Calling all DIY'ers

[Soutie]

It surprises me how little FA concentrates get used. We've had the "how to make top-rated juices as a n00b" thread in the last few days and I looked through their recipes. It's TFA for days, quite a bit of Cap, not very much FA or Inw at all. I can understand the Inw as not that many vendors stock the full line and it's quite pricey. But I'd have thought that DIYers globally would be on FA like a cheap suit.

It's cause of the yanks, TFA and capella are both US companies while FA is Italian. The DIY scene is huge in the states and that's where a lot of the recipies come from. I guess the concentrates are easier for them to come by.

There are some FA concentrates that are unbeatable and I reckon they are better than TFA overall. FA Fresh Cream is one of the best creams, better than any TFA has. FA coconut is much better than TFA suntan lotion. Fruits pretty much trump all the TFA fruits. The list is pretty much endless.

 

[moonunit]

Also very little mention of FW, some of the concentrates are potent but very good.


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[RichJB]

I asked this on the vendor thread as well but this is probably a better thread as more people will read it here. E-liquid Concentrates just got in a bunch of FA flavours including things like Ozone, Dusk, Royal, Reggae Night and Jamaica Special. I thought "whoa, new FA flavours, I've never seen these before" and rushed off excitedly to see if there were any flavour notes at reddit or e-liquid recipes or wherever. To my surprise, the flavour notes I found were from 2012-13, and some were not very complimentary. Has anybody tried any of these flavours? Any time a FA flavour doesn't make it into HIC's notes, I become wary.

 

[rogue zombie]

I asked this on the vendor thread as well but this is probably a better thread as more people will read it here. E-liquid Concentrates just got in a bunch of FA flavours including things like Ozone, Dusk, Royal, Reggae Night and Jamaica Special. I thought "whoa, new FA flavours, I've never seen these before" and rushed off excitedly to see if there were any flavour notes at reddit or e-liquid recipes or wherever. To my surprise, the flavour notes I found were from 2012-13, and some were not very complimentary. Has anybody tried any of these flavours? Any time a FA flavour doesn't make it into HIC's notes, I become wary.

I have not, unfortunately.

I believe HICs FA notes were done when FA first started getting noticed, and therefore its the primary flavours.

Then FA released a whole bunch of new lines. And unfortunately, as mentioned in another thread, people have been less forthcoming with sharing info.

I noticed when DIY exploded on the scene - basically when *all* US juices became "premium" and prices accordingly - DIY info was everywhere, but started drying up going forward.

I religiously use www.e-liquid-recipes.com/flavors and read through the notes, to try get a feel for a flavour. But of coarse the people's views are all over the show, so you have to take that info loosely.

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[rogue zombie]

Theres also a ton of info on Reddit https://w3.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/new

Read the sidebar - theres plenty reviews on concentrates there now. And its more up to date info.

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[Feliks Karp]

Looking for a suggestion for a coconut comcentrate, something inbetween coconut milk and coconut flavour in a bounty chocolate?

Please and thanks.

 

[RichJB]

The problem is that these flavours were all released long before HIC's notes. For example, HIC has notes on Euphoria, Joy, Oba Oba etc which are all relatively recent releases. Royal, as one example from the "new" flavours, was around in 2012. Here is a forum thread on it which doesn't say much. So we have an initial forum post on Royal from 2012, almost nothing at E-liquid Recipes, I have never seen it at a vendor, nothing in HIC's notes, now suddenly it pops up again??

Reggae night was also around in 2012. Again, very little at E-liquid Recipes and nothing from HIC.

 

[Patrick]

Looking for a suggestion for a coconut comcentrate, something inbetween coconut milk and coconut flavour in a bounty chocolate?

Please and thanks.

FLV Chocolate Deutsch.


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[rogue zombie]

The problem is that these flavours were all released long before HIC's notes. For example, HIC has notes on Euphoria, Joy, Oba Oba etc which are all relatively recent releases. Royal, as one example from the "new" flavours, was around in 2012. Here is a forum thread on it which doesn't say much. So we have an initial forum post on Royal from 2012, almost nothing at E-liquid Recipes, I have never seen it at a vendor, nothing in HIC's notes, now suddenly it pops up again??

Reggae night was also around in 2012. Again, very little at E-liquid Recipes and nothing from HIC.

Oh really. I thought those were newer flavours.

Then maybe theyre just not that great



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[Andre]

I asked this on the vendor thread as well but this is probably a better thread as more people will read it here. E-liquid Concentrates just got in a bunch of FA flavours including things like Ozone, Dusk, Royal, Reggae Night and Jamaica Special. I thought "whoa, new FA flavours, I've never seen these before" and rushed off excitedly to see if there were any flavour notes at reddit or e-liquid recipes or wherever. To my surprise, the flavour notes I found were from 2012-13, and some were not very complimentary. Has anybody tried any of these flavours? Any time a FA flavour doesn't make it into HIC's notes, I become wary.

Jamaica Special is Jamaican Rum in HIC's notes.

 

[RichJB]

Thanks @Andre. Do you know anything about the tobacco flavours? When a FA tobacco has been out for more than four years, has attracted almost no discussion/interest on reddit or E-liquid Recipes and is not mentioned in HIC's notes, I'm a bit wary about adding it to my basket. I thought initially that FA might have tweaked or re-launched the flavours but I can't find anything to that effect. These seem to be the original flavours that didn't exactly take the DIY world by storm.

 

[Andre]

Thanks @Andre. Do you know anything about the tobacco flavours? When a FA tobacco has been out for more than four years, has attracted almost no discussion/interest on reddit or E-liquid Recipes and is not mentioned in HIC's notes, I'm a bit wary about adding it to my basket. I thought initially that FA might have tweaked or re-launched the flavours but I can't find anything to that effect. These seem to be the original flavours that didn't exactly take the DIY world by storm.

I know no more than you, and agree with you assessment. So, buy some and make something new and wonderful!

 

[RichJB]

I'm too chicken to try new and untested flavours. I'm pretty sure that @GregF will have a go.

Apparently Reggae Night makes your juice turn blue.

The FA description:

The funniest flavor of all !!!

Is that their way of saying that peeps giggle a lot while vaping it then get the munchies?

 

[method1]

Thanks @Andre. Do you know anything about the tobacco flavours? When a FA tobacco has been out for more than four years, has attracted almost no discussion/interest on reddit or E-liquid Recipes and is not mentioned in HIC's notes, I'm a bit wary about adding it to my basket. I thought initially that FA might have tweaked or re-launched the flavours but I can't find anything to that effect. These seem to be the original flavours that didn't exactly take the DIY world by storm.

Well not everything from FA is a winner, for my taste, several of their flavours have better counterparts from other companies.

And even when it comes to notes, they're not always useful because taste is so subjective, I've mentioned before that I find a lot of HIC's notes to be inaccurate (for my tastes)

There are a lot of "obscure" flavours from nearly all the flavour houses that aren't well documented, including some amazing gems from companies you almost never hear about. So un/fortunately the only way to know for sure is to try for yourself

If you don't already have it, latest version of HIC's notes can be found here: http://www.hicsmixes.com/notes-etc.html

 

[Andre]

Well not everything from FA is a winner, for my taste, several of their flavours have better counterparts from other companies.

And even when it comes to notes, they're not always useful because taste is so subjective, I've mentioned before that I find a lot of HIC's notes to be inaccurate (for my tastes)

There are a lot of "obscure" flavours from nearly all the flavour houses that aren't well documented, including some amazing gems from companies you almost never hear about. So un/fortunately the only way to know for sure is to try for yourself

If you don't already have it, latest version of HIC's notes can be found here: http://www.hicsmixes.com/notes-etc.html

We need method1's notes on concentrates (all brands)! With ratings!

 

[method1]

We need method1's notes on concentrates (all brands)! With ratings!

@rogue zombie actually started some threads like this, need to get more people to participate for sure!

 

[method1]

DIYers be like:

 

[GregF]

I'm too chicken to try new and untested flavours. I'm pretty sure that @GregF will have a go.

Apparently Reggae Night makes your juice turn blue.

The FA description:



Is that their way of saying that peeps giggle a lot while vaping it then get the munchies?

I just bought a whole lot of INW tobaccos to play with so don't think I will be getting any new FA shortly.


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[Quakes]

Good day guys...

Hope you all doing good this morning.

I would like to get some advice about DIY juice.
I'm going to buy my first PG, VG, Nic and flavour next month from Clyrolinx.

I'm still doing some homework and playing with calculators. I managed to get 3mg nic juice calculated, but where my problem is, is that I also want to make juice for some of my family members, they use twisp\Evolution vape Jetstream devices, all the small round toys...

I read up that the evo juice (That they currently use) is 50\50 VG\PG, but they us 12mg and 18mg Nic.
When I calculate a mix with 18mg nic, the calculator tells me: "This mix is not feasible".

In calculator my input is as follows:

Batch size: 100ml
Nic strenth: 36mg - VG based
Target nic: 18mg
Target VG/PG: 50/50
Flavour: 4% (Making single flavour)

Claculator Mixing: How to make:
Nic: 50ml
flavour: 4ml
VG: 0.9ml
PG: 45.1ml

Is the above correct? Am I doing something wrong? Is there something I don't understand?
Hope all is clear.
(Please note that this is my FIRST time I will be making juice)

 

[Andre]

@Quakes - Should not be a problem, unless your concentrate is marked as VG based. Should be 50 ml of VG Nic, 46 ml of PG and 4 ml of concentrate (PG).

Remember to shake that VG nic like there is no tomorrow.

 

[Huffapuff]

@Quakes Your calculations like fine. At first I thought your nicotine was much too high and you were about to OD or something - then I realised that I mix 1.5mg and so my numbers look way different

If I may make a suggestion (feel free to ignore it) - rather get the more widely used concentrates like TFA, FA etc for your first order. As you're just starting out in DIY it will make it much easier if you have recipes to follow in the beginning and you'll find a tiny fraction of recipes that use clyrolinx compared to the other concentrates.

They may be a bit more expensive but you'll save in that you won't toss as many dud mixes away.

 

[Quakes]

@Quakes - Should not be a problem, unless your concentrate is marked as VG based. Should be 50 ml of VG Nic, 46 ml of PG and 4 ml of concentrate (PG).

Remember to shake that VG nic like there is no tomorrow.

Thank you Andre, The juice we buy from various shops are to thick for the devices my family members use, will a 50/50 mix be less thick or how will I be able to make it usable in the small devices? Why I ask is that we have tested our normal juice (80/20) in their devices and it doesn't wick fast enough. Lots of dry hits.

 

[Quakes]

@Quakes Your calculations like fine. At first I thought your nicotine was much too high and you were about to OD or something - then I realised that I mix 1.5mg and so my numbers look way different

If I may make a suggestion (feel free to ignore it) - rather get the more widely used concentrates like TFA, FA etc for your first order. As you're just starting out in DIY it will make it much easier if you have recipes to follow in the beginning and you'll find a tiny fraction of recipes that use clyrolinx compared to the other concentrates.

They may be a bit more expensive but you'll save in that you won't toss as many dud mixes away.

Thanks, Huffapuff. I will look into TFA and FA.

 

[Quakes]

@Quakes Your calculations like fine. At first I thought your nicotine was much too high and you were about to OD or something - then I realised that I mix 1.5mg and so my numbers look way different

If I may make a suggestion (feel free to ignore it) - rather get the more widely used concentrates like TFA, FA etc for your first order. As you're just starting out in DIY it will make it much easier if you have recipes to follow in the beginning and you'll find a tiny fraction of recipes that use clyrolinx compared to the other concentrates.

They may be a bit more expensive but you'll save in that you won't toss as many dud mixes away.

Sorry, may be a stupid question, but what is the difference between Clyrolinx and TFA,FA concentrates? Besides that TFA,FA is international (If I have that correct)

 

[Andre]

Thank you Andre, The juice we buy from various shops are to thick for the devices my family members use, will a 50/50 mix be less thick or how will I be able to make it usable in the small devices? Why I ask is that we have tested our normal juice (80/20) in their devices and it doesn't wick fast enough. Lots of dry hits.

Yip, 50/50 is the way to go for those devices. I agree with @Huffapuff - if you are prepared to do a lot of experimentation then get those flavours. If you want good juices from the get go, identify some recipes that suit the various taste buds and get those ingredients.