The Cyclone Thread

[DaRoach]

Also, the deck and chamber on the Cyclone is so small, for me big ID coils tend to heat up everything too much.

Yes thanks it makes sense with that small chamber. Im really starting to like this setup. Also might be my imagination but battery life is better also I smoked on one battery the whole of yesterday might i attribute that to the smaller ID coils cause on my veritas definitely consume 2 vtc4's in one day.

Edit: VAPED not "smoked" LOL

 

[Marzuq]

@DaRoach ive found that the ID and resistance affects the flavour I want. I am currently testing 2. 5mm ID @0.4ohms on my cyclops. Dual coil with afc open all the way. I only VM4 in my reo. For me this combination provides a nice warm vape. A little extra clouds. And it brings out more of the tobacco flavour.

Whereas my usual setup is 2mm ID @0.6ohms and the vape is alot sweeter. More pronounced caramel taste. Not nearly as warm and the clouds acceptable. It's more of a vape in public setup.

 

[DaRoach]

@DaRoach ive found that the ID and resistance affects the flavour I want. I am currently testing 2. 5mm ID @0.4ohms on my cyclops. Dual coil with afc open all the way. I only VM4 in my reo. For me this combination provides a nice warm vape. A little extra clouds. And it brings out more of the tobacco flavour.

Whereas my usual setup is 2mm ID @0.6ohms and the vape is alot sweeter. More pronounced caramel taste. Not nearly as warm and the clouds acceptable. It's more of a vape in public setup.

Yea im starting to get the hang of it awsome setup im using 2mm ID with 26G at 0.7 ohm really liking it i would like to dual coil it but for now im still getting used to the atomizer. Im not really a tobacco fan neither a desert fan my all time favorite juice is Castle Long.

 

[Andre]

Yea im starting to get the hang of it awsome setup im using 2mm ID with 26G at 0.7 ohm really liking it i would like to dual coil it but for now im still getting used to the atomizer. Im not really a tobacco fan neither a desert fan my all time favorite juice is Castle Long.

Castle Long will rock you on duals in there! But, take your time and first get used to the atty. When you go dual coils, aim for around 0.6 ohms.

 

[DaRoach]

Castle Long will rock you on duals in there! But, take your time and first get used to the atty. When you go dual coils, aim for around 0.6 ohms.

will do but as you said ill take some time to get to know the atty also the current bottle of castle long i have 18mg nic 12mg was sold out dont think it wise to dual that even single coil is kicking my ass

 

[Silver]

Yes thanks it makes sense with that small chamber. Im really starting to like this setup. Also might be my imagination but battery life is better also I smoked on one battery the whole of yesterday might i attribute that to the smaller ID coils cause on my veritas definitely consume 2 vtc4's in one day.

Edit: VAPED not "smoked" LOL

Hi @DaRoach
You asking great questions about the effects of changing the diameter of the coil.

I am no expert on this but I have tried to think about it logically and there are a lot of other comments about this scattered on ECF. Just don't have them at hand.

Here is what I think as it pertains to the RM2, which as you know is a small size atomiser for the Reo and an excellent flavour producer:

The larger the ID, the cooler the temperature is in the centre of the coil. The smaller the ID, the hotter it is likely to get - at the same power of course. But the larger the ID, the more wicking material and the more juice you can carry.

If you are going to go very low in resistance, like around 0.4 or somewhere in that region, the power you are generating is about 40 Watts or thereabouts. At that level, I think you do need more juice flow, so a larger ID helps.

But say at 1 ohm - about 16 Watts, I think you need less juice, so a smaller ID is preferred to get the temperature as hot as possible because you don't have much power to start with anyway.

I am talking about compressed coils here where the wraps are touching, forming a cylinder around the wick.

I have noticed that at higher powers I can use a bigger diameter (say 1.8mm) and at "lower" powers the smaller ID 1.5mm coils work better for me. That is not to say that a 1.5mm small ID coil wont work at high power, I just think you may not have enough juice to give you enough puffs per squonk.

Its all related and of course the type of juice comes into it too.

I would say you need to experiment.

On battery life, just for reference, I get about 3 ml of the 6ml Grand bottle (about half a bottle) before the battery is down to about 3.8V and I can just start feeling that its not as strong as it was. But I can still vape another 1ml or so quite comfortably. At about 4ml it gets quite weak and I would only vape it like that if there was no other device loaded and I was in a pinch. Have done that many times right down to empty but the last 2ml is not that pleasant on some juices. This seems to be reasonably consistent even if I am on a 1 ohm coil or a 0.5 ohm para. Its just that the juice goes faster on the lower ohm coil.

 

[DaRoach]

Hi @DaRoach
You asking great questions about the effects of changing the diameter of the coil.

I am no expert on this but I have tried to think about it logically and there are a lot of other comments about this scattered on ECF. Just don't have them at hand.

Here is what I think as it pertains to the RM2, which as you know is a small size atomiser for the Reo and an excellent flavour producer:

The larger the ID, the cooler the temperature is in the centre of the coil. The smaller the ID, the hotter it is likely to get - at the same power of course. But the larger the ID, the more wicking material and the more juice you can carry.

If you are going to go very low in resistance, like around 0.4 or somewhere in that region, the power you are generating is about 40 Watts or thereabouts. At that level, I think you do need more juice flow, so a larger ID helps.

But say at 1 ohm - about 16 Watts, I think you need less juice, so a smaller ID is preferred to get the temperature as hot as possible because you don't have much power to start with anyway.

I am talking about compressed coils here where the wraps are touching, forming a cylinder around the wick.

I have noticed that at higher powers I can use a bigger diameter (say 1.8mm) and at "lower" powers the smaller ID 1.5mm coils work better for me. That is not to say that a 1.5mm small ID coil wont work at high power, I just think you may not have enough juice to give you enough puffs per squonk.

Its all related and of course the type of juice comes into it too.

I would say you need to experiment.

On battery life, just for reference, I get about 3 ml of the 6ml Grand bottle (about half a bottle) before the battery is down to about 3.8V and I can just start feeling that its not as strong as it was. But I can still vape another 1ml or so quite comfortably. At about 4ml it gets quite weak and I would only vape it like that if there was no other device loaded and I was in a pinch. Have done that many times right down to empty but the last 2ml is not that pleasant on some juices. This seems to be reasonably consistent even if I am on a 1 ohm coil or a 0.5 ohm para. Its just that the juice goes faster on the lower ohm coil.

Awsome explanation makes alot of sense and i can confirm about the battery my bottle was about half when i changed the battery witch i then later measured with a volt meter at 3.8v.

 

[huffnpuff]

Eish! Time to add a magnifier to my rebuilding kit...

Doing an ugly for my Nicoticket Got Cookie?. Coiled nice, fitted like a charm, tightened her up and got some weird firing or rather lack thereof....just sad

 

[Alex]

Are the legs in both holes?

Check it on the meter

 

[Rob Fisher]

You need one of these! They rock!

 

[Alex]

You need one of these! They rock!

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I really need one of those, my eyesight is seriously taking strain these days.

 

[Andre]

Eish! Time to add a magnifier to my rebuilding kit...

Doing an ugly for my Nicoticket Got Cookie?. Coiled nice, fitted like a charm, tightened her up and got some weird firing or rather lack thereof....just sad

Yip, looks like the one leg is just hanging there. And the outside edge of the coil looks as if it might touch the topcap.

 

[huffnpuff]

Yip, looks like the one leg is just hanging there. And the outside edge of the coil looks as if it might touch the topcap.

haha, "Lighting was dim" and my eye's were playing tricks on me ( ) and I totally missed the negative post hole when I thought I was threading it just fine. It was only after fretting a bit that I noticed the free leg, hence the sunken positioning. Truly a DOH! moment.

 

[Robert Howes]

After more than a month of neglect I gave the Reo and Cyclops an ultrasonic bath and decided to give it another run over the weekend, even took it to work today. Maybe I am not use to squonking anymore but man o man, I am either getting dry hits or I am over filling the attie with juice oozing out the air flow holes. I seriously think with the advent of RTA's the Reo is finally going to be a home machine from now on.

 

[Andre]

After more than a month of neglect I gave the Reo and Cyclops an ultrasonic bath and decided to give it another run over the weekend, even took it to work today. Maybe I am not use to squonking anymore but man o man, I am either getting dry hits or I am over filling the attie with juice oozing out the air flow holes. I seriously think with the advent of RTA's the Reo is finally going to be a home machine from now on.View attachment 21089

If you have dual coils in there, seems like you have the air slots facing incorrectly. Show us a picture of you coiling/wicking, maybe we can help.

 

[Robert Howes]

Any more forward and they will be touching the Cyclops.

 

[Robert Howes]

 

[Andre]

Any more forward and they will be touching the Cyclops.
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What I have found on the Cyclops is that the coil ID should not be bigger than 1.5 mm. As soon as the coils and wicking are too close to the air slits, you get the juice bridging and leaking from the slits.
The air slits must be facing away from you as you vape, otherwise the juice collects at the air slit facing the ground and leaks and gurgles. The way I vape, one of the air slits on your build will be facing towards the ground.
Your wicking looks ok for me, but with bottom feeders less wicking is always better.
Hope that helps.

 

[Andre]

My new Reo deserves a new coil and wick for its first workout. The golden Cyclops with pre-2014 deck was called in for duty. Dual coils, 1.6 mm ID, 8 wraps of 28g Kanthal came out to 0.45 ohms.

Wicked with 2 mm ceramic wick

Juicing

Firing

Ready to vape

A heavenly vape!

 

[Silver]

@Andre, that is just so classic!
Wish you well for the new Reo
Are you going to put a button cover on it?

 

[Andre]

@Andre, that is just so classic!
Wish you well for the new Reo
Are you going to put a button cover on it?

Thanks. Button - probably, waiting for a golden one. Which would look better the delrin black or an aluminium one to fit with the Fusion drip tip?

 

[Silver]

Thanks. Button - probably, waiting for a golden one. Which would look better the delrin black or an aluminium one to fit with the Fusion drip tip?

Ok cool, a gold button would really be neat
Actually, silver or black would do just as well in my view

You know what, talking buttons, i have the black delrin button on Reo Black and I have always just loved the way it feels when firing. The shape is different. Just feels so good and easy to press. Very slight difference though, but i like it.

 

[Rob Fisher]

My new Reo deserves a new coil and wick for its first workout. The golden Cyclops with pre-2014 deck was called in for duty. Dual coils, 1.6 mm ID, 8 wraps of 28g Kanthal came out to 0.45 ohms.

Oh WOW... doesn't get much better than that!

 

[Andre]

Oh WOW... doesn't get much better than that!

Only better things are in Rob's Lounge

 

[Genosmate]

Anyone had the orings on the deck break.One of mine just did and I've played with some I have here which are OK but not 100%,would like to know where I can get the correct ones.