The Cyclone Thread
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nice write up as always @Silver. as @Andre said dual coils only start shining around .6ohms and lower. that was exactly my experience with duals. im vaping down at .4ohms.Thanks to @Rob Fisher - I am the proud owner of the new Cyclone with the extra AFC cap.
I thought I would report back on my first experience and hopefully I can learn some tips from the more experienced Cyclone users.
For my first try, I figured I would give the Cyclone a full bash with dual coils and make use of the AFC cap to its full potential. I wanted a coil around the 0.7 ohm range so I thought I would do two 7-wrap coils with 30g wire - so as not to take up too much space for my first build.
Let me say upfront I have very little experience with dual coils. I have built some of them before on the Trident but have never used duals for all day vaping.
Here is what came out
- dual coils, each was 7 wraps of 30g Kanthal - around 1.5mm ID
- the resistance came out at 0.81 ohms. Not bad.
- build was quite easy on the Cyclone deck, just like the RM2
- am still wicking with organic cotton.
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Yes I know, the one coil is a bit higher than the other one
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Also, the one coil is slightly closer to the edge than the other one. They're not identically positioned. They did heat up at about the same time though. One was very slightly faster than the other.
I wondered how I would know how to line up the coils with the airholes on the AFC cap. The cap can be pushed on to the deck anywhere, but the distance between the airhole slots is fixed, so one needs to know exactly where to position the coils beforehand. On the normal RM2 (Reomizer) I just make a black mark with a koki pen on the base where the airhole is when the cap is screwed in. Then I build the coil in line with that mark. I suppose I need to do something like this with the Cyclone AFC.
I am using HHV's Gaia (Tobacco juice) for this. I know this juice fairly well. It's a really tasty no-nonsense tobacco.
So how was the vape?
It was interesting. I'm not super impressed yet and am thinking that the Cyclone (with AFC and dual coils) may just not be my cup of tea.
- the main thing for me is that I don't think I'm a lung hitting kind of guy. At least not for all day vaping. With the airholes wide open or even half open, you can take a deep long lung hit and cloud the whole room. It is impressive. But that's just not my style of vaping. Not the Cyclone's fault at all. Just maybe not something for me. One does get throat hit, but its different, a bit burny with less concentrated flavour. I like the shorter draws that are rich in flavour with short strong punchy throat hits.
- when I close the airholes down to mimic the kind of draw I like on the RM2, it is better, but still sub-par compared to a well setup RM2 with single coil. I get less flavour and quite a bit less throat hit. It also could be that when the air hole slots are much smaller, my coils are not lining up with the airholes properly. I will concede that this is my first build on the Cyclone so it may well get better with more practice and different configurations.
On the vaping action:
- it takes a little bit longer to warm up than I'm used to - but not too long
- there is a definite "pop" at first toot when cold - with a bit of spitting
- not that noisy but does sound like a muffled low-pitched steam train
- I sometimes get a bit of juice in my mouth, I think from a bit of splatter.
This is a new experience for me on multiple fronts. It's difficult to know whether to blame the dual coils or the Cyclone with AFC.
Perhaps some of the more experienced Cyclone folk can comment on their experiences and it will help me to refine things.
Or maybe the Cyclone with AFC is more aimed at lung hitting than mouth to lung vaping?
when I started reading this I was thinking to my self why the hell did silver get the afc cap?? he loves his draw tight. I think the afc is more for lung hitters. unless you close it off to like .6mm each side it might work For you like that
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Thanks @Cape vaping supplies - I appreciate the feedback.
I definitely will give it a try at lower resistance - maybe use 28g or 26g with similar wraps.
I guess I should go for 0.6 ohms and work down from there.
I do love my draw tight, but I am thinking that with the right setup I may like the occasional lung hit. Maybe dedicate one device to that.
Yes, and closing it off until its about 0.6mm each is about where the draw feels right for mouth to lung for me. It does work there - but just not as good as my experience on the standard single coil/Rm2 setup. Perhaps its because there is not enough air. Or maybe it will work better at 0.6 ohms or lower. Even with a tight draw. Don't know - but sure will find out in time...
Thanks for your comments...
Thanks to @Rob Fisher - I am the proud owner of the new Cyclone with the extra AFC cap.
I thought I would report back on my first experience and hopefully I can learn some tips from the more experienced Cyclone users.
For my first try, I figured I would give the Cyclone a full bash with dual coils and make use of the AFC cap to its full potential. I wanted a coil around the 0.7 ohm range so I thought I would do two 7-wrap coils with 30g wire - so as not to take up too much space for my first build.
Let me say upfront I have very little experience with dual coils. I have built some of them before on the Trident but have never used duals for all day vaping.
Here is what came out
- dual coils, each was 7 wraps of 30g Kanthal - around 1.5mm ID
- the resistance came out at 0.81 ohms. Not bad.
- build was quite easy on the Cyclone deck, just like the RM2
- am still wicking with organic cotton.
View attachment 10351
Yes I know, the one coil is a bit higher than the other one
View attachment 10352
Also, the one coil is slightly closer to the edge than the other one. They're not identically positioned. They did heat up at about the same time though. One was very slightly faster than the other.
I wondered how I would know how to line up the coils with the airholes on the AFC cap. The cap can be pushed on to the deck anywhere, but the distance between the airhole slots is fixed, so one needs to know exactly where to position the coils beforehand. On the normal RM2 (Reomizer) I just make a black mark with a koki pen on the base where the airhole is when the cap is screwed in. Then I build the coil in line with that mark. I suppose I need to do something like this with the Cyclone AFC.
I am using HHV's Gaia (Tobacco juice) for this. I know this juice fairly well. It's a really tasty no-nonsense tobacco.
So how was the vape?
It was interesting. I'm not super impressed yet and am thinking that the Cyclone (with AFC and dual coils) may just not be my cup of tea.
- the main thing for me is that I don't think I'm a lung hitting kind of guy. At least not for all day vaping. With the airholes wide open or even half open, you can take a deep long lung hit and cloud the whole room. It is impressive. But that's just not my style of vaping. Not the Cyclone's fault at all. Just maybe not something for me. One does get throat hit, but its different, a bit burny with less concentrated flavour. I like the shorter draws that are rich in flavour with short strong punchy throat hits.
- when I close the airholes down to mimic the kind of draw I like on the RM2, it is better, but still sub-par compared to a well setup RM2 with single coil. I get less flavour and quite a bit less throat hit. It also could be that when the air hole slots are much smaller, my coils are not lining up with the airholes properly. I will concede that this is my first build on the Cyclone so it may well get better with more practice and different configurations.
On the vaping action:
- it takes a little bit longer to warm up than I'm used to - but not too long
- there is a definite "pop" at first toot when cold - with a bit of spitting
- not that noisy but does sound like a muffled low-pitched steam train
- I sometimes get a bit of juice in my mouth, I think from a bit of splatter.
This is a new experience for me on multiple fronts. It's difficult to know whether to blame the dual coils or the Cyclone with AFC.
Perhaps some of the more experienced Cyclone folk can comment on their experiences and it will help me to refine things.
Or maybe the Cyclone with AFC is more aimed at lung hitting than mouth to lung vaping?
I love reading your reviews and info @Silver ! I must admit i am running my AFC in single ugly coil mode with one side of the AFS open half way and its incredible!!
im not a huge fan of dual coils based on the fact that it uses to much juice and i have tried the whole blowing big clouds thing but flavor is more important!
I guess its a personal thing but for me i defiantly think the cyclone\cyclops is the best atty i have tried on the reo and i have like 6 (igo -bf, igo -w, remoiser 2,3,5 and the cyclone.
Thanks @paulph201 - much appreciated.
Just seems to me the Cyclone with the Cyclops (AFC) cap was designed for dual coils so I am trying that first.
I also need to give a single coil a try. With the normal non AFC cap as well.
In good time...
My idea for now is to get into 6mg with lung hits on dual coils on the AFC.
Dropping my nic and clouds! Whoop!
Dropping my nic and clouds! Whoop!
Its cool but after a few hits i realize you never going to get the same flavor from mouth to lung.
You're right. I will give it a go and if it doesn't work out, I still have a lot of 12mg's at home.
Thanks to @Rob Fisher - I am the proud owner of the new Cyclone with the extra AFC cap.
I thought I would report back on my first experience and hopefully I can learn some tips from the more experienced Cyclone users.
For my first try, I figured I would give the Cyclone a full bash with dual coils and make use of the AFC cap to its full potential. I wanted a coil around the 0.7 ohm range so I thought I would do two 7-wrap coils with 30g wire - so as not to take up too much space for my first build.
Let me say upfront I have very little experience with dual coils. I have built some of them before on the Trident but have never used duals for all day vaping.
Here is what came out
- dual coils, each was 7 wraps of 30g Kanthal - around 1.5mm ID
- the resistance came out at 0.81 ohms. Not bad.
- build was quite easy on the Cyclone deck, just like the RM2
- am still wicking with organic cotton.
View attachment 10351
Yes I know, the one coil is a bit higher than the other one
View attachment 10352
Also, the one coil is slightly closer to the edge than the other one. They're not identically positioned. They did heat up at about the same time though. One was very slightly faster than the other.
I wondered how I would know how to line up the coils with the airholes on the AFC cap. The cap can be pushed on to the deck anywhere, but the distance between the airhole slots is fixed, so one needs to know exactly where to position the coils beforehand. On the normal RM2 (Reomizer) I just make a black mark with a koki pen on the base where the airhole is when the cap is screwed in. Then I build the coil in line with that mark. I suppose I need to do something like this with the Cyclone AFC.
I am using HHV's Gaia (Tobacco juice) for this. I know this juice fairly well. It's a really tasty no-nonsense tobacco.
So how was the vape?
It was interesting. I'm not super impressed yet and am thinking that the Cyclone (with AFC and dual coils) may just not be my cup of tea.
- the main thing for me is that I don't think I'm a lung hitting kind of guy. At least not for all day vaping. With the airholes wide open or even half open, you can take a deep long lung hit and cloud the whole room. It is impressive. But that's just not my style of vaping. Not the Cyclone's fault at all. Just maybe not something for me. One does get throat hit, but its different, a bit burny with less concentrated flavour. I like the shorter draws that are rich in flavour with short strong punchy throat hits.
- when I close the airholes down to mimic the kind of draw I like on the RM2, it is better, but still sub-par compared to a well setup RM2 with single coil. I get less flavour and quite a bit less throat hit. It also could be that when the air hole slots are much smaller, my coils are not lining up with the airholes properly. I will concede that this is my first build on the Cyclone so it may well get better with more practice and different configurations.
On the vaping action:
- it takes a little bit longer to warm up than I'm used to - but not too long
- there is a definite "pop" at first toot when cold - with a bit of spitting
- not that noisy but does sound like a muffled low-pitched steam train
- I sometimes get a bit of juice in my mouth, I think from a bit of splatter.
This is a new experience for me on multiple fronts. It's difficult to know whether to blame the dual coils or the Cyclone with AFC.
Perhaps some of the more experienced Cyclone folk can comment on their experiences and it will help me to refine things.
Or maybe the Cyclone with AFC is more aimed at lung hitting than mouth to lung vaping?
Because of using ceramic wicking, I have only built but 2 sets of coils on my cyclone with AFC. It is, however, my preferred engine on the Reo by far. My remarks re coiling/wicking should be taken in the light of my limited experience in this regard.
- I build my coils as low as possible. This is done by inserting the 2 coils with a mandrel in each. Then position the coils mirroring each other and with the mandrels flat against the deck. Then hold the 2 mandrels down against the deck with one hand whilst tightening the screws. Now makes sure the coils are not touching the deck or are uncomfortably close to the deck. If so, lift to the same level using the mandrels.
- My first set of coils were 0.45 ohms and the second 0.55 ohms. In both sets I have set the air slots from tight to full open doing my normal mouth to lung hits. With good and flavourful results and satisfying throat hits.
Yeah defiantly!
After watching lots of youtube videos and also reading lots on ecf i have worked out the following:
1) the Americans love using higher VG juice in drippers at 20+ watts with big vapor! (3,6 nicotine)
2) Europe (mainly UK) are more into lower watts and higher PG juices and prefer stronger throat hits (18+mg nicotine).
I think our market is similar to the UK but i do notice that more and more people here are slowing moving onto the higher VG juices and dripper configurations (increase in REO mods plus mods that are 30+watts is also a sign).
As a vaper i remind myself that the vape is only as good as the build and also that you need to identify what you want! Whats great is we are getting all the good stuff ere atleast as well as great quality home grown juice!
Many thanks @Andre for the feedback.
I will try lower resistance and try positioning the coils lower.
Just on the point of open air slots while doing mouth to lung - that really doesn't feel like much to me. Feels like I'm sucking air - with very little satisfaction. Maybe its that my coils are not working enough and need lower resistance ...
Its a real pitty you not going to be at the meet @Andre i would love to try one of you configurations to see and also chat about stuff!!
worked for me bro. takes a bit of getting used to tho.I am going on about 3weeks on 6mg
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Cool stuff! I will be attempting that then! congrats on the drop bro!
Thanks and good luck dude! hope you can join the 6mg club
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I'm going to give it a very good go dude! It's time!
Would have loved to be there, but am in Tbilisi, Georgia at the moment and will be travelling in Georgia till the middle of September.
The eagle has landed! 
By the way
I ran the Cyclone with Cyclops (AFC) cap and my dual coil for a few days and have now reverted back to the Reomiser.
I will try again when I have more time - but I needed "REO Blue" to be back in business and working the way I like her to.
Aah...
my 0.9 ohm simple single micro-coil
- true pleasure
- tightish mouth to lung
- good to have it back...
I ran the Cyclone with Cyclops (AFC) cap and my dual coil for a few days and have now reverted back to the Reomiser.
I will try again when I have more time - but I needed "REO Blue" to be back in business and working the way I like her to.
Aah...
my 0.9 ohm simple single micro-coil
- true pleasure
- tightish mouth to lung
- good to have it back...
@Silver your comment makes me second guess getting a cyclone. I've been following your posts about it so far.
Thanks for sharing with us!
Please let us know once you've given your trusty single 0.9 Ω coil a go on the cyclone as I'm really curious to hear your thoughts on how it differs to the reomiser with the exact same setup.
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Will do @Yiannaki - we can chat about it at the meet
Bear in mind I have only had one dual coil build on the AFC.
Am keen to try my trusty single coil on the Cyclone without the AFC cap and see what the difference is versus the Reomiser.
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