.

Some comments above echo what I told you at the vape meet last Saturday, I am happy with the PnP coils, is it worth it buying the DR?
Well, I am glad I took your advice. The Wotofo PnP's are great, the DR however, is amazing. Airflow wide open there is zero restriction, too much air for even me, I find the build even easier than the PnP's, and the mouthfeel of the vape is really unsurpassed. I bet even menthol will taste creamy in this tank.

As for coil choices, I can not wish for more than the standard mesh gives me. I really could not be bothered with trying anything else.

Regards

 

[Timwis]

Does it leak like the SMRT and PnP coils does with MTL (50/50) juice? Yes, yes it does (but nothing that a little bit of daily maintenance cannot sort out)

I don't think any tank will have zero leaking if it both has bottom airflow slots and allows for DL vaping but personally I haven't found the R-Tank to leak unless left with a full tank not used for a couple of days, then I find it has wept slightly (I find Voopoo PnP coils leak like sieves in comparison)! Airflows now even with MTL set-ups are not ideal with 50/50 juice, it's just too thin for modern designs!

 

[Mollie]

ja but he’s a doos

Sies

 

[Puff the Magic Dragon]

As for coil choices, I can not wish for more than the standard mesh gives me.

We both make our own juice (vape), With the amount of juice needed to keep the R happy maybe some would prefer lower wattages. When you DIY the cost of juice doesn't really enter into the equation.

 

[DavyH]

ja but he’s a doos

A pithy and accurate summation.

 

[Intuthu Kagesi]

@DarthBranMuffin
The "quick and dirty" fix for the SMRT "leak" when using 50/50 juice is to cut a small piece of tin foil and wrap it 3/4 of the way around the coil before screwing the top cover on. The foil should ideally block three of the four wicking holes.
In the case of the Rabbit R with 50/50 juice, it's a little more tricky as you need to place a strip of tin foil over the cotton before pushing it into place, so that only the cotton "join" is available as a wicking port. The "join" needs to be cut about 1mm away from the base once installed, and ... fluffed up.

 

[DougP]

I have also come full circle (vaping for 8 years)
From the first devices available, through sub ohm tanks, dual and single coil rebuildable RTA's, squonking and finally mesh RTA's.

I also reached the stage where I just wanted a simple rebuildable DL RTA that ticked all the boxes when it came to flavour, ease of build and practical daily use.
Along came the SMRT PNP rebuilable and it ticked a lot of the boxes, BUT, trying to open that dam fill port grommit with my big fingers and that drip tip just irritated the hell out of me.

The gods must have heard me because enter the Dead Rabbit R..

This RTA has ticked every box for me.
I have 2 and they have replaced all my existing RTA's.
Flavour is top notch... Better than the SMRT PNP
Rebuilding is a breeze
And as for practicality it is great when it comes to filling.
I clean and reuse my mesh and wick with Dischem organic cotton pads and have absolutely no leaking what so ever.

Best RTA I have ever owned.
This RTA has also killed any fomo I have for any new type of RTA.

 

[Faiyaz Cheulkar]

I have been thinking of buying the dead rabbit since our last vape meet, I think I am going to now.

 

[DougP]

@DarthBranMuffin
The "quick and dirty" fix for the SMRT "leak" when using 50/50 juice is to cut a small piece of tin foil and wrap it 3/4 of the way around the coil before screwing the top cover on. The foil should ideally block three of the four wicking holes.
In the case of the Rabbit R with 50/50 juice, it's a little more tricky as you need to place a strip of tin foil over the cotton before pushing it into place, so that only the cotton "join" is available as a wicking port. The "join" needs to be cut about 1mm away from the base once installed, and ... fluffed up.

You got nothing to loose.

Pop off to Dischem and get yourself these cotton pads.
Cut 2 strips to same size as dead rabbit strips.
Place together and wick (don't peel off outer edges, use as is)

Right now I have absolutely no leaks using these on 70/30 juice.
Even let it stand for 2 days and no leaks.
It might just work with the 50/50.