Weekly Poll: If Government Banned Nicotine In Eliquid

[devdev]

The recent email sent to retailers on the forum sets the background for this particular poll.

Let's assume that the government decided it was going to enforce the Medicines and Controlled Substances legislation and decided to penalise those in the unlawful possession of eliquid containing nicotine, without a valid prescription.

(I am posting a poll once a week, so this provides enough time for members to see it, and to collect results)

 

[shabbar]

Quit vaping ? Whaaaat , hell no

 

[zaVaper]

I would source nic by any means and petition and be generally miffed about it.

 

[devdev]

appreciate the feedback guys, but can you select an option in the poll as well

 

[shabbar]

Theres always the electric cabbage atty ??

 

[shabbar]

Will not vote option AnC

 

[ET]

it's also not that hard to grow tobacco locally btw

 

[Silver]

Good poll @devdev

I think its not so easy to just stop nicotine, so i think either people will go back to stinkies if they cant get hold of ejuice or they will get it from those retailers taking a chance.

On the issue of a prescription, who would prescribe such a prescription? The doctor? And then i assume they would require cigarettes also to have a prescription?

 

[Tom]

This would just be plain stupid. The government cant control dagga, one can get it from any street corner or petrol attendant.... how do they want to regulate something so minor as nicotine???

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[BhavZ]

Good poll @devdev

I think its not so easy to just stop nicotine, so i think either people will go back to stinkies if they cant get hold of ejuice or they will get it from those retailers taking a chance.

On the issue of a prescription, who would prescribe such a prescription? The doctor? And then i assume they would require cigarettes also to have a prescription?

Cigarettes are regulated, the issue is around freely available nicotine and their attempt to regulate it.

If a substance can be regulated, it can be taxed. And as we all know, GVT wants tax. To regulate something like nicotine it wouldn't just be a quick law impose, it would have to go through the UN and WHO as we are members of both and medical substances cannot be restricted if it can aid a better quality of life, it infringes upon our rights to life and quality of life.

Secondly, if liquid nicotine is to be regulated it would regulated to the same standard as that of cigarettes, so anything above the strongest pack of cigarettes would be regulated, anything below that would not be. The argument also boils down to purpose, if it is for the sole reason of quitting smoking then the medical industry can be involved, but if it is marketed as an alternative to smoking, i.e. a different type of indulgence then commercial aspect of the law would come into play and not the medical industry.

 

[Gazzacpt]

appreciate the feedback guys, but can you select an option in the poll as well

Sir the poll does not show on tapatalk, or am I being doff?

 

[devdev]

Hi Gazza, it doesn't unfortunately

 

[Gazzacpt]

Hi Gazza, it doesn't unfortunately

In the spirit of this thread its time to petition Tapatalk

 

[Andre]

Cigarettes are regulated, the issue is around freely available nicotine and their attempt to regulate it.

If a substance can be regulated, it can be taxed. And as we all know, GVT wants tax. To regulate something like nicotine it wouldn't just be a quick law impose, it would have to go through the UN and WHO as we are members of both and medical substances cannot be restricted if it can aid a better quality of life, it infringes upon our rights to life and quality of life.

Secondly, if liquid nicotine is to be regulated it would regulated to the same standard as that of cigarettes, so anything above the strongest pack of cigarettes would be regulated, anything below that would not be. The argument also boils down to purpose, if it is for the sole reason of quitting smoking then the medical industry can be involved, but if it is marketed as an alternative to smoking, i.e. a different type of indulgence then commercial aspect of the law would come into play and not the medical industry.

Nicotine is already a regulated substance in South Africa, the regulation is just not applied consistently if at all. Both the UN and WHO are advisory bodies - our Government certainly do not need their permission to legislate.

 

[devdev]

Yes @Matthee is correct. As things stand the Medicines Control Council has declared nicotine to be a controlled substance meaning it needs to have been dispensed to you by a chemist, under a doctor's prescription.

Purchase, sale, manufacture or possession of any substance containing levels of nicotine beyond trace or naturally occurring amounts is unlawful according to the legislation. I think that the purpose of this banning is probably related to the highly addictive nature of nicotine and the need to ensure that it is regulated, monitored and controlled.

Obviously with regular Tobacco things become a bit more complicated, but since this is governed by a different set of legislation (viewable here) it is not right to say that the law as it relates to eliquid (or nicotine containing substances) is the same law that applies to tobacco products.

The Vaping industry in SA seems to be forming some form of organisation to address this situation. Check out this thread if you are interested: http://www.ecigssa.co.za/threads/vendors-i-think-this-ones-for-all-of-us.1642/page-2#post-37809

 

[Chop007]

I would go absolutely BOSS, I would make certain that life became very uncomfortable for those involved in banning a substance found in everything, including fruit. Everyone has secrets and if those secrets are revealed it could make their political, doctoral etc, careers, very short indeed. There are many ways to skin a cat.

There are flippen Nigerian drug dealers living up the road from me, poisoning our youth with TIK and other nonsense. There are ministers in government building huge mansions on our hard earned buck. There are pharmaceutical companies pushing anti-depression medications are cures to stinky sucking, while some work, the negative side effects are actually far worse than smoking, but they push it because it is big bucks. I would certainly go underground and become stealth. Guy Fawkes would have nothing on me. Take away my freedom to vape, and I will reply with deadly force. It is not just the fact they take it away that bothers me, it is the whole underhanded, unscientific basis on which they do it, and the greed involved that really pees me off. This would be the cherry on top of the cake for me, just the thing to push me over the edge.

For long enough I have seen children starve in the informal settlements, people crapping in buckets and living in tin shacks while eating the waste of a greedy society. And now they will take our freedom to vape, an innocent, effective solution to stopping smoking. Do this, and they WILL be sorry. This is not a threat it is a promise, DO NOT MESS WITH THOSE THAT FEED, CLOTHE AND KEEP YOUR BELLIES FULL.

 

[Vape SA]

Hi Guys,

Its a pity that my first post on this forum is about the subject I hate most. Vape Politics. Now Im not sure If I can speak for all the vendors and vapers on this forum but we are inevitably faced with a double edged sword.

Us as vapers are starting a noticeable movement towards an "ecig norm", I remember about 2 years ago when I started vaping with my "cig a like" the looks I got, now I still get them when I run around with my VTR, but I see more and more vapers everyday and now when you say its an electronic cigarette people aren't shocked anymore they say oh I have heard of those.

This is a good thing, that means us as vendors and us as vapers are getting the word out vaping works and makes a difference. Problem time....

If this doesn't get taken up on the right time, on the right platform we will be introducing sin taxes onto all vaping products, and that's one of the better case scenarios.

The genuinely unfair part about all of this is that we will need to defend the vaping benefits, every single one of us has experienced, to an overpaid official who has probably never smoked a cigarette in their lives and if it goes any further, will depend on their decision.

At the end of the day. Right now is the time to start preparing. The inevitable is coming, we just need to be ready to bombard back at the right time.

 

[Andre]

Hi Guys,

Its a pity that my first post on this forum is about the subject I hate most. Vape Politics. Now Im not sure If I can speak for all the vendors and vapers on this forum but we are inevitably faced with a double edge sword.

Us as vapers are starting a noticeable movement towards an "ecig norm" I remember about 2 years ago when I started vaping with my "cig a like" the looks I got, now I still get them when I run around with my VTR, but I see more and more vapers everyday and now when you say its an electronic cigarette people arent shocked anymore they say oh I have heard of those.

This is a good thing, that means us as vendors and us as vapers are getting the word out vapimg works and makes a difference. Problem time....

If this doesnt get taken up on the right time, on the right platform we will be introducing sin taxes onto all vaping products, and thats one of the better case scenarios.

The genuinely unfair part about all of this is that we will need to defend the vaping benefits every single one of us has experienced to an overpaid official who has probably never smoked a cigarette in their lives and if it goes any further, will depend on their decision.

At the end of the day. Right now is the time to start preparing. The inevitable is coming, we just need to be ready to bombard back at the right time.

There was a thread on some peeps starting a concerted effort, but cannot find it now. Thought it was on the Vapeking forum.

 

[Vape SA]

There was a thread on some peeps starting a concerted effort, but cannot find it now. Thought it was on the Vapeking forum.

Thanks. We are definitely keen on adding anything from our side if at all possible. @Gizmo, welcome to mail me with the info.

 

[Silver]

Welcome to the forum @Vape SA !
Glad you got sorted out with your application process
I agree with your comments.

For the benefit of other members and when you get a chance if you havent done so already, please go introduce yourself in the "introduce yourselves" thread under the "newbies corner" section.

 

[Reinvanhardt]

Welcome to the forum @Vape SA. We hope to see plenty of you in the future

 

[Riaz]

thank the Lord for skyblue for bringing in tons of nic

now none of us have to worry about this

 

[Just B]

This is just my opinion.

Mother Theresa said "I will not march against war but I will march for peace". Tremendous amount of wisdom in those words. We as vendors and vapours need to take action now before the uninformed take action for us. Our government is what it is, but right now I feel we need to approach the powers that be with our suggestions and solutions. Let's be proactive on this one and be part of the solution and not part of the problem. Let's change ideas, change minds and change perceptions.

I am sure there are many educated and professional people who are part of this very forum who could be key players in diplomatically presenting our suggestions or proposals to those who are in the position to make the relevant decisions.

I think we all agree laws, rules and regulations are definitely important to our well being and society, so let's work with them and not wait until the law is passed where we have to work against it and fight for what we perceive as our God given rights.

 

[crack2483]

Well, we have radio celebrities and tv celebrities too

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[Just B]

I just feel we have to change views and perceptions. Ignorance is a terrible thing and one that only induces incorrect assumptions and opinions. For example I would ban Ritalin and Prozac and any other drugs as I think they are all terribly wrong BUT I have never ever had to rely on them. I am sure if I had had a need for them, my views would be quite different.

Let's move away from being associated with "smokers". We do not fall under the same banner. We are Vapers and stand tall and proud. We are part of a healthy way of living and that is what we need people to see and associate with what we do, and we need to do this through every means possible - radio, TV, printed media etc.