I found the episode I watched - it is an old one, but I think it is still applicable.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0954452/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0954452/
Smoking stinkies, eating and vaping
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In my opinion, without research or study. I think we are more addicted to the idea and the habit rather than the actual ingredients.
Think of it as the placebo affect. I have always wondered if someone had to swap out all my juice for 0mg, will i still crave after a while? That's if they still taste and vape the same. We get the satisfaction of the physical act of vaping, not from going "Oh yeah that nicotine was good!"
I mean if you had give people nicotine through air vents or in some way they did not know, they won't crave anything even though they are subject to it. You need an actual action/ritual to get addicted to it.
When i stopped smoking, the hardest part was dropping the habit, i decided this cannot carry on and did it for health reasons, yet everyday i missed lighting a ciggie and chilling. for weeks i would still reach for packs of ciggies that were no longer next to me or feeling my pockets for the pack and lighter. I don't remember ever craving a ciggie, but missing the "hobby" i used to enjoy.
Now vaping is my hobby. If I'm in a restaurant i don't itch for a vape, i would just love to taste the juice and blow clouds. I don't get irritated or anxious when i can't vape, i would just love to step outside and and blow one cloud and be good for a few more hours.
That's just my take on it.
Think of it as the placebo affect. I have always wondered if someone had to swap out all my juice for 0mg, will i still crave after a while? That's if they still taste and vape the same. We get the satisfaction of the physical act of vaping, not from going "Oh yeah that nicotine was good!"
I mean if you had give people nicotine through air vents or in some way they did not know, they won't crave anything even though they are subject to it. You need an actual action/ritual to get addicted to it.
When i stopped smoking, the hardest part was dropping the habit, i decided this cannot carry on and did it for health reasons, yet everyday i missed lighting a ciggie and chilling. for weeks i would still reach for packs of ciggies that were no longer next to me or feeling my pockets for the pack and lighter. I don't remember ever craving a ciggie, but missing the "hobby" i used to enjoy.
Now vaping is my hobby. If I'm in a restaurant i don't itch for a vape, i would just love to taste the juice and blow clouds. I don't get irritated or anxious when i can't vape, i would just love to step outside and and blow one cloud and be good for a few more hours.
That's just my take on it.
Every time I tried to quit smoking I'd find myself snacking more, each quitting attempt would add around 10kg that I just could get rid of. When I started vaping I actually lost 10kg in the first couple of months. I think the key there was that vaping made me thirsty, a thirst that only water could quench. It had made my taste for soft drinks completely vanish. Then we found Banting, been doing that for a year already and the results are unbelievable. This is something that everyone needs to consider, I'm not punting Banting here just saying check it out and do some research. The benefits go way beyond weight loss.
Vapers go down in nic but up in watt. Tecnique improves with time also.
On Thursdays morning I was late for work and had to delve into meetings as I hit the office. After 3 hours ALL I could think about was vaping. I had the same feeling I used to get when smoking, "get out off my way, stop talking, just leave me alone for 10min so that I can get my fix"
I concede, this could be due to habit. I have smoked most of my adult life therefore I would not know the difference. Question is: which came first? Chicken? Egg? My meetings were pleasant and productive, yet I became agitated and stressed. I have gone extended periods of time without a fix, but when I get to the point where I need it, I would sell a kidney.
I full heartedly agree with the published research on the addictive properties of nicotine.
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Of course, that is your prerogative, but I have not seen any such research. In fact: "In April 2013 the FDA announced they no longer considered nicotine to be dependence-creating, liable to abuse, or dangerous if over-consumed.".
From an enlightening article, which you can find here: http://www.ecigssa.co.za/nicotine-clinical-trials-missing.t8093/#post-170810
I found my self eating more when things started to taste better, not because i was hungry but now i enjoyed all the new tastes. After a wile i saw that i was gaining weight and now i don't eat to taste the nice food but i eat when my body tells me it is needs food.
Something interesting on my side is that I noticed I eat way LESS salt since I started vaping
As a smoker, I would put quite a bit of salt on my food, maybe because I couldnt properly taste the saltiness. Since Ive been vaping I hardly ever add salt to food and when I do, I dont put much on it.
Food tastes great anyway. And less salt added is better.
As a smoker, I would put quite a bit of salt on my food, maybe because I couldnt properly taste the saltiness. Since Ive been vaping I hardly ever add salt to food and when I do, I dont put much on it.
Food tastes great anyway. And less salt added is better.
Same with me.
On the coffee front: I use to drink coffee by the buckets, ten cups a day easy. Now i take two cups in the morning, the rest of the day i drink Rooibos, i think @Silver has a point, you get more health conscious
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I am a very fit cyclist and one of the biggest reasons I stopped smoking was the way it affected my cycling. Since vaping my cycling went to another level and I feel like a non-smoker on the bike. I did the Banting thing for a while and yes, I lost some weight and the food was awesome. But, my cholesterol went through the roof and I didn't have enough energy to enjoy my cycling the way I used to. I went back to carbs and within a week I was feeling my old self again. I cut my portions in half and made a few other changes to my diet. I kept the weight I lost while Banting off, my energy levels stabilized and my cholesterol is down to below normal levels. I'm not saying Banting doesn't work but I don't believe it is the magic bullet and it doesn't work for everyone.
My apologies @Andre, I missed this article completely... Consider me enlightened! Controversial information indeed.
I am finding it a hard pill to swallow... The study suggest that because of other agents in tobacco, smokers become addicted to nicotine. This makes it plausible that NRT is used to assist in quitting.
Could I go as far as stating that vaping is then truly just a hobby? And that we are knowingly causing continued harm to ourselves (albeit 5%) because theoretically we could just put the mod down with no withdrawal? (after the initial NRT phase that is)
/argief takes a deep DL hit and stare into the horizon
Perplexed.
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I am finding it a hard pill to swallow... The study suggest that because of other agents in tobacco, smokers become addicted to nicotine. This makes it plausible that NRT is used to assist in quitting.
Could I go as far as stating that vaping is then truly just a hobby? And that we are knowingly causing continued harm to ourselves (albeit 5%) because theoretically we could just put the mod down with no withdrawal? (after the initial NRT phase that is)
/argief takes a deep DL hit and stare into the horizon
Perplexed.
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Hi Andre
I hear what you are saying and I've seen the research but I have a hard time accepting it as fact. I've been vaping for a year and 4 months now and I still get cravings. They are not as bad as when I was a smoker but I get really edgy and irritable. I had a very hard time going from 18mg to 12 mg and for now I'm not thinking of going any lower. I know and accept that nicotine on its own is not particularly harmful but I'm not convinced it is not addictive at all. If it wasn't all of us should be able to put our gear down today and never touch it again. Somehow I can't see that happening.
Chris
I guess the acid test to check if you are addicted to nicotine or not is to vape 0% nicotine for a week. Then return to this thread and indicate if you had any cravings or not. Is anyone up to the challenge? I am not willing to do this as I know I am addicted to nicotine, albeit through vaping.
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Oh, no doubt those other agents in tobacco have resulted in our minds and bodies craving nicotine - which is how I read that article. I visualize it as grooves in my grey matter. Once you stop smoking, those grooves do not grow any more and no new grooves are created. Over time, as you vape those grooves are filled slowly, depending on many factors. My contention is that you should never force this pace - let your body decide, not your mind. For some it happens quickly, for others it takes much longer.
Yes, of course, vape technology has become better, making for better nic absorption, which has also contributed to the lowering of nic strengths. Even so, in my case for example, I went from 36 to 24 because of better gear, but from 24 to 18 and from 18 to 12 and now even tolerating 6 has been on the exact same gear. HRH went from 12 to 9 to 6 using the exact same gear (mANs on iSticks) - not that she consciously decided to lower her nic intake, but because her body demanded thus. From this forum's posts I have noticed that same trend with people starting off with the newer type of gear. They start lower than "older" vapers, but also go down in nic.
I know full well that it is extremely difficult to accept that nicotine per se is not addictive. We have been conditioned to believe so for many decades. Have yet to come across any person that believed me when I tried to explain. However, I am quite content with those who cannot accept this, as vaping, even if nicotine is highly addictive, is still a far better alternative than burning tobacco.
I'm willing to try 0mg and report back.
I just need to aquire some concentrate during the week and steep the juice before I can try this.
I just need to aquire some concentrate during the week and steep the juice before I can try this.
Not consciously aware if I eat more or less but I have put on 6 kg's in the past year and the most significant change is vaping. The Dentist has also told me that i'm grinding. That's something I've never had an issue with before. I've also turned into a chump when it comes to hot food. Nandos mild can sometimes be uncomfortable to me where I used to eat hot before.
Any noticed more reflux? I use to get it now and then 10 smokes a day 6mg, I now vape around 2-3ml of 3mg and I have reflux almost every night.
Any noticed more reflux? I use to get it now and then 10 smokes a day 6mg, I now vape around 2-3ml of 3mg and I have reflux almost every night.
The reflux is caused by a lack of stomach acid, not by too much as we are lead to believe. That's not acid coming up, it's undigested food. Up your intake of spicy foods, also try a teaspoon or two of apple cider vinegar everyday. Cutting down on processed foods and sugar will also help a lot.
@BuzzGlo Wow! You are spot on. I suffer from reflux. I have noticed a distinct increase in reflux since I have started vaping. Absolutely no doubt. It's the nicotine. Google the causes of acid reflux. One of the biggest causes is nicotine!
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On topic: I have not noticed an increase in food intake, food do taste better. I decreased salt like @Silver, and I have become a wimp just like @BuzzGlo with spicy food. Shortly before I started vaping the Dr also advised I am grinding... Apparently due to stressful job? I haven't seen a dentist as he advised...
I am way down on coffee. Used to drink 10-15 cups a day. I just didn't smoke without coffee. After I started vaping, coffee taste is brutal(I drink black) and it interferes with my enjoyment of the vape flavours. I don't enjoy my double expresso the way I used to either. Down to 2 maybe 3 cups a day. I still don't vape "dry", prefer juice or water now however. The juice must be paired with the vape I have loaded! Else I have water.
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I am way down on coffee. Used to drink 10-15 cups a day. I just didn't smoke without coffee. After I started vaping, coffee taste is brutal(I drink black) and it interferes with my enjoyment of the vape flavours. I don't enjoy my double expresso the way I used to either. Down to 2 maybe 3 cups a day. I still don't vape "dry", prefer juice or water now however. The juice must be paired with the vape I have loaded! Else I have water.
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I used to be a Chillihead, but since vaping cannot go as hot as I used to. Stopped coffee almost totally when I started vaping. Only recently started to enjoy a good espresso again.
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