Who is the Culprit

[Nicholas]

So i mixed up a juice that goes a little something like this

TFA strawberry ripe 3%
TFA Bavarian Cream 2%
TFA Vanilla Custard 2%
TFA Banana Cream 1%
INW Biscuit 1%
FA Joy 1%

what i was going for was a creamy strawberries and banana pudding with a bit of bakery in it. what i got was a muted inhale of cream and a disgusting exhale of something that can only be compared to freshly cut grass and seaweed.

what puzzles me is that the juice smells exactly how i thought it would and if i take a deep slow inhale and hold it and exhale really slowly i do taste a tiny hint of sweet biscuit.

it has steeped for 5 days so far and i've been trying it everyday praying it gets better but i just dont understand why its so bad. im pretty sure it was because i had just watched wayne talk about flavour layering and i was like damn i can do that

but yeah any ideas?

 

[stevie g]

2 weeks steeper on this one due to the custard and cream.

Trust me I know. Spent all of October playing with custard.

Without steeping custard is flat, bland and leaves a dry powder sensation on the tongue.
These sensations pass once it has had time to thoroughly dissolve into the base.

 

[Soutie]

The FA Joy is the one that jumps out at me straight away. Some people complain about a 'stale beer' or 'sweat' note they pick up in it. Maybe try the joy alone at 1-2% and check if you aren't particularly sensitive to it.

 

[Imtiaaz]

The FA Joy is the one that jumps out at me straight away. Some people complain about a 'stale beer' or 'sweat' note they pick up in it. Maybe try the joy alone at 1-2% and check if you aren't particularly sensitive to it.

I agree, Joy is extremely odd tasting and can easily dominate a recipe with a weird flavor. When it works, it works well, like in bronuts and funfetti, but they are usually around the 0.75% mark at most. I am almost certain the recipe will 10 times better without the joy. It is usually used to give a fresh doughy taste and I do think that is clashing with the creams and fruits.

 

[NewOobY]

agreed about Joy with @Soutie , but also I think the strawberry will fade with a longer steep - maybe add 1% tfa strawberry to up the strawberry taste a bit.

 

[Imtiaaz]

The below is an awesome tasting strawberry:

SRipe TFA 4%
Sweet Strawberry CAP 4%

 

[Nicholas]

Thank you all so much, i had a little suspicion it could be the joy, @Soutie i think i should definitely try it as a single, i never really thought of that especially because when i read the notes on it i was convinced i'd know what to do with it, obviously not ... will give it a shot... @NewOobY what do you think of putting some sweet strawberry CAP with the ripe in this recipe to up the strawberry ,

also im going to give it 2 weeks to settle the custard and then report back if anything changes, and try another batch without the joy aswell

 

[RichJB]

Wayne was asked to describe Joy and he said "Joy... f@cks sh!t up". Although considering he uses it, that is maybe a slight exaggeration. I suppose one needs to go light on it, though, and know what it brings to the recipe so that you can balance it.

A second strawberry, or a mild addition of EM or sweetener, will help to stop the Ripe fading so fast.

I got inspired by this and mixed up Ripe, Cap Sweet Strawb, FA Custard, Cap VBIC, FA Banana, FA Cookie, Loc Shortbread and a dash of EM. I used FA Custard instead of Cap VC because the Shortbread is heavy on vanilla. It doesn't taste vile fresh but custards and creams do need a steep so I'll wait for that. I don't think your initial mix should have tasted bad, @Nicholas, I must concur that it was probably the Joy.

 

[Soutie]

Thank you all so much, i had a little suspicion it could be the joy, @Soutie i think i should definitely try it as a single, i never really thought of that especially because when i read the notes on it i was convinced i'd know what to do with it, obviously not ... will give it a shot... @NewOobY what do you think of putting some sweet strawberry CAP with the ripe in this recipe to up the strawberry ,

also im going to give it 2 weeks to settle the custard and then report back if anything changes, and try another batch without the joy aswell

@NewOobY is spot on, that ripe is going to fade quicker than vanilla ice's career and At 3% I doubt you would get anything other than the EM anyway.

when it comes to custards I don't like to use ripe at all due to the fading in a steep. I rather prefer to go with predominantly CAP sweet strawberry as custards just do really well after looooooooooong steeps, the longer the better. Throw it in a cupboard and forget about it until around mid next year sometime.

 

[RichJB]

JF Strawberry Sweet is apparently good, I'm looking forward to that.

 

[Lord Vetinari]

It is JOY.... EWWWW. Replace Joy with Sugar Cookie or similar rather but Joy has ruined too many a juice of mine. Keep away.

 

[Nicholas]

Wayne was asked to describe Joy and he said "Joy... f@cks sh!t up". Although considering he uses it, that is maybe a slight exaggeration. I suppose one needs to go light on it, though, and know what it brings to the recipe so that you can balance it.

A second strawberry, or a mild addition of EM or sweetener, will help to stop the Ripe fading so fast.

I got inspired by this and mixed up Ripe, Cap Sweet Strawb, FA Custard, Cap VBIC, FA Banana, FA Cookie, Loc Shortbread and a dash of EM. I used FA Custard instead of Cap VC because the Shortbread is heavy on vanilla. It doesn't taste vile fresh but custards and creams do need a steep so I'll wait for that. I don't think your initial mix should have tasted bad, @Nicholas, I must concur that it was probably the Joy.

Thanks man, yeah i really hoped the Joy would bring some doughy bakeryness to the flavour but will definitely try it without on the next batch, also have you ever used a cake batter flavour and if so what are your thoughts on that

 

[RichJB]

I haven't used any batters yet. I have FW Cake Batter Dip coming with my next order because I want to try Manson's Birthday Cake. I must confess, I was sold on the picture rather than any reviews of the flavour. I have an extraordinary fondness for eating cake batter whenever I bake. The idea of having a cake batter dip with animal crackers sold me right away. Although it's FW so, as Skiddlz says, it probably has asbestos or something in it.

 

[Greyz]

I dunno about others but I can't taste strawberry Ripe much at all if I use it under 4%.
First thing I'd do is drop the Joy, as others have mentioned and give the custards time to develop with a nice long steep. You might want to add another strawberry like @Imtiaaz has suggested (I love that combo of CAP Sweet and TFA Ripe!) this will give the Strawberry Ripe so longevity else after 3 weeks it would have faded away just when your custard is starting to shine.

 

[Andre]

I dunno about others but I can't taste strawberry Ripe much at all if I use it under 4%.
First thing I'd do is drop the Joy, as others have mentioned and give the custards time to develop with a nice long steep. You might want to add another strawberry like @Imtiaaz has suggested (I love that combo of CAP Sweet and TFA Ripe!) this will give the Strawberry Ripe so longevity else after 3 weeks it would have faded away just when your custard is starting to shine.

Many believe adding TFA Dragonfruit at 1 % also helps.

 

[TommyL]

I haven't used any batters yet. I have FW Cake Batter Dip coming with my next order because I want to try Manson's Birthday Cake. I must confess, I was sold on the picture rather than any reviews of the flavour. I have an extraordinary fondness for eating cake batter whenever I bake. The idea of having a cake batter dip with animal crackers sold me right away. Although it's FW so, as Skiddlz says, it probably has asbestos or something in it.

That birthday cake is a really good vape! I love it

 

[Greyz]

Many believe adding TFA Dragonfruit at 1 % also helps.

Thanks for the tip @Andre - I will definitely test that out

 

[Nicholas]

Many believe adding TFA Dragonfruit at 1 % also helps.

will definitely try this

 

[Nicholas]

Ok Guys so i mixed up some of notcharlesmansons birthday cake and it seems that the INW biscuit is the culprit, im getting that same weird taste coming through even at .5%...

do you think mine has gone off? or is there anyone else that gets a weird taste from INW biscuit

 

[NewOobY]

Dude @Nicholas , I doubt INW Biscuit will go off - the taste of it is weird. It's not a sweet taste like FA Cookie or CAP Sugar Cookie for that matter - it is different, to me it is kinda cheesecake crust type taste if that makes sense.

 

[incredible_hullk]

They should replace name FA Joy to FA NoJoy...hate the proverbial out of it...tried once and then had a ceremony and chucked it in the bin..too scared to set it alight which was plan A

 

[Nicholas]

Dude @Nicholas , I doubt INW Biscuit will go off - the taste of it is weird. It's not a sweet taste like FA Cookie or CAP Sugar Cookie for that matter - it is different, to me it is kinda cheesecake crust type taste if that makes sense.

hey man thanks for the quick response....i havent vaped the biscuit as a single as yet im going to try this tonight and see if im getting that weird taste, what % do you recommend i try it at ?

 

[Nicholas]

They should replace name FA Joy to FA NoJoy...hate the proverbial out of it...tried once and then had a ceremony and chucked it in the bin..too scared to set it alight which was plan A

LOL... i still kept my horrible mix, im going to leave it on a table at the vape meet on saturday and maybe someone will pick it up and try vape it.

 

[NewOobY]

hey man thanks for the quick response....i havent vaped the biscuit as a single as yet im going to try this tonight and see if im getting that weird taste, what % do you recommend i try it at ?

Damn son, I don't think that will taste nice at all - make 3ml only, cause I don't like it solo. I'd suggest 2% but damn good luck man, you gonna get a Dry Hit face from it

 

[Nicholas]

Damn son, I don't think that will taste nice at all - make 3ml only, cause I don't like it solo. I'd suggest 2% but damn good luck man, you gonna get a Dry Hit face from it

LOL... please dont say that lol.... i fear that more than death ... yeah im going to mix up a tiny amount just to see what taste i get