Wotofo Serpent Mini 25mm

[Kalashnikov]

Caw-Caw... I mean Craw-Craw @Rob Fisher.

Something about your hawking the SM25 as your all time favorite tank has stuck in my craw from the start, but I didn't know why. Then it finally dawned on me why it did.

In some ways you are not like many of us other flavor chasers. You're more of a one ADV joose vaper when some of us use many different ADV's in rotation all the time in different combinations. So you base your opinion on that one joose that you vape everyday and know very well more often than not - XXX, when I base mine on all the different ADV's I also know very well that I use in rotations almost every day. Finding an atty and build for it that works well with one ADV is far easier than finding an atty and build that works well with many different ADV's.

I learned XXX quite well from that 100ml bottle of it that I used from when fresh to naturally aged for around 3 months. And I found the builds it liked in many atty's with far different demands but not just one build that was acceptable in all of them or just one atty that was stand alone better than all the rest I tried it in. I don't have any XXX to try in the SM25, but do know that finding a build it excelled with in that atty would not be hard.

That said what I am getting flavor wise out of the SM25 is in fact quite good. But it still does not deliver that extra factor that I get in the Avocado's with all my ADV's that I don't get in any other atty with them. To me the Avo's are unique in that regard because they deliver bold flavor with any of my ADV's using similar builds. That kind of shoots my "build for the joose and the atty it will be ran in" normal method of operation in the foot some when the atty actually has more effect on the outcome than the build does. Maybe just the positive vibes I have about that atty playing games with my mind. But I do also like the Avo's basic design type tanks better than the chimney tanks, so maybe that's part of it.

Anyway, SM25 #2 was delivered to my mail place late yesterday afternoon (Thursday), but I can't go pick it up or even retrieve my vehicle that is parked far away until sometime Saturday morning. They started repairing and seal coating the roads where I live yesterday that even cut off foot traffic. So I am a prisoner on the small isolated island that my bungalow is built on until they reopen the roads Saturday morning. I'm going to try one of my Avo builds in it, see if it will do multiple ADV's well in it like on the Avo's.

Are you running single coil in your avos?

 

[Rob Fisher]

100% @Spydro! Testing some other juices I bought from the UK recently highlights the issue...

The fact is XXX is brilliant in ceramic coiled tanks and the Serpent Mini 25. What it battles in is a regulated squonker and all the atties I have tried. For some reason it just doesn't work that well in any of the atties I've tried other than the Petri BF Dripper... I can't quite work out why... I have been fighting with the OL16 that everyone raves about and I just don't get it... but I'm going to do a rebuild and try one of my other juices like Milky Way or Slug Juice in it.

I love my Avo 24 and agree it is awesome flavour... however I find the wicking a pain because I feel I need to rewick everyday with it and the juice capacity is really lousy...

 

[Metal Liz]

Also am thoroughly enjoying the 25. If there is one thing noticed having 2*22mm. The flavour is not as great as the smaller ones. Still great flavour but i do think those tiny ones are flavour gems. I have the same build running accross all 3 of my serpents(22s and 25).

However i have stopped using the smaller ones since the 25.
Over all the 25 is great tank. The little changes have made it. More airflow.. The ring around the wicks to hold down the wicks. This really helps with someone like me who opens a tank every 5minutes because i ocd if i start seeing a wick start browning. With the 22 the wicks would move when you open it.
That juice fill channel is just massive.

Excellent all rounder daily tank

As it almost always seem, i'm one step behind again haha, just ordered a Serpent Mini 22mm from Vape Club today as the second hand Griffin i'm using fell and it's now scew and leaking like a bugger! So i went in search and found it at a great price from them, so i pulled the order trigger not coming onto the forum first for guidance thanks to a busy working day... But now i'm very nervous that i bought a crappy tank...

Please tell me i didn't just mess up...

BTW, i will be running it on a Evic VTC Mini...

 

[Anneries]

@Metal Liz did you get the Serpent mini 22mm? Then NO, you did not get a crappy tank. Have tested a couple of tanks, including my wife's Serpent Mini 22. And it is a GREAT tank.
Easy to build on, really nice flavor decent clouds and she is still running it off her iJust 2.

ENJOY the tank!

 

[Metal Liz]

@Metal Liz did you get the Serpent mini 22mm? Then NO, you did not get a crappy tank. Have tested a couple of tanks, including my wife's Serpent Mini 22. And it is a GREAT tank.
Easy to build on, really nice flavor decent clouds and she is still running it off her iJust 2.

ENJOY the tank!

Yup i did order the 22mm Serpent mini Thank you so much for your feedback! Makes me feel a LOT better and looking forward to getting my vapemail again next week

 

[Kalashnikov]

Yup i did order the 22mm Serpent mini Thank you so much for your feedback! Makes me feel a LOT better and looking forward to getting my vapemail again next week

I have 2 of them and im still using them. They are great!!

 

[Spydro]

Are you running single coil in your avos?

In a word no. I tried a single in one of the Avo G's early on and it did just fine with it. But I'm more a dual coil vaper for my long lung hits. So if an atty can run dual (quad, etc) that's what I run usually in them instead of single builds. An exception is when I use high center parallel builds is certain atty's sometimes.

 

[KZOR]

With all this hype I am convinced. Will order the 25mm Serpent mini.
Cannot go wrong with sooooooo many positive experiences/responses on the forum.

 

[Spydro]

100% @Spydro! Testing some other juices I bought from the UK recently highlights the issue...

The fact is XXX is brilliant in ceramic coiled tanks and the Serpent Mini 25. What it battles in is a regulated squonker and all the atties I have tried. For some reason it just doesn't work that well in any of the atties I've tried other than the Petri BF Dripper... I can't quite work out why... I have been fighting with the OL16 that everyone raves about and I just don't get it... but I'm going to do a rebuild and try one of my other juices like Milky Way or Slug Juice in it.

I love my Avo 24 and agree it is awesome flavour... however I find the wicking a pain because I feel I need to rewick everyday with it and the juice capacity is really lousy...

Hmmm. While my experience with XXX pails in comparison to yours brother, I found it brilliant in any atty with the right build for it in that atty. I guess the difference being that what I lacked in experience with XXX itself I could more than make up for by knowing the atty's themselves very well and what in general would be a good starting build in them for that joose for my tatses. IOW, knowing a joose very well and knowing an atty very well that you will run it in can always be a winner.

I don't have any regulated squonkers, but don't see them as being any different that any other regulated mod other than what the atty's you had available for them might be. IOW in general... just bf'd RDA's that you might use the same builds in for starters as you would in same or similar RDA's on a mech mod, then use the regulated ability to tweak the build from there. I see the O-16 as one of the easiest atty's there is to get exceptional flavor from despite the slightly restricted lung hits I get with it. So I only use my 4 O-16's with dual's and the AFC's wide open. Taste is subjective so I usually don't get too specific about the builds that work for me that may not work for anyone else. I used the .9Ω cCell as the baseline for XXX because it was brilliant with it. But for an O-16 on a Reo P67 a dual KA1 27 2.5mm @ .6Ω so at about the same 30W the XXX was a nice vape. That .6Ω build is the highest Ω build I have in any of my O-16's though. Take note that fruit and menthol are not things that I would normally vape at all, so what was a nice XXX vape for me with this particular gear (or any other gear) might only work for me with it. The builds I did for XXX on some other gear were more robust and intense because they were what worked for me on that gear.

I have never rewicked any atty every day despite my long, slow and so demanding lung hits. By far the majority of my cotton builds with most liquids last for a long time with no muss or fuss at all. Some of that because I dedicate the joose to them that the build was made for, some because I learn what for my uses are my builds for the joose/gear. Even the worst can last for days or more, those being the ones running NET's, some NEF's or any other coil gunker joose (like sweet vapes that I don't run often). Some of that longevity because I don't run a specific mod/atty setup all day/night long day after day, but rather rotate several setups together and change which setups are in a rotation up to 3-4 times a day/night. That includes all of my Avo's, the wicks in them last a very long time despite those builds being some of the most thirsty dual builds I use on the TC mods. Maybe because I'm less picky than you, or maybe because I match the builds to the joose better for the wattage I run them at. For me the never ending learning experience was part of the draw to vaping.

 

[Rob Fisher]

Thanks @Spydro! I will persevere with the OL16 and XXX but I just need to sit down and dedicate some time to it... I have just had new toys of late and keep playing with them and also trying to keep up with the red dot on the forum...

And then today my GoPro Hero 5 Black arrived! Rob's Ramblings can go mobile now. So that is more to play with...

Thank Heavens for the Serpent Mini 25's and XXX because they are just rocking and rolling while I stuff around with everything else and other juices... I still have a heap of new juices I picked up at VapeCon and now tomorrow there is another juice launch in Durban (well there are actually two but I'm only gonna get to one)... it's just as well I am retired and a professional vaper... no sure how normal people keep up... actually that was a bit of a lie because professional would mean I make a living from it... and nothing could be further than the truth.. it is just a little more costly than smoking.

PS That last statement was the understatement of the year!

 

[Silver]

Thanks @Spydro! I will persevere with the OL16 and XXX but I just need to sit down and dedicate some time to it... I have just had new toys of late and keep playing with them and also trying to keep up with the red dot on the forum...

And then today my GoPro Hero 5 Black arrived! Rob's Ramblings can go mobile now. So that is more to play with...

Thank Heavens for the Serpent Mini 25's and XXX because they are just rocking and rolling while I stuff around with everything else and other juices... I still have a heap of new juices I picked up at VapeCon and now tomorrow there is another juice launch in Durban (well there are actually two but I'm only gonna get to one)... it's just as well I am retired and a professional vaper... no sure how normal people keep up... actually that was a bit of a lie because professional would mean I make a living from it... and nothing could be further than the truth.. it is just a little more costly than smoking.

PS That last statement was the understatement of the year!

@Rob Fisher , you are the king of vaping!

You have tried more setups and juices than most and your feedback on it all is not only invaluable but its so entertaining!

We are all very lucky to have you on here as a retired vaper with an insatiable desire to try every vaping device on the planet!

Am glad to hear about the Go Pro! That is so exciting! I can just imagine whats coming on that front !

PS - my insanely beautiful Abalone Hotcig150 and Serpent Mini 25 is rocking and rolling in my vape cave too! You called that combo for me like a champ - thanks Rob

 

[Rob Fisher]

PS - my insanely beautiful Abalone Hotcig150 and Serpent Mini 25 is rocking and rolling in my vape cave too! You called that combo for me like a champ - thanks Rob

Hi Ho @Silver that is still one of my favourite mods... great mod that looks stunning!

 

[Silver]

Hi Ho @Silver that is still one of my favourite mods... great mod that looks stunning!

I love that little excited banana smiley icon!
You use it so often, but every time it just cracks me up. I can imagine you sitting there with the hotcig150 going "yeah baby!"

 

[Rob Fisher]

I love that little excited banana smiley icon!
You use it so often, but every time it just cracks me up. I can imagine you sitting there with the hotcig150 going "yeah baby!"

100% The Safe my Mate Banana is me to a T!

 

[Spydro]

Second SM25 on line with first. The big dual 24N80 build is not as good as I had hoped it would be for the joose. But the build wicking I did a different way without grooming the wicks is working fine.

 

[Daniel]

Howdy doods , this seems like a lakker tank , and after a looong absence might be purchasing one of these bad boys (or 2nd hand if anyone is selling )

 

[SpiralSequence]

I got mine last week Thursday and after wicking it about 5 times trying all sort of different wicking methods I keep getting dry hits.

It runs perfectly for a day then it starts getting dry hits if I semi chain vape. Could it be the cotton I am using?

Last night I thought I had success this time round but now its slowly but surely dry hitting.

Any advice will be appreciated.

 

[PuffingCrow]

@SpiralSequence I am having same problem from your pics i would suggest, make your cotton i little bit tighter in the coil and bit long in juice well only a little bit its a very fine balance, also fan the cotton out with tweezers or a needle and the stick it in the juice wells make it fluffy. I use cotton bacon i find it wicks way better than jap cotton

 

[greybush]

Check that the coil is properly fastened too and that you don't have hotspots.

I trim my wick pretty short so it justs gets held by the clamping ring.

Separate issue I'm finding is if I use bigger coils I get a lot of spit back, I crank it up to like 50w and it goes away eventually but until that time it's unpleasant. If I use 2.5 coil then it's hundreds and I drop to like 30w.

 

[SpiralSequence]

I tried a 2.5mm coil yesterday and was not very happy performance wise. It seems the emptier the tank gets the less it wicks.

Mine is also just touching the ring. Had to learn that with the Griffin.

Maybe this tank is just not meant to be chain vaped. Or like I said that my cotton is not wicking that well with this tank. I might have to get some bacon to see if that helps.

 

[Kalashnikov]

I tried a 2.5mm coil yesterday and was not very happy performance wise. It seems the emptier the tank gets the less it wicks.

Mine is also just touching the ring. Had to learn that with the Griffin.

Maybe this tank is just not meant to be chain vaped. Or like I said that my cotton is not wicking that well with this tank. I might have to get some bacon to see if that helps.

I added you into my post about wicking. If you didnt get it. check page 4 on this thread

 

[Scissorhands]

I got mine last week Thursday and after wicking it about 5 times trying all sort of different wicking methods I keep getting dry hits.

It runs perfectly for a day then it starts getting dry hits if I semi chain vape. Could it be the cotton I am using?

Last night I thought I had success this time round but now its slowly but surely dry hitting.

Any advice will be appreciated.

I apologise for the "on the go" pics, I hope they help somewhat, i use the "Scottish roll" method, snug but not tight, then "comb out" about 30 - 35% of the wick leads (very airy) some cotton about 1mm into the juice well and the rest sits on the deck, no leaks or dry hits. Iv tried 4mm id coils but they restrict airflow, 3.5 works perfectly

 

[SpiralSequence]

Thanks guys. Will give the Scottish Roll a run.

 

[Yagya]

Just got my baby today and i must admit..u haven't been impressed like this in a while..
I build the standard dual comp coils with Zodiac VCF and the flavour is so intense like i never tasted before.
Thanks uncle @Rob Fisher for the great reviews and also the FOMO

 

[Rob Fisher]

Just got my baby today and i must admit..u haven't been impressed like this in a while..
I build the standard dual comp coils with Zodiac VCF and the flavour is so intense like i never tasted before.
Thanks uncle @Rob Fisher for the great reviews and also the FOMO

Only a pleasure @Yagya! Always happy to hear someone else that get's what I get from a special tank! I never thought I would use anything other than cCell ceramic coils... that was until @BigGuy did a build for me on a tank I liked the look of!