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Errrrm... asking for a friend - what is a silver?
The big question MTL, DL, RDL
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Errrrm... asking for a friend - what is a silver?
Oh there are many iterations of a "Silver"
Most will include but not exclusively
A feeling of lightheaded
The inability to stand up
weakness in the knees
The inability to elucidate exactly what is wrong with you.
if you have never had the above, you have never done a "Silver"
Most will include but not exclusively
A feeling of lightheaded
The inability to stand up
weakness in the knees
The inability to elucidate exactly what is wrong with you.
if you have never had the above, you have never done a "Silver"
In other words, the same feeling I get every time I see Jennifer Connelly...
Ahhh - that's me with 12mg MTL juice (hate the stuff).
Mind you the same used to happen to me back in the day when trying to do weed & that's why I never took to it
Its different though, one is getting baked, the other one is getting flame seared on the open fire pits of hell xD
Yep. my favoured way to vape recently is a medium MTL but with a a 0.4ohm coil which also means the tighter airflow and long narrow bore 510 means it's great at just 20w while giving a strong vape intense with flavour!
Yes those wattages with those ohms are in line with how I vape as well and I vary between a medium MTL up to a tight RDL so very similar!
When I started vaping the mg was important to me and getting a throat hit to mimic that of a cigarette and when I use to vape different styles I needed to adjust the nic strength accordingly! Years later it doesn't matter what style I vape at what wattage, 70/30 3mg with everything!
I've been struggling to get a throat hit going, more so feels like a lung hit depending on the juice haha the smashd 10mg 50/50 makes me cough but the snow cone 12mg 60/40 feels fine and tastes great... Weird how it works. Maybe I am somewhat desenstised to throat hit idk.
For me so far I've noticed the following from this discussion and my own experience:
The quality of juice makes a huge difference in harshness
The coil you use and wicking technique makes a huge difference
The rest (see mods and tanks) don't seem?? To make that big a difference if we all sticking sub 80 Watts and above 0.1x ohms anyway??
Or am I wrong?
Sometimes feels like there's too many variables and even with the same build on the same tank and same juice unless you are a clinical coil builder and wicker it'll still come out slightly different every time?
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Also, in saying this, I've never vaped on high end gear so I probably have a McDonald's taste vs Gordon Ramsay Wagyu burger xD
Save your money, spending big doesn't necessarily mean you get better vape or/and performance!
2 things really give the throat hit although the characteristics of atomisers can also play a role. It's the nic strength and PG ratio although as we have moved towards higher VG e-liquids PG plays less of a role but at one time the most common ratios were 70PG/30VG, 80PG/20VG, with 50/50 giving the highest VG you would get! The higher the wattage and you vapourize much more e-liquid in one hit so if 12mg is ideal for some one at 15w mtl if they then vaped DL at 80w they would get just as much nic in one hit at 3mg! Also like you say other variables so even the brand of nic used in the e-liquid can effect harshness and also nic salts are much smoother!
Man I had to read that twice! PG was literally like how VG is today! 70Pg/30Vg just imagine the harshness... And the juice must have been basically like water
it's quite amazing how we have "evolved"
He literally meant it in that order that's what's crazy about it!@Timwis the ratios for VG and PG is swopped around, should be 70VG/30PG, 80VG/20PG
No, that's now but years ago PG dominated e-liquid mix's not VG!@Timwis the ratios for VG and PG is swopped around, should be 70VG/30PG, 80VG/20PG
Yep the sub-ohm tank is only about 6 years old! And wicking holes on Mtl coils and in clearomisers were like pin size, any thicker they wouldn't wick!Man I had to read that twice! PG was literally like how VG is today! 70Pg/30Vg just imagine the harshness... And the juice must have been basically like water
Just thought I would say that I have been asking exactly the same Questions as OP in the last few days and the last few weeks have taught me just how much personal experience and needs account for personal taste.
I have only been using PNP Pod tanks yet I started with MTL because I wanted the experience to match smoking as closely as possible.
I then flipped to DL after trying everything in between that my pod would allow.
I have tried all the above with two types of coils and wattage's ranging from 25 to 75watt using juices from 6mg to 18mg.
The one thing that matters is I found a system that works for me.
I preferred and still prefer this over tobacco. I feel like I hit the jackpot at times in fact
Anyway, I have gotten to the point where I accept I can not know everything about this all at once but will learn as time goes on.
There really is no standard for everyone but I think there is a solution for everyone.
I have only been using PNP Pod tanks yet I started with MTL because I wanted the experience to match smoking as closely as possible.
I then flipped to DL after trying everything in between that my pod would allow.
I have tried all the above with two types of coils and wattage's ranging from 25 to 75watt using juices from 6mg to 18mg.
The one thing that matters is I found a system that works for me.
I preferred and still prefer this over tobacco. I feel like I hit the jackpot at times in fact
Anyway, I have gotten to the point where I accept I can not know everything about this all at once but will learn as time goes on.
There really is no standard for everyone but I think there is a solution for everyone.
I have started and stopped vaping many times until I finally found rebuildables (initially could not understand the hype... my oh my was I wrong). I found flavour on a cheap tank that a lot of people wrote off but it worked for me at the time. I have 2 setups in rotation, one DL and one MTL/RDL so I have not spent a lot...... yet. For me 12Mg Freebase nic did the trick with a tobaccoish profile (there are plenty to choose from) As mentioned earlier , play with wicking thickness and length (not so thick you cannot guide it through the coil but not loose enough to fall out either) and position and distance of teh coil from airflow.
May you build happy clouds and find your sweet spot way sooner than the end of another rabbit hole (or another stinkie)
May you build happy clouds and find your sweet spot way sooner than the end of another rabbit hole (or another stinkie)
I have started and stopped vaping many times until I finally found rebuildables (initially could not understand the hype... my oh my was I wrong). I found flavour on a cheap tank that a lot of people wrote off but it worked for me at the time. I have 2 setups in rotation, one DL and one MTL/RDL so I have not spent a lot...... yet. For me 12Mg Freebase nic did the trick with a tobaccoish profile (there are plenty to choose from) As mentioned earlier , play with wicking thickness and length (not so thick you cannot guide it through the coil but not loose enough to fall out either) and position and distance of teh coil from airflow.
May you build happy clouds and find your sweet spot way sooner than the end of another rabbit hole (or another stinkie)
Thanks dude, I hope so too, I feel like I need to break the mold and just try stuff and experiment, just mess around and have fun and see what comes, good or bad
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That's great that you found what works for you! When you experimented with different styles and wattages was that with the PnP Pod tank? If so you were never going to get a good MTL but manufactured due to the airflow leakage and proprietary drip tip! What @DarthBranMuffin said is quite correct but only if it's within the design capabilities of the atomiser! The purpose made MTL P'n'P pod does give a reasonable MTL vape but not really on one of the Voopoo pod devices due to the flawed airflow design which gives too much air leakage as mentioned, those pods and pod tanks from Voopoo are great for a DL vape (apart from leaking coils) which is why that's where you found your happy place with it!Just thought I would say that I have been asking exactly the same Questions as OP in the last few days and the last few weeks have taught me just how much personal experience and needs account for personal taste.
I have only been using PNP Pod tanks yet I started with MTL because I wanted the experience to match smoking as closely as possible.
I then flipped to DL after trying everything in between that my pod would allow.
I have tried all the above with two types of coils and wattage's ranging from 25 to 75watt using juices from 6mg to 18mg.
The one thing that matters is I found a system that works for me.
I preferred and still prefer this over tobacco. I feel like I hit the jackpot at times in fact
Anyway, I have gotten to the point where I accept I can not know everything about this all at once but will learn as time goes on.
There really is no standard for everyone but I think there is a solution for everyone.
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Hey buddy I just read this again and I wanted to ask what you meant? Just curious as I think I'm missing some context
Thank you for the above and yes I agree, I think the DL also came from only being able to find 6mg/ml juice at the time of buying my kit and chainsmoking.
Currently I DL juices ranging from 12 to 16mg/ml @ 28 t0 45W. I know it sounds OTT but Nic and W have been dropping significantly over the past few weeks without me chain vaping (as in I was DL'ing 18mg @ 45 to 55w a couple weeks back).
All back to personal preference/need I guess
Currently All I would like to perfect my experience is less darth vader noises
)As well as MTL, RDL and DL there's a bespoke style that comes within that loose MTL, tight RDL area! A very loose MTL and tight RDL has the same restriction it's just the style you change! When I use to vape more RDL style I would switch between RDL and MTL with the same set-up and airflow (with atomisers like the original single coil Zeus and Serpent Elevate), those that do this often enough tend to merge the two styles and develop a bespoke style!
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