To squonk or not

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

Ok first a brief history of my almost month of vaping. Started with the Moonshot rta. I could not believe how good it taste. But everything on the moonshot is wrong, finicky with wicking and leaks sometimes with refill, but worst if I need a quick nic fix and chain vape for a min, the tank gets so hot I cant put my mouth near it. After doing a bit of reading, I came to the conclusion that all bottom airflow rta's like to leak, so for me that is out.

Ok next step get suggestions for top airflow, leakproof rta. Got an Intake. Now I dont know if Im an idiot, but from day one I was dissapointed. Airflow nit to restricted, just feel funny, and flavour, man I miss the Moonshot. Though while working I loved the leakproof, but could not wait to get home and hit a few on the moonshot. Tried a friend's Zeus the other day and not much better than the intake.

Ok so yesterday got the Wasp nano just for testing diy juice. Man o man was I supprised, even better than the moonshot. Havent put it down since I got it, with the whistle and the hassle of dripping. But dripping everyday is just not an option.
So the venture continues. Now I see you get an wasp nano rtda also. So it looked like there is the solution, dont know if rtda's also leak, but I see that at least the dont have airflow holes under the tank. Also look like they have little 1-2ml tanks, so then that is also not an every day use option.
Ok so then got me reading on Squonk mods and with my limited knowledge it seems to be the ultimate vaping hassle free/experience. My logic say you will have the dripper experience, with the comfort of a big tank, what more could you want?
So long story short, before I go buy another thing, what is the disadvantages of a squonk mod, do they leak, are they finicky. Problems with everyday use?
And if they dont have major pitfalls, why dont everyone just suggest to new vapers to get a squonk and stop buying other stuff

 

[Silver]

Ok first a brief history of my almost month of vaping. Started with the Moonshot rta. I could not believe how good it taste. But everything on the moonshot is wrong, finicky with wicking and leaks sometimes with refill, but worst if I need a quick nic fix and chain vape for a min, the tank gets so hot I cant put my mouth near it. After doing a bit of reading, I came to the conclusion that all bottom airflow rta's like to leak, so for me that is out.

Ok next step get suggestions for top airflow, leakproof rta. Got an Intake. Now I dont know if Im an idiot, but from day one I was dissapointed. Airflow nit to restricted, just feel funny, and flavour, man I miss the Moonshot. Though while working I loved the leakproof, but could not wait to get home and hit a few on the moonshot. Tried a friend's Zeus the other day and not much better than the intake.

Ok so yesterday got the Wasp nano just for testing diy juice. Man o man was I supprised, even better than the moonshot. Havent put it down since I got it, with the whistle and the hassle of dripping. But dripping everyday is just not an option.
So the venture continues. Now I see you get an wasp nano rtda also. So it looked like there is the solution, dont know if rtda's also leak, but I see that at least the dont have airflow holes under the tank. Also look like they have little 1-2ml tanks, so then that is also not an every day use option.
Ok so then got me reading on Squonk mods and with my limited knowledge it seems to be the ultimate vaping hassle free/experience. My logic say you will have the dripper experience, with the comfort of a big tank, what more could you want?
So long story short, before I go buy another thing, what is the disadvantages of a squonk mod, do they leak, are they finicky. Problems with everyday use?
And if they dont have major pitfalls, why dont everyone just suggest to new vapers to get a squonk en stop buying other stuff

Good questions @Jean claude Vaaldamme

Yes, you are right. A squonker gives you a dripper vape with "tank-like" convenience.

The drawback with squonkers is that it's not exactly a convenient as a tank. When your wick starts running dry, you have to squonk. I.e. press the bottle a bit to squirt up some juice into the RDA. It does take a bit of getting used to and knowing how much to squonk and how long to squonk for. If you overdo it you can get juice leaking out the RDA airhole (if the airholes on your RDA are low down)

The other drawback with squonkers is that you sometimes buy a squonker but can't easily get more of the refill bottles once the product gets a bit older and the vendors don't stock it anymore. Some squonkers take a wider range of bottles. So best you buy a few when you get the squonker.

I would suggest you give it a try.

 

[Silver]

PS - your last question about why doesnt everyone just go for a squonker
Well, some people don't like building coils on the RDA.
And the other reason is that some people prefer the "grab and vape" convenience of a tank without the hassle of squonking.

 

[Raindance]

PS - your last question about why doesnt everyone just go for a squonker
Well, some people don't like building coils on the RDA.
And the other reason is that some people prefer the "grab and vape" convenience of a tank without the hassle of squonking.

@Jean claude Vaaldamme
Squonking was main line a couple of years back but mainly limited to mechanical squonkers which we would not recommend for new users. They also require you to be willing to rebuild your own coils so its not exactly what your average vaper is looking for.

Only since basically the start of this year have regulated squonk mods been readily available and become more main line than previously.

It took me two years to get to squonking and for a year now I have not used anything else. My personal beater is a recurve on top of a Coppervape (Cheapie) mech squonker and for extra oomph I use a Dead Rabbit dual coil jobbie or a Drop. Both suck a single 18650 dry in record time so despite being awesome vapes, a dual cell mod would be required for all day use. Dual cell 18650 are a bit bulky forr all day carry so that explain the Coppervape and Recurve as ADV setup.

Your options, in my opinion, are a Vandy Vape Pulse which takes 21700 and 20700 as well as 18650 cells, the bigger numbers holding more power for longer. The Wasp would perform great on them but over dripping/squonking may be a problem. Put a Recurve or Dead Rabbit SQ (Single coil) on top and I think you will be rather satisfied. I do not own a DR SQ so cannot comment on the flavor but know the Recurve is hard to over squonk and has ample flavor. The DR would however be virtually impossible to over squonk.

If I were you I would not go for a mech squonker as yet, rather get to know the squonking ropes on a regulated mod firs.

Hope this helps,

Regards

EDIT: those are not spelling mistakes, my keyboard is running low on letters...

 

[Room Fogger]

@Jean claude Vaaldamme , this is my car squonk. It’s a little Pico Squeeze semi regulated, with a Gasmods Nixon Rdta with a 1.1 ohm build on top.

I run exactly the same setup with a 0.7 ohm build on a Hotcig RSQ regulated squonk, which is a great everyday carry item with very reasonable battery life. Solves a couple of problems that I had with squonking. It is not easy to oversquonk especially while driving in this instance, the tank gives you a reasonable capacity before you have to squonk again, you don’t have to battle to refill and it does not leak as easily as a normal Rda , especially if you close the airflow before pocketing.

I know the Wasp is not a bottom fed Rdta, but have a look around, there are a couple of bf Rdta’s available, although not too sure about single coil ones, that’s why I got a pair of these, and they are great imho. The bonus of course is that you get the Rda flavour with the ease of a Rta.

I still use Rda’s, mostly on my mech squonks and mostly at night when you have more control and more time to appreciate the experience. Hope this will give you some more info to help you make an informed decision.

 

[Rob Fisher]

One thing I have learnt in my 5 years of vaping is that you really need to try to find what works for you personally! MTL vs DL, Pods, RTA’s RDTA’s, RTA’s top air and bottom air flow, Squonking, Mechs, regulated and the list goes on and on… if you had asked me 5 years ago I would have said squonking all the way because at the time I was an REO fan with an MTL BF RDA on top… but if you ask me today then I would say a regulated mod with a decent RTA on top… but it’s different things for different people for sure!

There really is no correct answer here… sure we can all offer advice but it will come from a place we are happy vaping and not necessarily the place you should be…

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

@Jean claude Vaaldamme
Squonking was main line a couple of years back but mainly limited to mechanical squonkers which we would not recommend for new users. They also require you to be willing to rebuild your own coils so its not exactly what your average vaper is looking for.

Only since basically the start of this year have regulated squonk mods been readily available and become more main line than previously.

It took me two years to get to squonking and for a year now I have not used anything else. My personal beater is a recurve on top of a Coppervape (Cheapie) mech squonker and for extra oomph I use a Dead Rabbit dual coil jobbie or a Drop. Both suck a single 18650 dry in record time so despite being awesome vapes, a dual cell mod would be required for all day use. Dual cell 18650 are a bit bulky forr all day carry so that explain the Coppervape and Recurve as ADV setup.

Your options, in my opinion, are a Vandy Vape Pulse which takes 21700 and 20700 as well as 18650 cells, the bigger numbers holding more power for longer. The Wasp would perform great on them but over dripping/squonking may be a problem. Put a Recurve or Dead Rabbit SQ (Single coil) on top and I think you will be rather satisfied. I do not own a DR SQ so cannot comment on the flavor but know the Recurve is hard to over squonk and has ample flavor. The DR would however be virtually impossible to over squonk.

If I were you I would not go for a mech squonker as yet, rather get to know the squonking ropes on a regulated mod firs.

Hope this helps,

Regards

EDIT: those are not spelling mistakes, my keyboard is running low on letters...

Thanks, yes will hopefully not make a hasty pick, will investigate and read a bit first, so hopefully I dont see some bargain this week in the classifieds And yes I like somethinhg that is a bit idiot proof, something that I have to worry about safety and exploding like a mech, seems not plausible for a relaxed everyday use. But also hate to fancy electronics especially lcd screens. Thats why I liked the moonbox, all the protection, but just one plastic knob to turn power up or down. Hope I can find something similar

And seeing that I have 4 18650 batteries, will maybe look at some very small squonker that take one, dont mimd taking two spares with me. Or otherwise look for a dual. Saw a Nikola nigara dual and Ohmboy something that is also dual 18650 on the internet

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

@Jean claude Vaaldamme , this is my car squonk. It’s a little Pico Squeeze semi regulated, with a Gasmods Nixon Rdta with a 1.1 ohm build on top.
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I run exactly the same setup with a 0.7 ohm build on a Hotcig RSQ regulated squonk, which is a great everyday carry item with very reasonable battery life. Solves a couple of problems that I had with squonking. It is not easy to oversquonk especially while driving in this instance, the tank gives you a reasonable capacity before you have to squonk again, you don’t have to battle to refill and it does not leak as easily as a normal Rda , especially if you close the airflow before pocketing.

I know the Wasp is not a bottom fed Rdta, but have a look around, there are a couple of bf Rdta’s available, although not too sure about single coil ones, that’s why I got a pair of these, and they are great imho. The bonus of course is that you get the Rda flavour with the ease of a Rta.

I still use Rda’s, mostly on my mech squonks and mostly at night when you have more control and more time to appreciate the experience. Hope this will give you some more info to help you make an informed decision.

Thanks, so if I understand correctly, you can squonk on an rdta, meaning that you just filling the tank the whole time if you squeeze the bottle?

 

[Armed]

I set my mind on the vandy vape pulse 80watt mod and recurve rda on top of it.
Was just waiting for December (hopefully get my bonus).
And then they come with the vandy vape pulse x..
Now after watching reviews I'm going for that .
If the flavour isn't great, I have my wasp nano rda to put on top of it.
I know you say you not a fan of LCD screen. But you can set your watts and then set it on stealth mode where the screen is off.

 

[Room Fogger]

Thanks, so if I understand correctly, you can squonk on an rdta, meaning that you just filling the tank the whole time if you squeeze the bottle?

Exactly, these are bottom fed rdta’s. I am seeing more of them coming out, but not always sure if they are single or double coil. Mine are single coil ones. So squonk to fill tank, sit back and enjoy.

 

[Cornelius]

If you are near Roodepoort I can give you a vandy vapevbf. However it is mechanical so ohms law would apply

 

[Vilaishima]

@Jean claude Vaaldamme
Squonking was main line a couple of years back but mainly limited to mechanical squonkers which we would not recommend for new users. They also require you to be willing to rebuild your own coils so its not exactly what your average vaper is looking for.

Only since basically the start of this year have regulated squonk mods been readily available and become more main line than previously.

It took me two years to get to squonking and for a year now I have not used anything else. My personal beater is a recurve on top of a Coppervape (Cheapie) mech squonker and for extra oomph I use a Dead Rabbit dual coil jobbie or a Drop. Both suck a single 18650 dry in record time so despite being awesome vapes, a dual cell mod would be required for all day use. Dual cell 18650 are a bit bulky forr all day carry so that explain the Coppervape and Recurve as ADV setup.

Your options, in my opinion, are a Vandy Vape Pulse which takes 21700 and 20700 as well as 18650 cells, the bigger numbers holding more power for longer. The Wasp would perform great on them but over dripping/squonking may be a problem. Put a Recurve or Dead Rabbit SQ (Single coil) on top and I think you will be rather satisfied. I do not own a DR SQ so cannot comment on the flavor but know the Recurve is hard to over squonk and has ample flavor. The DR would however be virtually impossible to over squonk.

If I were you I would not go for a mech squonker as yet, rather get to know the squonking ropes on a regulated mod firs.

Hope this helps,

Regards

EDIT: those are not spelling mistakes, my keyboard is running low on letters...

Yeah I don't think you can oversquonk the Dead Rabbit. The airflow sits so high up.

I am sure mine has been filled to the brim with juice without me noticing. I do like it very much but I much prefer the flavour on the Wasp. I use the Wasp RDTA on my Pico so just refill it more frequently that I would have to an RTA. The easy of wicking and the much better flavour more than makes up for the small 2ml tank.

 

[GSM500]

Just to throw in my 2 cents here. @Jean claude Vaaldamme, Portability of my setup is very important to me.

Have you tried vaping Mouth to Lung? Since you are a new vaper and you have probably just come off the stinkies, you may want to give it a try. Mouth to Lung is mostly done at much lower wattage than Direct Lung and you won't be blowing clouds, the vapour is much lower in volume.

The main reason I bring this up is the convenience of the kit I carry around with me all day. I vape my MTL RTA @ 15W, to do this I only need a small mod that takes a single 18650 Battery, it lasts me the whole day with 20 to 30% battery power left at the end of that day. I charge overnight, fill up 4ml of juice and I'm set for the next day of hassle-free vaping. I do use 12mg nic juice on my MTL mainly to keep me satisfied at low wattage. The other advantage of lower wattage vaping is you have less chance of a dry hit when chain vaping. Your build will be a thinner gauge of wire but the wicking is still for a 2,5 to 3.0mm ID coil so keeping the coil fed with juice is a little less strain on the cotton channel. I can chain hit my setup til the cows come home with no dry hits. This is important to my vaping style.

In the evening I will use my bigger kit when I'm sitting comfortably at home where I can deal with issues of dry hits, leaks, over-squonking, over-dripping or whatever mess may arise. Here I use 3mg Juice at a higher power.

Don't think that MTL has less flavour, the flavour can be quite intense but it is a different experience to DL vaping.

MTL is not for everyone but typically offers you a lighter-weight setup for when you are on the go.

 

[Andre]

Yes, a BF (bottom fed capable) RDTA is great for squonking @Jean claude Vaaldamme. It takes the guesswork out of when to squonk. Oversquonking is a thing of the past with the visible little tank and the juice quite a bit below the air flow inlets. I only do MTL and fully agree with @GSM500 above. My go to regulated setup is the Pulse 80W (20700 battery) squonker with Vapefly Galaxies MTL RDTA.

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

Thanks for all the help, made an impulse bargain buy(again). Hopefully wont be looking next week to buy something else again

 

[baksteen8168]

Thanks for all the help, made an impulse bargain buy(again). Hopefully wont be looking next week to buy something else again

Oh, you'll be looking.

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

Ok since Im now finished buying stuff, is there anything I need to buy to convert the wasp nano to squonking?

 

[baksteen8168]

Ok since Im now finished buying stuff, is there anything I need to buy to convert the wasp nano to squonking?

No, there should be a BF pin in the Wasp's box. (a little pin with a small hole through it)

 

[baksteen8168]

Simply unscrew the positive pin on the under side of the Wasp's deck and screw the BF pin in

 

[Vilaishima]

I doubt you'll turn back. Squonking is great and the mods are usually very light weight.
This my Stentorian Ram and Dead Rabbit SQ daily setup.

 

[JurgensSt]

Wait till the Pulse Dual is available ...... smallest dual battery (18650) squonker

 

[JurgensSt]

 

[baksteen8168]

Wait till the Pulse Dual is available ...... smallest dual battery (18650) squonker

Wha.... I NEED THIS!!!

 

[lesvaches]

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[acorn]

Yes, a BF (bottom fed capable) RDTA is great for squonking @Jean claude Vaaldamme. It takes the guesswork out of when to squonk. Oversquonking is a thing of the past with the visible little tank and the juice quite a bit below the air flow inlets. I only do MTL and fully agree with @GSM500 above. My go to regulated setup is the Pulse 80W (20700 battery) squonker with Vapefly Galaxies MTL RDTA.

I Concur with @Andre, the Vapefly Galaxies MTL RDTA is a winner, here is mine on a Hotcig RSQ squonker, my daily driver at work and while driving. As far as I know (I stand corrected) the RSQ's board is sealed, so no spillage damage. Negatives on RSQ is sharp corners, so might not be comfortable to some, though it does'nt bother me.

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