Ile be sure to take great care.
This is REALLY REALLY REALLY!!!!!!!!!! Troublesome.
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As someone who designs and produces mech mods, this is terrifying. What if that girl had slipped up and somehow created a hard short. I've seen my share of newbies with low to mid end mechs (like the coilart and the noisy v1) do serious harm to themselves and others because of this, people selling possibly dangerous vaping devices to people who REALLY don't know what they're doing, all just to make a quick buck. Its one of the greatest detriments to the industry and community.
A mechanical mod has no safety circuitry nor any form of power regulation. If you put on a coil with too little resistance or an atomizer that is not designed for use on a "hybrid" connection (Atomizer positive pin connects directly to battery positive) you can create a short circuit situation which can (read shall) cause the battery to overheat causing it to vent or even blow up.
These vaping cells contain a lot of energy and releasing it all at once is for all practical purposes an explosion. Even just not taking care how they are stored and transported can have bad consequences.
Selling this stuff to the uninformed without verifying their competence or informing them of the dangers is tantamount to gross recklessness.
Regards
Having read the excellent explanation of mech mods from @Raindance, I can just imagine the headlines, "Vaper blows himself up". We're on precarious ground re future legislation as it is!
And that’s why I stay away from mech mods even though some of them are absolutely beautiful.
Don’t get me wrong I know how to build at safe ohms etc and make sure I use batteries that are safe to use on mechs but honestly I prefer regulated because at least I know I’m protected much more than using a mech mod.
It’s scary how clueless some people are and what make it worse is shops or so called pros selling to the unsuspecting public.
"Fake" is not dangerous; Mech is.
I think this thread is dethreading by the focus that it's a fake mod. If we go back to @Cor's post which started this thread, he says,
"Is there any way to take legal action or stop these people from selling mech with no idea about what it is or how it works........they are going to do so so much damage to the vapeing world........" [my emphasis].
"Fake" is not the issue in this case. The issue is the potential danger. I'm sure cheapy-shops don't know what they are selling, unless they're experienced vapers. They stock a mod, a customer (equally ignorant) wants a mod. Sale done.
I think this thread is dethreading by the focus that it's a fake mod. If we go back to @Cor's post which started this thread, he says,
"Is there any way to take legal action or stop these people from selling mech with no idea about what it is or how it works........they are going to do so so much damage to the vapeing world........" [my emphasis].
"Fake" is not the issue in this case. The issue is the potential danger. I'm sure cheapy-shops don't know what they are selling, unless they're experienced vapers. They stock a mod, a customer (equally ignorant) wants a mod. Sale done.
Not to get into a clone vs auth war
I see your view and understand your thought process but no, mechs aren't dangerous, . . . They literally cant hurt you unless you hit yourself over the head
Cells/batteries are dangerous, the 12v in your car , the li-ion in your phone and of course the 18650 in your mod
They should be treated with respect, you can get unlucky but ignorance/negligence is the issue highlighted
Fake mods to a degree but specifically fake cells/batteries that are not at all suitable for vaping, regulated or mechanical
I worked in a hobby shop years ago, skip to 2:30, guy shorts a Li-po
Peace & love
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Ime a mech mod user myself (squonker)
But my whole issue is that these people give mechs to people who has no no no knowledge about bat safty, ohms law and so on so on.
The person will get home build what ever coil they want and then boom. And like @Scissorhands said the bat is the weakest link.
Or the user uses a hybrid tank on the mechmod and a deadshort happens again boom.
But ime waaiting for 8 and then i shall go and have a look see at this shop.
But my whole issue is that these people give mechs to people who has no no no knowledge about bat safty, ohms law and so on so on.
The person will get home build what ever coil they want and then boom. And like @Scissorhands said the bat is the weakest link.
Or the user uses a hybrid tank on the mechmod and a deadshort happens again boom.
But ime waaiting for 8 and then i shall go and have a look see at this shop.
That is the next step me and the vape shop owner agreed to i just hope when they build themselfs no one gets hurt
Its a hard choice but the whole thing in sickning to me
At least most people buying from there doesnt know a thing about building coils. So they com to you. That at least gives you a chance to educate them.
But then again, as somebody that also works retail but in a different industry, people will always asume you are educating them in order to make a sale. So they tend to ignore your advice and carry on regardless.
This really needs to be stopped at the root. Regulating the sales might help but cigs are also regulated and look how the fake cig industry is booming. It really is a difficult situation.
But then again, as somebody that also works retail but in a different industry, people will always asume you are educating them in order to make a sale. So they tend to ignore your advice and carry on regardless.
This really needs to be stopped at the root. Regulating the sales might help but cigs are also regulated and look how the fake cig industry is booming. It really is a difficult situation.
With out getting into the clone V Authentic debate as i feel that’s a whole different issue here.
It’s all about education, the end-user needs to educate themselves first as well as any vender who sells these products should take
A level of responsibility in the education.
This dose not mean the burden is fully on the vendor but there is definitely some there, they should have the knowledge and back bone not to sell cell’s that are incapable of running a mech when been sold with a mech or question the sale of the cell’s and what mod they will be used in.
This is more about battery safety then anything else. 90% of my mods are tube mechs and after a year of using them i still take time out of my vape oogling time to educate myself on batteries. These are the root of all our risk and need to be treated like that.
On the side of building coils for people on their mechs, you do know if something go’s wrong on that setup they will blame you directly? You will find for instance in the US, they are not allowed to build any mod for their customers for the same reason. If you are to build another atty it might be a good idea to draw up a quick sheet with as much battery and safety information you can and hand over a copy with every coil build.
Come to think about it, i have not seen any battery warning or information at any of the vape shops I frequent. That might be a great place to start.
It’s all about education, the end-user needs to educate themselves first as well as any vender who sells these products should take
A level of responsibility in the education.
This dose not mean the burden is fully on the vendor but there is definitely some there, they should have the knowledge and back bone not to sell cell’s that are incapable of running a mech when been sold with a mech or question the sale of the cell’s and what mod they will be used in.
This is more about battery safety then anything else. 90% of my mods are tube mechs and after a year of using them i still take time out of my vape oogling time to educate myself on batteries. These are the root of all our risk and need to be treated like that.
On the side of building coils for people on their mechs, you do know if something go’s wrong on that setup they will blame you directly? You will find for instance in the US, they are not allowed to build any mod for their customers for the same reason. If you are to build another atty it might be a good idea to draw up a quick sheet with as much battery and safety information you can and hand over a copy with every coil build.
Come to think about it, i have not seen any battery warning or information at any of the vape shops I frequent. That might be a great place to start.
Myself and the vendor i help out decided to set up a test paper people have to wright if they want me to build on a mech for them.If they fail i wont build fir them we also working on a form they have to sighn saying myself and the vapeshop i help out are not liable for any venting bats or anything that goes wrong with the device.
The whole thing thts got me in a fear frenzy is that......the shop selling the devices dont know how they work or any bat safety and also no buyer has any idea what they really buying its a concoction for something really bad and its going to happen.
And then before any shops are to blame vapeing gets acused....while the whole time its human stupidity and greed thats at fault here.
I think AA batteries are to blame.
The average consumer, and shopkeeper/general merchant for that matter, has no clue that 18650's and the like are not just big Duracell batteries. They have little reason to suspect anything else as we all grew up with batteries and never had any reason to expect any danger from them.
For this reason, I believe that the vaping community and most importantly our vendors, should focus on battery safety awareness and even possibly start an active campaign in this regard. The displaying of battery safety posters, verifying consumer competence and education where required should be a standardized practice for all our retailers.
If we claim self regulation, these actions would show commitment to this intent. A competent government would possibly require licencing criteria to include compliance to such regulations were it to be sympathetic to the vaping scene. Unfortunately, just placing a blanket ban on the sale of all related products is just so much easier, especially if considered from a common perspective founded in ignorance. The latter approach of circumventing challenges rather than addressing their root causes is in fact standard practice for most governments, not just ours.
I do not know how well this would go down with the audience but I would propose our member vendors to get together and compile a code of conduct specific to forum member participating vendors. A code to be complied to as core criteria for being and remaining a participating vendor.
I am probably overplaying my hand here so I will leave it at that.
Regards
The average consumer, and shopkeeper/general merchant for that matter, has no clue that 18650's and the like are not just big Duracell batteries. They have little reason to suspect anything else as we all grew up with batteries and never had any reason to expect any danger from them.
For this reason, I believe that the vaping community and most importantly our vendors, should focus on battery safety awareness and even possibly start an active campaign in this regard. The displaying of battery safety posters, verifying consumer competence and education where required should be a standardized practice for all our retailers.
If we claim self regulation, these actions would show commitment to this intent. A competent government would possibly require licencing criteria to include compliance to such regulations were it to be sympathetic to the vaping scene. Unfortunately, just placing a blanket ban on the sale of all related products is just so much easier, especially if considered from a common perspective founded in ignorance. The latter approach of circumventing challenges rather than addressing their root causes is in fact standard practice for most governments, not just ours.
I do not know how well this would go down with the audience but I would propose our member vendors to get together and compile a code of conduct specific to forum member participating vendors. A code to be complied to as core criteria for being and remaining a participating vendor.
I am probably overplaying my hand here so I will leave it at that.
Regards
I agree fully with what you have said here, a campaign driven by the active venders on this forum and key people would definitely bring more awareness to the industry. This would show that we as the vaping community have our best interests at hart, this could also lay the foundation for things to come.
I never really realised how big this fake industry is until I popped into the Centurion Chinese Mall yesterday.
Now to describe the mall, If crap could crap then you still won't have enough crap to equal the amount you will find under that roof.
And there where all your international juices. Jam monsters, Nasty Juices, Liqua's and a lot more that I cannot recall. All 100ml for R50. (The Liqua's was less ml). A couple of Smok and E-leaf mods as well. And very good fakes. From the packaging to the sealing of the packaging. If it wasn't for the price I would have thought it as legit.
Was mainly laughing it off as a joke until I saw the batteries. Sold as rechargeable vape 18650 batteries for R25. The name I cannot remember, not that it matter anyway. And you can't even speak to the owner because his limited amount of understanding of english won't get that conversation far.
Now to describe the mall, If crap could crap then you still won't have enough crap to equal the amount you will find under that roof.
And there where all your international juices. Jam monsters, Nasty Juices, Liqua's and a lot more that I cannot recall. All 100ml for R50. (The Liqua's was less ml). A couple of Smok and E-leaf mods as well. And very good fakes. From the packaging to the sealing of the packaging. If it wasn't for the price I would have thought it as legit.
Was mainly laughing it off as a joke until I saw the batteries. Sold as rechargeable vape 18650 batteries for R25. The name I cannot remember, not that it matter anyway. And you can't even speak to the owner because his limited amount of understanding of english won't get that conversation far.
I know these stalls! I love shopping at them (not for vape gear though, for crappy crap)!
I dont have a problem in the sence with clone gear that much just user and vendor info about certain items......but clone juices i think of as the black plague
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