Vape vs Hubbly

[MikeVape]

Yea man se how it goes.

Personally i dont craving for hub, maybe its a mental battle u need to overcome

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Mentally I enjoy the whole chilling with a hub.
So I am sure it's mental and nic...

 

[Alex]

Mm.... just as vaping gets a lot of bad press, horribly unscientific studies and general heresy as opposed to objective facts, shisha/hubbly gets more.

So to set matters right, no, hubbly does not have "far more nicotine than a cigarette." Not by mass in the raw material, and considerably less in the final, inhaled product. Most of the "studies" done were done in very much the same, incoherent and biased manner as we are seeing studies for vaping, and while many of them have been debunked, most of the quotes (such as yours - no offense intended, I see it all the time) keep flying around without regard for the context or proof of the original study.

I've actually read a peer-reviewed study where they dry-burned the molasses/tobacco mixture used in shisha (no coal, no foil, no water - literally just set it alight) and argued that whatever they analysed is what hubbly-smokers inhale. In a vaping context, that is like dry burning cotton and claiming all vapers inhale burnt organic cotton directly to their lungs. There was also the issue of "water on the lungs" from hubbly - no, you cannot physically get water bubbles on your lungs from inhaling gaseous particles bubbled through water. Again, in vaping context, compare this to the "popcorn lung" issue. And every time I hear the "smoking 45 minutes hookah as compared to 5 minutes cigarette" BS argument - seriously, how does that work? Physically? Are you actually creating new matter whilst smoking? Regardless of concentration, it is impossible to go beyond the actual, total amount of nicotine in a bowl of shisha.

To give you some personal, empirical validation: I was a two to five head hookah smoker a day (round about one pack of coals, or average 3 hours smoking). Thats a crap load. When I moved over to vaping (and now 6 months without hookah whatsoever) I very quickly dropped down to 1.5 mg/ml - I just couldn't take much higher, and this was MTL, before I started sub-ohming. In time, I have actually moved up to 3 mg/ml (increasing my nic content from when I was smoking hubbly), but I still DIY between 1.5 to 2.5 mg/ml. And finally, since I've started vaping, I've more often noticed nicotine overdose from vaping than when I was smoking hubbly.

Now - vaping is still a gazillion times better than hubbly. I don't get carbon monoxide overdose anymore (which used to give me massive headaches, known as a "hookah hangover"). My entire house and person doesn't smell like mouldy peaches any more. I don't inhale all the other horrid chemicals, or old hubbly water any more. I really love vaping - it is a massive improvement from smoking hookah.

But please, for the sake of the objectivity we as vapers ask from our peers, don't just repeat whatever you heard verbatim. I know you meant well, and I really don't want to offend - I just get a little bit upset when I see ridiculous statements from the uninformed (as we get everyday from non-vapers regarding all the "health-risks" of vaping).

For any hubbly smokers moving to vaping - start at loooow nic levels (but don't do 0, or you will relapse), and drink much, much more water than normal - you are used to smoke almost hydrating you, whereas vape has the opposite effect!

Thanks for this good input on the topic, I am well aware of how distorted the truth is regarding e-cigs. I would imagine the same applies to the "hookah", so it's important to question and objectively evaluate anything the media/etc puts out there as "fact".

 

[OreO]

@Alex

Yea i agree. In my group of friends on a weekend we can smoke almost 30 hookahs, bearing in mind a hookah vole last roughly 45-60 min.
I have done research on the matter and the actual flavour isnt the problem its the coal.
All the new coals are called "quick lites" and in order to achieve said "quick lite" they are pumped full of aggresively combustible chemicals such as phosphorus. And although this is there to get the coal goimg and it eventually burns off i am sure that there is still some of this residual chemical left over which one will then inhale.
Another con to the coal is the freaded "hubbly headache". This headache borders on the migrain territory. This headache is caused by mild carbon monoxide poisoning as a result of the carbon monoxide released from the coal.
From personal experience i can say to date i have not recieved a headache from vaping so already a huuuuge plus for me.

Sorry for the rambling on just thought id share additional info.

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[MikeVape]

@Alex

Yea i agree. In my group of friends on a weekend we can smoke almost 30 hookahs, bearing in mind a hookah vole last roughly 45-60 min.
I have done research on the matter and the actual flavour isnt the problem its the coal.
All the new coals are called "quick lites" and in order to achieve said "quick lite" they are pumped full of aggresively combustible chemicals such as phosphorus. And although this is there to get the coal goimg and it eventually burns off i am sure that there is still some of this residual chemical left over which one will then inhale.
Another con to the coal is the freaded "hubbly headache". This headache borders on the migrain territory. This headache is caused by mild carbon monoxide poisoning as a result of the carbon monoxide released from the coal.
From personal experience i can say to date i have not recieved a headache from vaping so already a huuuuge plus for me.

Sorry for the rambling on just thought id share additional info.

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Yeah the coal is bad.
That's why I use natural coconut husks. They take 20 min to cook before u can smoke.

 

[Waine]

Another thing I don't like about a hubbly is the sugars (casing) they add to the tobacco. Burning sugar....can't be good. I won't touch one again. Vaping is pure Magic.

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[MikeVape]

Another thing I don't like about a hubbly is the sugars (casing) they add to the tobacco. Burning sugar....can't be good. I won't touch one again. Vaping is pure Magic.

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I am sure it is.
It is bad and so are stinkies.
That's y I want to Vape more hub less

 

[Andre]

Great thread you started @MikeVape. I have learnt a lot. Thanks to everyone who has contributed.

 

[MikeVape]

Great thread you started @MikeVape. I have learnt a lot. Thanks to everyone who has contributed.

@Andre it's a pleasure. Something I have been wondering about a long time.

 

[Waine]

Just remember. I'm not judgemental. Perhaps opinionated. ...

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[MikeVape]

Just remember. I'm not judgemental. Perhaps opinionated. ...

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No problem bud