This whole Diacetyl subject irritates me to no end, it's been discussed in detail many times on this forum and usually results in the flinging of poo. The only thing that irks me more than this subject is the word "gateway"!
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This whole Diacetyl subject irritates me to no end, it's been discussed in detail many times on this forum and usually results in the flinging of poo. The only thing that irks me more than this subject is the word "gateway"!
This whole Diacetyl subject irritates me to no end, it's been discussed in detail many times on this forum and usually results in the flinging of poo. The only thing that irks me more than this subject is the word "gateway"!
When you have a chance, read up on the whole Diacetyl problem - not vaping related, but the original "study" the CDC did when Diacetyl factory workers first started getting sick. It makes for some interesting reading.Exactly my point good sir. I have a chemical and biochemical background of something odd comes up I'll look into it
When you have a chance, read up on the whole Diacetyl problem - not vaping related, but the original "study" the CDC did when Diacetyl factory workers first started getting sick. It makes for some interesting reading.
Well yes, was not arguing your point , was actually in my roundabout way trying to point out that the CDC did a really half-assed study and in the end just told the factory workers to wear protection as it is probably harmful.But that's the whole point here. those factory workers where exposed day in and day out to alarming concentrations of the chemical. in large amounts even water will kill you by dissolving the electrolytes in your blood and increasing your BP to the point where your brain swells. lets all get real here and realize that the concentrations of Diacetyl is to low for the average guy that nothing is going to happen. Maybe in after a few years yes but then we can also conclude that prolonged exposure to exhaust fumes will do the same irreversible damage to a human..so was it his juice or his trip to work on the N1 past revonia that did the damage.
Well yes, was not arguing your point , was actually in my roundabout way trying to point out that the CDC did a really half-assed study and in the end just told the factory workers to wear protection as it is probably harmful.
No actual studies on the effects of inhaling Diacetyl has ever been done
No worries, I think my statement was rather ambiguous
Been a point I have tried to make many times in this forum whenever this pops up (it's like the 4th time already).
Diacetyl also occurs naturally in many products we use every day. So if you are going to freak out about Diacetyl in your e-liquid, then I assume you are going to also stop using butter, popcorn, wine, beer, some oils, vinegar, coffee, salad dressing, syrup, icing, processed cheese and quite a few others.
Chefs bake with butter and therefore inhale tons of Diacetyl every day, and I have yet to hear about Chefs dying of popcorn lung.
i think at the end of the day the facts are simple.. if you advertise your product in a certain light. make sure it complies. a simple fix would be for suicide bunny to have and outside company do the tests and submit. just to clear their name. secondly, we should be alot smarter than that as a vaping community. we know how many people out there are trying to shine that negative light on us. whether it be true or false, the public will still see and hear about the negative effects. and they wont bother looking into it any further than just the initial statement.
when we go off on a rant and make a scene we only play into the anti vaping idiots hands.
The thing is when suicide bunny was first accused of having Diacetyl, they did submit their products to testing and found none - but as witch hunts go, their tests were immediately "discredited" because "how do we know this is true" and "how do we know that their testing will even pick up Diacetyl" , "where is the chain of custody" on and on it went.i think at the end of the day the facts are simple.. if you advertise your product in a certain light. make sure it complies. a simple fix would be for suicide bunny to have and outside company do the tests and submit. just to clear their name. secondly, we should be alot smarter than that as a vaping community. we know how many people out there are trying to shine that negative light on us. whether it be true or false, the public will still see and hear about the negative effects. and they wont bother looking into it any further than just the initial statement.
when we go off on a rant and make a scene we only play into the anti vaping idiots hands.
Here are the results of those very tests:
http://www.ecigssa.co.za/threads/th...ny-kings-crown-thread.4662/page-4#post-125356
Suicide Bunny/King's Crown had their product tested INDEPENDENTLY after this scandal broke out. The tests resulted in the concentrations being so low that they were ruled as Diacetyl Free. All tested liquids returned results of less than 5 particles per million.
Much fuss about nothing.
As a previous non-smoker (i smoked hubbly like a machine though), I was weary about what I vaped. It was only after serious consideration that we settled on Suicide Bunny and Kings Crown. We are going through the same testing and so on with our next international juice line that should launch very soon! After the original Vape Cartel problem we had with the VC Juice, we have been more committed than ever to bring only the BEST and SAFEST liquids to South Africa. Keep on vaping!!! VAPESTRONG!!!
Diacetyl apparently occurs naturally in alcoholic beverages, so I was in trouble a long time ago
Well, sometimes I drink so fast it looks like I'm inhaling itDo you inhale your alcoholic beverages? I don't, so I'm safe
The thing is when suicide bunny was first accused of having Diacetyl, they did submit their products to testing and found none - but as witch hunts go, their tests were immediately "discredited" because "how do we know this is true" and "how do we know that their testing will even pick up Diacetyl" , "where is the chain of custody" on and on it went.
Several tests were done by other parties until finally someone found some - and voila! we found it, PROOF! - of course their tests procedures and chain of custody was not questioned at all
Do you inhale your alcoholic beverages? I don't, so I'm safe