Vote in the News24 poll on Vaping taxation

Taxation on its own is not the solution.
Pretty sure that sin taxes are there in part to lighten the fiscal burden on the health system due to said 'sins'.

As much as vaping may be the lesser of two evils when compared to traditional/ analogue smoking, surely there are still way too many unknowns and not enough positive or negative trials (either for or against the use of vaping as a nicotine replacement mechanism) for a totally informed and final decision to be made.

I don't disagree with the fact that my chest feels better as a vaper than when I was a smoker, but does anyone know conclusively yet whether us or our kids will start glowing in the dark in 30 years as a result of inhaling vapour?).

What's the average (individual genetics aside) durations for onset of emphysema / lung cancer / throat cancer / cardiac disease in smokers ?
Has a big enough/ significant sample size been vaping for long enough to validate that these side effects will not prevail at some point as well ?

If taxing brings regulations (and funding towards the enforcement of such) then it's not all such a bad thing. Regulation and enforcement should involve and bring about safety approval, regulation and enforcement of underage usage, stringent lab testing and product certification, involvement of competition authorities who will ensure fair playing fields to the benefit on the consumer (all these things have to be funded from somewhere).
 
Cant find the poll to vote
But thanks for posting this @Stroodlepuff

@Jean claude Vaaldamme - you say tax vaping - that's cool
I am not disagreeing with that

But I think it is wrong to tax it to the same extent as cigarettes. I think it should be taxed less than smoking because research thus far points towards vaping being less harmful than smoking.

If they overtax vaping, I think a good opportunity to get many to switch to vaping might be less successful over the longer run. Smoking related illness costs the government a lot in hospitalisation etc. So I think the more people switch to vaping - it will be better for government over the longer term. I think the holistic picture over the longer term needs to be analysed very carefully here. No harm in taxing it lightly to start and review the situation in a few years time as more research is done. But that's just my view.
 
Silver said:
Cant find the poll to vote
But thanks for posting this @Stroodlepuff

@Jean claude Vaaldamme - you say tax vaping - that's cool
I am not disagreeing with that

But I think it is wrong to tax it to the same extent as cigarettes. I think it should be taxed less than smoking because research thus far points towards vaping being less harmful than smoking.

If they overtax vaping, I think a good opportunity to get many to switch to vaping might be less successful over the longer run. Smoking related illness costs the government a lot in hospitalisation etc. So I think the more people switch to vaping - it will be better for government over the longer term. I think the holistic picture over the longer term needs to be analysed very carefully here. No harm in taxing it lightly to start and review the situation in a few years time as more research is done. But that's just my view.
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Yes I havent seen any figures of what and how much will be taxed. I just see people protesting, no one try to find middle ground. But thats why everything is so up to sh!t in the country. Everyine just wants everything as he wants it, no compromise, no middle ground.
But as they say in Afrikaans, As jy nie wil luister nie, moet jy maar voel.
 
I think people will always support taxation on something that doesn't affect them, on the basis that it reduces/eliminates taxation on things that do affect them. The poll is really just confirmation that only a small percentage of the public vape, which we knew anyway.
 
Come to think of it - taxation is not the big issue for us - being able to vape and to have easy access to vaping is most important. They (over) taxed me when I was a smoker and although I didn't like it, I could smoke - so I paid my taxes. I don't think most people consider giving up smoking due to the high taxes. Look at Australia - cigarettes are hugely expensive (I paid nearly R400 for a pack of 30's), but people are still smoking and the reduction in number of smokers has halted and turned around into a growing number of smokers again. So in my mind the tax issue is a pawn we can afford to loose


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RenaldoRheeder said:
Come to think of it - taxation is not the big issue for us - being able to vape and to have easy access to vaping is most important. They (over) taxed me when I was a smoker and although I didn't like it, I could smoke - so I paid my taxes. I don't think most people consider giving up smoking due to the high taxes. Look at Australia - cigarettes are hugely expensive (I paid nearly R400 for a pack of 30's), but people are still smoking and the reduction in number of smokers has halted and turned around into a growing number of smokers again. So in my mind the tax issue is a pawn we can afford to loose


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I am not against taxing it either. I just think it should not be taxed in the same way as cigarettes because then it is immediately seen as the same and could influence the legislation. They are in the early stages of bringing in new laws with regard to cigarettes that is based on laws in the UK and Australia for example. This will have cigarettes in packaging that only has the brand name on it with no other graphics. It will also mean that cigarettes will have to be behind doors in shops nothing on display. No special deals. No testing. If these same laws are applied to vaping it will be disastrous. How will you be able to test a device before you purchase it? No tasting of eliquid either.
 
Elmien said:
I am not against taxing it either. I just think it should not be taxed in the same way as cigarettes because then it is imediately seen as the same and could influence the legislation. They are in the early stages of bringing in new laws with regard to cigarettes that is based on laws in the UK and Australia for example. This will have cigarettes in packaging that only has the brand name on it with no other graphics. It will also mean that cigarettes will have to be behind doors in shops nothing on display. No special deals. No testing. If these same laws are applied to vaping it will be disastrous. How will you be able to test a device before you purchase it? No tasting of eliquid either.
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@Elmien Then we vapers will belatedly realise how fortunate we have been.
Can a smoker test different cigarettes before deciding which brand to buy?
 
Hooked said:
@Elmien Then we vapers will belatedly realise how fortunate we have been.
Can a smoker test different cigarettes before deciding which brand to buy?
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We are fortunate indeed. I just think not being able to see, feel or taste anything before you get into vaping will make it so much harder to do. Experienced vapers know what they want from a device and know which brands or flavours they like when it comes to liquid. Having to fork out R400+ just for a device that you know nothing about and can't even hold in your hand will be very off-putting. When you buy a pack of cigarettes you don't like for R20 - R30 you won't be as disappointed as spending hundreds on a device and liquid that doesn't work for you.
 
Elmien said:
We are fortunate indeed. I just think not being able to see, feel or taste anything before you get into vaping will make it so much harder to do. Experienced vapers know what they want from a device and know which brands or flavours they like when it comes to liquid. Having to fork out R400+ just for a device that you know nothing about and can't even hold in your hand will be very off-putting. When you buy a pack of cigarettes you don't like for R20 - R30 you won't be as disappointed as spending hundreds on a device and liquid that doesn't work for you.
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However, and now I'm contradicting myself :-D:-D:-D I buy everything online. I've been fairly lucky with mods; juice ... not so much ;(.
 
Hooked said:
However, and now I'm contradicting myself :-D:-D:-D I buy everything online. I've been fairly lucky with mods; juice ... not so much ;(.
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The juice can be tricky. Just because it is a flavour you like does not mean the juice will be good.
 
Elmien said:
All these articles with the "might be", "could be", "we don't really know", "it is too early to say".:notagain: Get your facts together before you publish something.
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Cant the same then be said about all the vapers claims that vaping is so harmless? Do we really know? Have enough tests been done? If its so harmless surely most countries governments would embrace it?
 
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