Ooh that sounds gooood.
Since falling for dripping, I like 50/50 less and less. Easily remedied though, I cut them with unflavoured VG.
Ultimate RY4 E Liquid
- Thread starter UnholyMunk
- Start date
Ooh that sounds gooood.
Since falling for dripping, I like 50/50 less and less. Easily remedied though, I cut them with unflavoured VG.
Agreed! not a fan of 50/50 blends. Yes. That's a good point! Plus that way you get more bang for your buck
Love a good RY4! I see it like this - how do you test the quality of a good Italian Restaurant? Order the simple, straight forward, Spaghetti Bolognese. If that's great, move on to the more exotic once-off dishes.
My favourite without question (so far) is Tarks Old Gold. Its not sweet at all, and the caramel almost tastes salted. Tobacco vape, not a dessert vape. It has a slightly smoked taste too. Yet it tastes like sunshine - can't explain. I think it's the type of juice you'll either love as an ADV, or hate.
Also really liked Halo Tribeca, although higher in PG than I prefer, still managed to guzzle through almost 2 bottles in 2 weeks. Not too sweet which I like. Not too distinct either I guess. Just a good solid RY4.
Unfortunately, the famous VM4 just isn't for me - I was hoping that @Marzuq might swap something with me because I think he likes this one especially? Disappointed that I didn't enjoy it as much as some (but that disappointment turned into bliss when I tried @Oupa 's Peach Rooibos a few minutes later which is just crazy good and hasn't left my side in weeks - sorry, off topic)
Really keen to try Sunshine Cured which seems to be a fan favourite too. I'm def gonna watch this thread for a few other suggestions though!
My favourite without question (so far) is Tarks Old Gold. Its not sweet at all, and the caramel almost tastes salted. Tobacco vape, not a dessert vape. It has a slightly smoked taste too. Yet it tastes like sunshine - can't explain. I think it's the type of juice you'll either love as an ADV, or hate.
Also really liked Halo Tribeca, although higher in PG than I prefer, still managed to guzzle through almost 2 bottles in 2 weeks. Not too sweet which I like. Not too distinct either I guess. Just a good solid RY4.
Unfortunately, the famous VM4 just isn't for me - I was hoping that @Marzuq might swap something with me because I think he likes this one especially? Disappointed that I didn't enjoy it as much as some (but that disappointment turned into bliss when I tried @Oupa 's Peach Rooibos a few minutes later which is just crazy good and hasn't left my side in weeks - sorry, off topic)
Really keen to try Sunshine Cured which seems to be a fan favourite too. I'm def gonna watch this thread for a few other suggestions though!
On this journey myself, and it's turned me into a bit of a little whiny RY4 b!tchbag.
For the better RY4-type juices you'll come to realize:
1) Just like the original/classic, a RY4-type juice is and should be a type of blend consisting of tobacco + vanilla + caramel/butterscotch/toffee/custard/nutty/etc
2) RY4 is NOT, I repeat, NOT, RY4-concentrate + etc.
There is a HUGE difference between points 1 and 2. Most of SA RY4-type juices (excl. VM4) suffer from being variants of point 2 which is why they all taste so similar. They're not bad, but somethings still missing and that same "burnt caramel" gets annoying pronto, so you try the next, only to find it's essentially the same (with a little tweak here and there), but somethings STILL missing, so you try the next and so on and so on and so on. I think the makers should mention whether their RY4-type juices are tobacco based or RY4-concentrate based. It would save us consumers a lot of time and money.
Regarding VM4, initially, due to it's lack of a more noticeable tobacco, I never really rated VM4 as a proper "RY4". Awesome Caramel/Toffee, but not a RY4. However...that said, after a hugely delightful experience with Nicoticket's Absolut Creme Brulee( O..M..G!!!) I've come to realise that with the RY4-type liquids there's essentially 2 main profiles/viewpoints. The one being Tobacco+sweet where the tobacco is the star, and the other being Sweet+tobacco, where the sweet is the star and the tobacco is used to add a more rounded flavour to the sweet. VM4 and ACB falls in the latter and it works very well.
Compared to the variety and complexity of the imports, there just seems to be a distinct lack of distinct tobacco flavours that are used for local production.
The search for "the One" local tobacco+sweet RY4-type juice continues...
For the better RY4-type juices you'll come to realize:
1) Just like the original/classic, a RY4-type juice is and should be a type of blend consisting of tobacco + vanilla + caramel/butterscotch/toffee/custard/nutty/etc
2) RY4 is NOT, I repeat, NOT, RY4-concentrate + etc.
There is a HUGE difference between points 1 and 2. Most of SA RY4-type juices (excl. VM4) suffer from being variants of point 2 which is why they all taste so similar. They're not bad, but somethings still missing and that same "burnt caramel" gets annoying pronto, so you try the next, only to find it's essentially the same (with a little tweak here and there), but somethings STILL missing, so you try the next and so on and so on and so on. I think the makers should mention whether their RY4-type juices are tobacco based or RY4-concentrate based. It would save us consumers a lot of time and money.
Regarding VM4, initially, due to it's lack of a more noticeable tobacco, I never really rated VM4 as a proper "RY4". Awesome Caramel/Toffee, but not a RY4. However...that said, after a hugely delightful experience with Nicoticket's Absolut Creme Brulee( O..M..G!!!) I've come to realise that with the RY4-type liquids there's essentially 2 main profiles/viewpoints. The one being Tobacco+sweet where the tobacco is the star, and the other being Sweet+tobacco, where the sweet is the star and the tobacco is used to add a more rounded flavour to the sweet. VM4 and ACB falls in the latter and it works very well.
Compared to the variety and complexity of the imports, there just seems to be a distinct lack of distinct tobacco flavours that are used for local production.
The search for "the One" local tobacco+sweet RY4-type juice continues...
Thanks @huffnpuff that is super helpful. I didn't know about the type 1 & 2. I'm definitely in the camp looking for a tobacco based RY4 where tobacco is, by far, the star. Nothing wrong with dessert/sweet vapes, I'm just not looking for that in an RY4.On this journey myself, and it's turned me into a bit of a little whiny RY4 b!tchbag.
For the better RY4-type juices you'll come to realize:
1) Just like the original/classic, a RY4-type juice is and should be a type of blend consisting of tobacco + vanilla + caramel/butterscotch/toffee/custard/nutty/etc
2) RY4 is NOT, I repeat, NOT, RY4-concentrate + etc.
There is a HUGE difference between points 1 and 2. Most of SA RY4-type juices (excl. VM4) suffer from being variants of point 2 which is why they all taste so similar. They're not bad, but somethings still missing and that same "burnt caramel" gets annoying pronto, so you try the next, only to find it's essentially the same (with a little tweak here and there), but somethings STILL missing, so you try the next and so on and so on and so on. I think the makers should mention whether their RY4-type juices are tobacco based or RY4-concentrate based. It would save us consumers a lot of time and money.
Regarding VM4, initially, due to it's lack of a more noticeable tobacco, I never really rated VM4 as a proper "RY4". Awesome Caramel/Toffee, but not a RY4. However...that said, after a hugely delightful experience with Nicoticket's Absolut Creme Brulee( O..M..G!!!) I've come to realise that with the RY4-type liquids there's essentially 2 main profiles/viewpoints. The one being Tobacco+sweet where the tobacco is the star, and the other being Sweet+tobacco, where the sweet is the star and the tobacco is used to add a more rounded flavour to the sweet. VM4 and ACB falls in the latter and it works very well.
Compared to the variety and complexity of the imports, there just seems to be a distinct lack of distinct tobacco flavours that are used for local production.
The search for "the One" local tobacco+sweet RY4-type juice continues...
BTW @huffnpuff - what is/are your favourite RY4's where tobacco is the primary base?
Same,
PS: Forgot to mention in my mini-rant, that basically RY4-concentrates just don't deliver on any sort of distinct tobacco that's usually the first word in their descriptions.
Currently, for ADV, depending on what I feel like:
- H1N1 + Any AV tobacco flavoured juice, especially Boba's
- H1N1 + Hurricane Belgium simmered tobacco
- AV Griphons Breath
- H1N1 + VG
Last edited:
Maybe give Manabush Powwow Sauce a bash. To me it has the right amount of tobacco. Read up on Planet of the Vapes forum.....there is a huge following on Manabush.On this journey myself, and it's turned me into a bit of a little whiny RY4 b!tchbag.
For the better RY4-type juices you'll come to realize:
1) Just like the original/classic, a RY4-type juice is and should be a type of blend consisting of tobacco + vanilla + caramel/butterscotch/toffee/custard/nutty/etc
2) RY4 is NOT, I repeat, NOT, RY4-concentrate + etc.
There is a HUGE difference between points 1 and 2. Most of SA RY4-type juices (excl. VM4) suffer from being variants of point 2 which is why they all taste so similar. They're not bad, but somethings still missing and that same "burnt caramel" gets annoying pronto, so you try the next, only to find it's essentially the same (with a little tweak here and there), but somethings STILL missing, so you try the next and so on and so on and so on. I think the makers should mention whether their RY4-type juices are tobacco based or RY4-concentrate based. It would save us consumers a lot of time and money.
Regarding VM4, initially, due to it's lack of a more noticeable tobacco, I never really rated VM4 as a proper "RY4". Awesome Caramel/Toffee, but not a RY4. However...that said, after a hugely delightful experience with Nicoticket's Absolut Creme Brulee( O..M..G!!!) I've come to realise that with the RY4-type liquids there's essentially 2 main profiles/viewpoints. The one being Tobacco+sweet where the tobacco is the star, and the other being Sweet+tobacco, where the sweet is the star and the tobacco is used to add a more rounded flavour to the sweet. VM4 and ACB falls in the latter and it works very well.
Compared to the variety and complexity of the imports, there just seems to be a distinct lack of distinct tobacco flavours that are used for local production.
The search for "the One" local tobacco+sweet RY4-type juice continues...
Ahh ...the mythical RY4! As I understand it RY4 was originally a Dekang liquid, recipe now lost, with the 4 noting the amount of caramel flavouring added to the recipe. Maybe the first e-liquid to add lots of sweetness and from there its fame, but that's just speculation from my side. RY4 Asian from Sky Blue is my favourite, dry as the dessert!
Google it, lots of delicious folk lore around this one.
Google it, lots of delicious folk lore around this one.
Agree, RY4 is dead! Long live RY4!
That's why I prefer the term RY4-type, as to the main philosophy/components it originally consisted of, as opposed to a single concentrate.
Ummm....my favourite is my own mix. Actually I have many variations. And many variations still to come. Only one of them uses RY4 concentrate of which I have found for some strange reason Hangsen RY4 concentrate to be the best. Not available locally though and more expensive than the others. Actually other than the TFA RY4 Asian and double the rest of my tobacco flavours is not available locally. Painful at the best of times but oh so worth it. I am not a fan of DK tobacco or tobacco absolute. Also TFA RY4 Asian has a floral note that puts me off. I must be one of the few that hate the taste of Bobas.
I think another reason why the ultimate RY4 is so elusive, is that tobacco as a flavour is HIGHLY subjective. I have yet to find a tobacco juice that hits the nail on the head, so I just enjoy them as tobacco-"inspired" flavours. Sort of like when meat eaters become vegetarians, they will spice their veggies with meat spice and rationalize that it tastes the same.
.
I think another reason why the ultimate RY4 is so elusive, is that tobacco as a flavour is HIGHLY subjective. I have yet to find a tobacco juice that hits the nail on the head, so I just enjoy them as tobacco-"inspired" flavours. Sort of like when meat eaters become vegetarians, they will spice their veggies with meat spice and rationalize that it tastes the same
LOL....agreed. None of the "tobacco" flavours taste like actual tobacco.. To me in some cases they taste better.
Fully agree on the this. It's not just you, AV tobacco's are weird and an acquired taste. Boba's/Gorilla and Blend 4 made me physically ill when I first tried them. I kid you not! It was like WTF is this sh#t!! Then retried them later and suddenly they were yummy and became even better with H1N1. And now it's the opposite for me with RY4 Asian/double, nice and tolerable in the beginning, but now I cringe and have to muscle through them. The burnt caramel/floral really destroys the experience and not nice at all.
Last edited:
Hi All,
So with my search for the Ultimate Vanilla Custard almost over (order pending payday)
So far I have only tried the Halo Tribecca and Craft vapour Artisan RY4. I have also just received a bottle of Vapor Mountain VM4 which a friend ordered on my behalf, so I'm rearing to try that, but I thought I'd follow the advice of fellow forum members and let it steep for 3 or 4 weeks before I give it a go...
So, while I wait for my VM4 to steep, let's get the discussion going, who makes your favourite RY4 flavour?
For me, the locally made Artisan RY4 blows the socks of the Halo Tribecca, but my vaping buddy says otherwise.
Your thoughts?
The best I've had is Tark's Select Reserve Old Gold. I's not too sweet and has a great tobacco aftertaste. Love it!
+1 on the AV jooses....and I have tried a few times.
Unfortunately (or fortunately
) it does get better the longer you steep it, but I am far too impatient. I would say 2 weeks is more than good enough to enjoy, but it will continue improving.Of course we can do that for you. Just put your request in the comments field when checking out on the website.
RY4 was actually first made by the company who made the first ecig, RUYAN... There were originally 4 different blends RY1, RY2, RY3 and our beloved RY4. The RY being an abbreviation for RUYAN. RY4 was the most popular by a mile and had the most caramel/sweet notes of the 4 .... RY4 recipes/clones/variants today have very little in common with the original RY4
So when someone is searching for a variant that has the tobacco shining more than the caramel/sweetness, it would technically be closer to the original RY1 and RY2 maybe? And therefore our VM4 should actually be VM3
But what company will name their juice after one of the less popular variants 
So today they are mostly classified under RY4 type juices.
Unfortunately (or fortunately
Damn! I was hoping you were going to say it was ready to go after 3 days
Similar threads
