Vape vs Hubbly

[MikeVape]

Ok so I have been dabbling with both for a while now.
And I do love vaping and I only have 0mg.
But I keep making a hubbly every night and find myself being satisfied.

Now I come to realize I am lacking the small amount of nicotine from the hubbly.

So my question is what is a comparison amount of nicotine a hubbly produces?
I have read it's about 0.5mg to 1mg now most of the juices out there come in 3,6,12 MG.

So is my best bet to buy nic and add per bottle and make my own 0.5 / 1 MG?

Advice would be great thanks.

 

[Gizmo]

Just so you aware Hubbly has far more nicotine then a cigarette.

MYTH #4: Smoking a hookah is not as addictive as smoking a cigarette because there is no nicotine. TRUTH #4: Just like regular tobacco,shisha contains nicotine. In fact, in a 60-minute Hookah session, smokers are exposed to 100 to 200 times the volume of smoke inhaled from a single cigarette.

You need nicotine thats why you dont find it satisfying. Atleast 6MG my 2 cents.

 

[Andre]

That sounds like a good solution to me.

Some vendors will do a customised mix for you too. I know Vapour Mountain does - just specify your requirements in the note facility on checkout.

 

[MikeVape]

Just so you aware Hubbly has far more nicotine then a cigarette.

MYTH #4: Smoking a hookah is not as addictive as smoking a cigarette because there is no nicotine. TRUTH #4: Just like regular tobacco,shisha contains nicotine. In fact, in a 60-minute Hookah session, smokers are exposed to 100 to 200 times the volume of smoke inhaled from a single cigarette.

You need nicotine thats why you dont find it satisfying. Atleast 6MG my 2 cents.

I totally understand, but per puff it's lower.
I have tried 3 /6 MG at Vape Cartel and it hits me hard in my throat.

Where as a hubbly does not.

 

[Gizmo]

Take a look at this.

 

[MikeVape]

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[Waine]

I know folks who have got sick on hubblies. I've seen them vomit from over doing it. I am a heavy vaper. Was a heavy ex smoker until 21 days ago. Never gotten ill from vaping. Almost, but never. I find vaping 6mg nicotine very satisfying. In my Twisp Aero I pump 18mg nicotine clouds when I hit a stress patch at work. No probs whatsoever. I agree, drop the O mg and start on 3 mg. Try to leave the hubbly. Sucking burning charcoal on tinfoil cannot be that good.

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[MikeVape]

I know folks who have got sick on hubblies. I've seen them vomit from over doing it. I am a heavy vaper. Was a heavy ex smoker until 21 days ago. Never gotten ill from vaping. Almost, but never. I find vaping 6mg nicotine very satisfying. In my Twisp Aero I pump 18mg nicotine clouds when I hit a stress patch at work. No probs whatsoever. I agree, drop the O mg and start on 3 mg. Try to leave the hubbly. Sucking burning charcoal on tinfoil cannot be that good.

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I agree it's not good.
I am up to 6 pots a day last year.
Dropped to 2 pots now.

So I have seen a massive drop.

 

[Clouds4Days]

Hey peeps,
I'm not much of a shisha smoker. I do agree on some of those myths and truths facts. But I still think some are made up and/or exaggerated.
The people that make those banners are the same people that say vaping is worse than smoking.
At end of day I think each smoking device has its pros and cons, ultimately the choice is yours.
I must say personally i see vaping as the safest form of creating clouds while getting the best flavours than any other device. Vape on...

 

[BumbleBee]

 

[MikeVape]

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Well if that is true then I need a he'll of a lot of nicotine..

But 3mg is too strong for me...

 

[Alex]

http://www.mindthesciencegap.org/2012/10/19/up-in-smoke-the-myth-of-the-healthy-hookah/

 

[Andre]

I agree it's not good.
I am up to 6 pots a day last year.
Dropped to 2 pots now.

So I have seen a massive drop.

Great stuff. You are getting there. Take your own time, do not feel guilty. As with stinky sticks some peeps need more time than others.

 

[BumbleBee]

Well if that is true then I need a he'll of a lot of nicotine..

But 3mg is too strong for me...

As suggested earlier, ask a few of your favourite local juice makers if they would mix up some 1 or 1.5mg juice, alternatively you can get 0 and 3 and mix them to your liking.

 

[MikeVape]

Great stuff. You are getting there. Take your own time, do not feel guilty. As with stinky sticks some peeps need more time than others.

Yeah I am trying.
But the need for nicotine is kicking me.

So I think I need to mix a 1mg and see...

 

[MikeVape]

As suggested earlier, ask a few of your favourite local juice makers if they would mix up some 1 or 1.5mg juice, alternatively you can get 0 and 3 and mix them to your liking.

I am thinking that's what I need to do.
When I pop past @KieranD will try a mix.

 

[Cruzz_33]

How's it @MikeVape I used to be a heavy hookah fan smoking at least 2 heads a day on my MK. Now I've been on vaping for 1 and a bit years and haven't smoked a hub since. Even the smell of a hub now makes me sick. So onto the topic of nicotine hitting your throat hard. When I started vaping I started on 0 and then one day decided to try a 3mg and man was it kak. So kak I wanted to stop vaping .... but I stuck with it and after two bottles I actually started to get used to it and now I hardly feel the throat hit from it. Just as reference I've offered 3mg vape to many of my hookah smoking friends and they 100% of the times take one pull cough there lungs out and then don't want more.

 

[MikeVape]

How's it @MikeVape I used to be a heavy hookah fan smoking at least 2 heads a day on my MK. Now I've been on vaping for 1 and a bit years and haven't smoked a hub since. Even the smell of a hub now makes me sick. So onto the topic of nicotine hitting your throat hard. When I started vaping I started on 0 and then one day decided to try a 3mg and man was it kak. So kak I wanted to stop vaping .... but I stuck with it and after two bottles I actually started to get used to it and now I hardly feel the throat hit from it. Just as reference I've offered 3mg vape to many of my hookah smoking friends and they 100% of the times take one pull cough there lungs out and then don't want more.

Exactly how I feel.
Well let me try this and see how it goes.
Great thanks.

 

[Cruzz_33]

Also I should add I was never a smoker. I'm very fit and healthy now! Where as when I was smoking hookah I could feel it in my lungs terribly

 

[Cruzz_33]

@mikevapes let me know how it goes man! As I need to get a few friends off hub but like you say you need the nicotine. My one friend went through the exact same procedure as me and now he's off hub and even if he has a vape flavour that taste anything like hub he doesn't enjoy it at all. The first bottles are gonna be tough but from my experience it was well worth it.

 

[MikeVape]

Also I should add I was never a smoker. I'm very fit and healthy now! Where as when I was smoking hookah I could feel it in my lungs terribly

I have also never smoked.
Only hubbly.
I cycle a lot and don't feel it.

 

[MikeVape]

@mikevapes let me know how it goes man! As I need to get a few friends off hub but like you say you need the nicotine. My one friend went through the exact same procedure as me and now he's off hub and even if he has a vape flavour that taste anything like hub he doesn't enjoy it at all. The first bottles are gonna be tough but from my experience it was well worth it.

Going to definitely try.

 

[Cruzz_33]

@MikeVape sorry I also forgot to mention. Try out Mikes mega mixes Dragons juice it kinda reminds me of my hub days.

 

[Ezekiel]

Just so you aware Hubbly has far more nicotine then a cigarette.

MYTH #4: Smoking a hookah is not as addictive as smoking a cigarette because there is no nicotine. TRUTH #4: Just like regular tobacco,shisha contains nicotine. In fact, in a 60-minute Hookah session, smokers are exposed to 100 to 200 times the volume of smoke inhaled from a single cigarette.

You need nicotine thats why you dont find it satisfying. Atleast 6MG my 2 cents.

Mm.... just as vaping gets a lot of bad press, horribly unscientific studies and general heresy as opposed to objective facts, shisha/hubbly gets more.

So to set matters right, no, hubbly does not have "far more nicotine than a cigarette." Not by mass in the raw material, and considerably less in the final, inhaled product. Most of the "studies" done were done in very much the same, incoherent and biased manner as we are seeing studies for vaping, and while many of them have been debunked, most of the quotes (such as yours - no offense intended, I see it all the time) keep flying around without regard for the context or proof of the original study.

I've actually read a peer-reviewed study where they dry-burned the molasses/tobacco mixture used in shisha (no coal, no foil, no water - literally just set it alight) and argued that whatever they analysed is what hubbly-smokers inhale. In a vaping context, that is like dry burning cotton and claiming all vapers inhale burnt organic cotton directly to their lungs. There was also the issue of "water on the lungs" from hubbly - no, you cannot physically get water bubbles on your lungs from inhaling gaseous particles bubbled through water. Again, in vaping context, compare this to the "popcorn lung" issue. And every time I hear the "smoking 45 minutes hookah as compared to 5 minutes cigarette" BS argument - seriously, how does that work? Physically? Are you actually creating new matter whilst smoking? Regardless of concentration, it is impossible to go beyond the actual, total amount of nicotine in a bowl of shisha.

To give you some personal, empirical validation: I was a two to five head hookah smoker a day (round about one pack of coals, or average 3 hours smoking). Thats a crap load. When I moved over to vaping (and now 6 months without hookah whatsoever) I very quickly dropped down to 1.5 mg/ml - I just couldn't take much higher, and this was MTL, before I started sub-ohming. In time, I have actually moved up to 3 mg/ml (increasing my nic content from when I was smoking hubbly), but I still DIY between 1.5 to 2.5 mg/ml. And finally, since I've started vaping, I've more often noticed nicotine overdose from vaping than when I was smoking hubbly.

Now - vaping is still a gazillion times better than hubbly. I don't get carbon monoxide overdose anymore (which used to give me massive headaches, known as a "hookah hangover"). My entire house and person doesn't smell like mouldy peaches any more. I don't inhale all the other horrid chemicals, or old hubbly water any more. I really love vaping - it is a massive improvement from smoking hookah.

But please, for the sake of the objectivity we as vapers ask from our peers, don't just repeat whatever you heard verbatim. I know you meant well, and I really don't want to offend - I just get a little bit upset when I see ridiculous statements from the uninformed (as we get everyday from non-vapers regarding all the "health-risks" of vaping).

For any hubbly smokers moving to vaping - start at loooow nic levels (but don't do 0, or you will relapse), and drink much, much more water than normal - you are used to smoke almost hydrating you, whereas vape has the opposite effect!

 

[MikeVape]

@MikeVape sorry I also forgot to mention. Try out Mikes mega mixes Dragons juice it kinda reminds me of my hub days.

Will go have a look...
Shot for the help