Tonight's (9Dec) News

[Clouder]

Have you okes seen the news this evening??

There was an article about an ecig conference currently being held in Pretoria.

GET THIS - They say, that since 1994, smokers has halved in SA, BUT more teens are smoking now then ever before. They also say that, teens are MORE PRONE to start smoking after having a vape! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT! They say it will have an effect on teens, and after trying out vaping they MIGHT start smoking! HOW ridiculous is that!?

To be BRUTALLY honest, I started smoking well before I was in my teens and I've even heard the term "vape" or "e cigarette" until I was 33! So now what now?

BLAME Smoking on Vaping? Isn't it rather parental absenteeism?

They also said, that E-Cigarettes should rather be prescribed to smokers, who wants to try to quit smoking..

AGGGGG WHATEVER!

 

[Cespian]

Ever watch the animated movie "The Croods"? "Anything new is bad". The arguments I've had with people trying to shoot down vaping (especially those that make remarks without any substantiating evidence) really twists my nipples - I've even had a mini argument with my mom recently about this. Generally I try to calmly dismiss their misbelief. I've also smoked analogues for roughly 8 years prior to embarking on the vaping journey roughly 2 years ago.

 

[DaveH]

All you have to say is 'Show me the proof'. Don't just tell me - show me.

Dave

 

[Casper]

To be dead honest. I quit smoking for 7 years, and then vape once, I loved that feeling of the lung hit that I craved so much, that I actually went back to the fag.

 

[Kuhlkatz]

Not sure how 'they' can put figures on this 'stuff' 'they' call research, but many papers state that x percent of teens admitted to trying e-cigs and y percent of teens admitted to having tried stinkies, but 'they' forget the real facts. Without e-cigs anywhere in the picture, the same total percentage would likely have tried stinkies, or even worse stuff at some point in their lives.
'They' cannot with 100% certainty state that e-cigs leads to smoking, as 'they' have not actually done any research to confirm that. Instead 'they' just keep publishing this bullshit because somebody out there would read it and believe it. Please note that I use the term 'they' very loosely, as researchers normally base findings on facts only, which this bull is clearly not.

Personally I think 'they' should stop demonizing e-cigs and rather concentrate on how many teens are actually already binge drinking at the same age and / or using drugs regularly while attending some orgy friend's 'birthday party'.
#TiredOfThisShit much ?

 

[korn1]

How do teens get e cigz in the first place? They are not exactly cheap

 

[Cespian]

How do teens get e cigz in the first place? They are not exactly cheap

Some kids be privileged with allowances and stuff lol.
(Consider Titan Pro etc - under R500 for a kit, let alone the cheap s#1t from the Pakistani stores etc)

 

[Pixstar]

What I've found recently actually annoys me. At a funeral an old mate of mine saw me vaping outside and said I'm crazy, said that his mate vaped until he saw on the web that it's bad for you...he went back to smoking...I mean, how stupid and ignorant can you be?! Every single day I encounter this ignorance (and doffness). What can we do? I'm starting to lean towards avoiding vaping in public, to avoid the issues that just piss me off. The lies and inaccuracies about vaping has poisoned the industry, perhaps beyond 'repair'...?

 

[korn1]

Some kids be privileged with allowances and stuff lol.
(Consider Titan Pro etc - under R500 for a kit, let alone the cheap s#1t from the Pakistani stores etc)

I started smoking from stealing singles from my parents and then boxes, R16 was a lot in my day for box Though kids will be kids and find ways I was one.

 

[korn1]

What I've found recently actually annoys me. At a funeral an old mate of mine saw me vaping outside and said I'm crazy, said that his mate vaped until he saw on the web that it's bad for you...he went back to smoking...I mean, how stupid and ignorant can you be?! Every single day I encounter this ignorance (and doffness). What can we do? I'm starting to lean towards avoiding vaping in public, to avoid the issues that just piss me off. The lies and inaccuracies about vaping has poisoned the industry, perhaps beyond 'repair'...?

Oh tell me about it. A few articles on popular news platforms and people just believe it.

 

[Kuhlkatz]

How do teens get e cigz in the first place? They are not exactly cheap

You'll be surprised at how much money some parents actually give their kids as an 'allowance' to make up for the fact that the parents feel guilty about not spending some time with the kids in the first place. Kids are left back at home in a secure complex (so they can attend school) with tens of thousands of rands in cash or an account, while mom and dad takes a 'well deserved' break on an overseas holiday.

If I ever catch my kids smoking, I'll kick their arses first for being so stupid, and then I'll buy them e-cigs myself. Which is likely where their friends will want to take a puff at some point, and then admit to 'trying' a e-cig later on in some stoopid questionnaire.

 

[Drmzindec]

I introduces 2 people in my office to vaping at the beginning of the year (A month after is started vaping), and now there is 5 people in my office who quit smoking and started vaping. Only 3 of them have proper devices the other 2 have twisps (If it works and they aren't smoking then that's fine)

All of them say that they feel healthier, breath better and taste everything now.

I dont see how vaping is a bad thing! Its even become somewhat of a hobby for me and a friend.

 

[Silver]

Hi guys

The issue of vaping potentially being a gateway to smoking is one of the approaches the anti-vaping groups use to fight against vaping.

I can't recall where (@Alex, maybe you can help) but there have been studies already done that show that vaping has NOT led to mass smoking. It may still be early days, but the surveys that have been done have showed that.

On the issue of vaping being very bad for you (@Pixstar) - perhaps the best thing to quote to naysayers is that an independent expert review published by Public HealthCare England (PHE) concluded that vaping is about 95% safer than smoking. So its not perfectly safe but its WAY, WAY safer than smoking.

Here is the link to that:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...armful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

 

[Alex]

Hi guys

The issue of vaping potentially being a gateway to smoking is one of the approaches the anti-vaping groups use to fight against vaping.

I can't recall where (@Alex, maybe you can help) but there have been studies already done thet show that vaping has NOT led to mass smoking. It may still be early days, but the surveys that have been done have showed that.

On the issue of vaping being very bad for you (@Pixstar) - perhaps the best thing to quote to naysayers is that an independent expert review published by Public HealthCare England (PHE) concluded that vaping is about 95% safer than smoking. So its not perfectly safe but its WAY, WAY safer than smoking.

Here is the link to that:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...armful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

http://www.ecigssa.co.za/exposed-world-lung-foundation’s-bogus-claim-e-cigarettes-are-gateway-to-tobacco.t17267/

http://www.ecigssa.co.za/washington...ase-teen-smoking-and-help-big-tobacco.t16624/

http://www.ecigssa.co.za/banning-e-cigs-sales-to-minors-increase-smoking-rates.t16238/

 

[Silver]

http://www.ecigssa.co.za/exposed-world-lung-foundation’s-bogus-claim-e-cigarettes-are-gateway-to-tobacco.t17267/

Thank you sir!
Outstanding

 

[Alex]

No worries @Silver

 

[Alex_123]

All new things cause curiosity.
Vaping might have led to smoking for some teens. But in my opinion and many others, we can agree that it has put more people off smoking than on?

But because of media and confirmation bias, many people believe vaping is bad.
Therefore they label vaping as gateway to smoking.

The above logic is often used by people with no proof to support their argument. Not just regarding vaping but everything else.

Sad thing is, vapers and vaping communities suffer because of their illogical arguments...

 

[Viper_SA]

"They should ban coffee. Coffee leads to Red Bull, and Red Bull leads to other drugs. Ban the whole bloody lot!" Ozzy Osbourne. Seems most people have this view in life. Like you're doomed to pay for sex later in life if you wank in your teens.

 

[shaunnadan]

Have you okes seen the news this evening??

There was an article about an ecig conference currently being held in Pretoria.

GET THIS - They say, that since 1994, smokers has halved in SA, BUT more teens are smoking now then ever before. They also say that, teens are MORE PRONE to start smoking after having a vape! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT! They say it will have an effect on teens, and after trying out vaping they MIGHT start smoking! HOW ridiculous is that!?

To be BRUTALLY honest, I started smoking well before I was in my teens and I've even heard the term "vape" or "e cigarette" until I was 33! So now what now?

BLAME Smoking on Vaping? Isn't it rather parental absenteeism?

They also said, that E-Cigarettes should rather be prescribed to smokers, who wants to try to quit smoking..

AGGGGG WHATEVER!

E-cig conference in PTA ???

Are you guys thinking what I'm thinking ..... Time for a cloud chasing Vape meet !!!

 

[shaunnadan]

How do teens get e cigz in the first place? They are not exactly cheap

One of the admin ladies at my office came to see me this week. Her son (primary school) asked her to buy him a shisha stick. The disposable e cig that all of his friends are using.

He told his mother that is has no nicotine and was 100% safe, so she decided to come and see me for my opinion.

 

[stevie g]

If we don't like something we must not spend energy fighting it.
Rather support vaping by quietly converting as many smokers as you can.

I feel like a priest converting his flock lol. So far I have 5 confirmed converts they all still on the vape train but smoked cigarettes when I met them.

I'm always trying to being new people into the fold.

The best tactic I've found is have a tasty juice with low Nic like 1.5/2mg and a temperature control mod. I usually set it much lower that what I use it on.
Once they have a smooth tasty draw with no coughing I can literally see the gears working in their heads.

 

[korn1]

One of the admin ladies at my office came to see me this week. Her son (primary school) asked her to buy him a shisha stick. The disposable e cig that all of his friends are using.

He told his mother that is has no nicotine and was 100% safe, so she decided to come and see me for my opinion.

Ohhh I have seen them in the one bottle store by me. Seriously primary school ?

 

[shaunnadan]

What I've found recently actually annoys me. At a funeral an old mate of mine saw me vaping outside and said I'm crazy, said that his mate vaped until he saw on the web that it's bad for you...he went back to smoking...I mean, how stupid and ignorant can you be?! Every single day I encounter this ignorance (and doffness). What can we do? I'm starting to lean towards avoiding vaping in public, to avoid the issues that just piss me off. The lies and inaccuracies about vaping has poisoned the industry, perhaps beyond 'repair'...?

I had a girl this weekend piss on my batteries. She's a friend of the gf so I had to entertain her and some friends for supper.

I had to sit and endure her criticism in my own house on how harmful vaping is. According to her doctor it's better to smoke cigarettes and vaping has a lot of chemicals. So I asked for her doctors contact number but wasn't given anything.

I eventually decided that enough was enough and declared that my entire house and yard is a non-smoking zone and if you want to light up the please help yourself and f-off onto the roadside.

 

[shaunnadan]

I started smoking from stealing singles from my parents and then boxes, R16 was a lot in my day for box Though kids will be kids and find ways I was one.

Back in my day is was R15 for a pack of smokes and there was cheap smokes for r5 a pack!

 

[shaunnadan]

If we don't like something we must not spend energy fighting it.
Rather support vaping by quietly converting as many smokers as you can.

I feel like a priest converting his flock lol. So far I have 5 confirmed converts they all still on the vape train but smoked cigarettes when I met them.

I'm always trying to being new people into the fold.

The best tactic I've found is have a tasty juice with low Nic like 1.5/2mg and a temperature control mod. I usually set it much lower that what I use it on.
Once they have a smooth tasty draw with no coughing I can literally see the gears working in their heads.

I usually give them the ego one with a 1ohm coil that I carry around. The 100w builds are never going to convert people. #coughingfordays